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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 12, 2006 12:51 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jeaton

So the Montana farmers are actually financing the Chinese Army.





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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:00 PM
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So the Montana farmers are actually financing the Chinese Army.

If they stopped shipping grain on the BNSF, there would be no money to put in the Transcon, COSCO profits would drop and the Chinese Army would collapse for lack of funds. You would think that for the love of country, the farmers would stop shipping their grain.

Of course, with open access COSCO could run their own trains and cut out the middle man.


Well, since this is Murphy's topic, let's all do our best to keep this away from a pissing match.....

My post is tongue in cheek [:p] for those of you who don't know what sarcasm is.......that being said......

The point being made is that it is mostly domestic producers such as Montana grain growers) who are subjected to captive rates, while overseas importers are immune to captive rates. And since BNSF feels it is fit to take those captive profits and use them to build up the import corridors rather than the export corridors, the indirect effect is that Montana farmers who utilize BNSF are providing the necessary funds which make it easier for overseas imports to be brought into the US. COSCO is one of many container lines which thus benefit from BNSF's market skewing, and if indeed COSCO is a de facto subsidiary of the Red Chinese Army.................(feel free to connect the dots).

And under open access, COSCO would receive no further benefits since they already are the recipients of cut throat shipping rates from BNSF, et al. But the Montana farmes would receive substantial benefits since they would now have intramodal competition to bring down their shipping rates. It's basic economics of a true free enterprise system unchained from the monopolistic tendencies that sometimes occur under partial deregulation (such as Staggers).

Since most of you who are opposed to intramodal competition still can't grasp it, all we want for our domestic producers is the same competitive rates that are afforded to overseas importers. Most reasonable persons would agree that is a fair desire.

Now, if only TRAINS would take a page from the spirit of David P. Morgan and give a willing analysis of the import/export rate disparaty brought about by Staggers...........[?]
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:10 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by arbfbe

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

No wonder those drunken red neck ilks hate Montana farmers!


So I have sort of lost the connection here. Just who are you calling a drunken red neck ilk so I will know if I should feel personally offended or if I should stick up for some other group. Are you trying to pick a fight on the weekend while Bergie is away or what?


C'mon arbfbe, you know my stand on Montana farmers (and domestic producers in general) as it relates to the ongoing rate disparity. As Rush Limbaugh sometimes does, it is sometimes useful to illustrate non-sensical status quo with an absurb analogy to get the point across.

The "drunken red neck ilks" in this metaphor are those who claim patriotism, yet are themselves willing participants in disparaging the USA in their support for the anti-US rate discrimination being employed by the railroads. Admittedly, some of them probably are dumb enough to try and blame Montana farmers when and if the US gets into a military confrontation with Communist China.
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Posted by Murphy Siding on Sunday, February 12, 2006 3:40 PM
I once had an old an aunt, who had the dreadfull habit of turning every conversation to revolve and her, and her many real, and imagined health problems. Thank God,she had no interest in open access, BNSF, or Montana freight rates.

Seriously, What articles would YOU like to see in future issues of Trains Magazine?

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 12, 2006 3:55 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding

I once had an old an aunt, who had the dreadfull habit of turning every conversation to revolve and her, and her many real, and imagined health problems. Thank God,she had no interest in open access, BNSF, or Montana freight rates.

Seriously, What articles would YOU like to see in future issues of Trains Magazine?


"Now, if only TRAINS would take a page from the spirit of David P. Morgan and give a willing analysis of the import/export rate disparity brought about by Staggers..........."

That'd be a good start.
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Posted by Murphy Siding on Sunday, February 12, 2006 4:04 PM


"Now, if only TRAINS would take a page from the spirit of David P. Morgan and give a willing analysis of the import/export rate disparity brought about by Staggers..........."
That'd be a good start.

Some time back, on a different thread,you said some less-that-flattering things about DPM, and his perspective of the railroads. So you like the *spirit* of his writing, but not the *perspective*? Isn't that something like saying you like the work of Steinbeck, but don't like what he wrote?[:-,]

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 12, 2006 4:22 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding



"Now, if only TRAINS would take a page from the spirit of David P. Morgan and give a willing analysis of the import/export rate disparity brought about by Staggers..........."
That'd be a good start.

Some time back, on a different thread,you said some less-that-flattering things about DPM, and his perspective of the railroads. So you like the *spirit* of his writing, but not the *perspective*? Isn't that something like saying you like the work of Steinbeck, but don't like what he wrote?[:-,]


Let's not split hairs here, because content of writing and content of magazine submissions are two different things.

Can you tell us exactly what I said about DPM that you found so disparaging? From what I remember, Micheal Sol correctly pointed out that DPM was an excellent writer, but not any kind of expert in railroad engineering profiles. DPM's opinions on which railroads were best were based on his perspective as a railfan, not as an expert in professional engineering.

What I have said about DPM's tenure as editor of TRAINS was that I appreciated his willingness to explore topics that were taboo in the railroad culture (such as open access, wider track guage, etc.), and to bring in writers such as John G. Kneiling who regularly rocked the boat.

Can't one disagree with DPM's POV's and still find value in his oversight of TRAINS article content? Or are we all supposed to march in lock step with every thing he wrote in unquestioned obediance?
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Posted by jeaton on Sunday, February 12, 2006 4:48 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by arbfbe

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

No wonder those drunken red neck ilks hate Montana farmers!


So I have sort of lost the connection here. Just who are you calling a drunken red neck ilk so I will know if I should feel personally offended or if I should stick up for some other group. Are you trying to pick a fight on the weekend while Bergie is away or what?


Try not to get too upset by the comments of FM. After all he is the house ditto head and as such he will employ the tactics of the political and religious right. Such things as calling people unpatriotic when they disagree with the political agenda of the right wing or accusing people of hatred when they don't share the accuser's beliefs are common.

There is actually a biblical source for the hate idea as the disciples were warned that they would be hated when they evangelized in far off lands. Some still believe that any criticism of views or beliefs comes only from hatred.

I don't think that I hate anybody. At least I hope that is the case. I know for sure that I don't hate Montana farmers. I don't think it rises to a level of hatred, however I must confess that I rather dislike people who accuse me of hating someone with whom I disagree.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 12, 2006 5:21 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jeaton

QUOTE: Originally posted by arbfbe

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

No wonder those drunken red neck ilks hate Montana farmers!


So I have sort of lost the connection here. Just who are you calling a drunken red neck ilk so I will know if I should feel personally offended or if I should stick up for some other group. Are you trying to pick a fight on the weekend while Bergie is away or what?


Try not to get too upset by the comments of FM. After all he is the house ditto head and as such he will employ the tactics of the political and religious right. Such things as calling people unpatriotic when they disagree with the political agenda of the right wing or accusing people of hatred when they don't share the accuser's beliefs are common.

There is actually a biblical source for the hate idea as the disciples were warned that they would be hated when they evangelized in far off lands. Some still believe that any criticism of views or beliefs comes only from hatred.

I don't think that I hate anybody. At least I hope that is the case. I know for sure that I don't hate Montana farmers. I don't think it rises to a level of hatred, however I must confess that I rather dislike people who accuse me of hating someone with whom I disagree.


"Admittedly, some of them probably are dumb enough to try and blame Montana farmers when and if the US gets into a military confrontation with Communist China."

Hmmm, do we have our first contestant here?[}:)]

jeaton, next time you have access to a dictionary, try and look up "sarcasm".
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Posted by dcgrosvold on Sunday, February 12, 2006 6:55 PM
I don't know about y'all, but My folks are Montana farmers. I live in the south, so does that make me a drunken red-neck Montana farmer? AntiGates, I like the photo about Wal*Mart. They have a BIG investment in China.

But -- the problem with China is a LOT bigger than most people have even dreamed about.

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=1981562&cat=21657&type=3&dept=3920&path=0%3A3920%3A18835%3A18838%3A18840%3A21657

The second one's kind of ironic isn't it?
[8D]

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Posted by jeaton on Sunday, February 12, 2006 7:59 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

QUOTE: Originally posted by jeaton

QUOTE: Originally posted by arbfbe

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

No wonder those drunken red neck ilks hate Montana farmers!


So I have sort of lost the connection here. Just who are you calling a drunken red neck ilk so I will know if I should feel personally offended or if I should stick up for some other group. Are you trying to pick a fight on the weekend while Bergie is away or what?


Try not to get too upset by the comments of FM. After all he is the house ditto head and as such he will employ the tactics of the political and religious right. Such things as calling people unpatriotic when they disagree with the political agenda of the right wing or accusing people of hatred when they don't share the accuser's beliefs are common.

There is actually a biblical source for the hate idea as the disciples were warned that they would be hated when they evangelized in far off lands. Some still believe that any criticism of views or beliefs comes only from hatred.

I don't think that I hate anybody. At least I hope that is the case. I know for sure that I don't hate Montana farmers. I don't think it rises to a level of hatred, however I must confess that I rather dislike people who accuse me of hating someone with whom I disagree.


"Admittedly, some of them probably are dumb enough to try and blame Montana farmers when and if the US gets into a military confrontation with Communist China."

Hmmm, do we have our first contestant here?[}:)]

jeaton, next time you have access to a dictionary, try and look up "sarcasm".



Are you trying to say that you are making fun of me and others on the forum so as to hurt our feelings? If so, I doubt you are succeeding. "Sarcasm, I now see to be, in general, the language of the Devil" (Thomas Carlyle)

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Posted by Jim Wrinn on Monday, February 13, 2006 1:10 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by nanaimo73

Originally posted by Murphy Siding

So, what would you like to see in the May issue of Trains Magazine?


A Map of the Month, showing how much is left, and who operates, the Milwaukee Road, or the Rock Island, or the NYC.

The return of the Annual Motive Power Survey, listing all locomotive deliveries during 2005. Also a look at the roster of one of the Big 4 systems, showing where the locomotives are based for maintenence and what kind of service they are assigned to.

Fallen Flags - Part 5 by J David Ingles. The first 4 parts were in the 4-74, 5-74, 6-74 and 1-84 Trains.

A Fred Frailey article on Class 1 operations. Perhaps focusing on the Chicago-KC corridor or the El Paso-Colton Sunset Route.

An article on a Regional or Shortline, with a roster and a map.

An article on a city with more than 3 railroads and preferably with Amtrak, writen like the Trackside guides. New Orleans was just covered in CTC Board, and Pittsburgh in R&R. Perhaps Philly, Cleveland or Memphis.

An article on William Woodard, father of Super-power.

A sequel to this article-
4-8-0s to Mallets to Jawn Henry
Trains, October 1984 page 34
motive power development on Norfolk & Western
( N&W, "POND, C. E.", STEAM, ENGINE, LOCOMOTIVE, TRN )
detailing the dieselization process on N&W.

The first in a series of articles on geared steam by Jim Wrinn, detailing Shays.

Hmmm... The May issue might ru***hings, but I think we might be able to catch a few of these goodies down the road.

I really appreciate the feedback, and I'm sure the staff does too. Everybody works really hard to create an engaging, entertaining, educational magazine that covers many bases, so telling us what you like, what you don't like, what you want to see more of and what you want to see less of is great information.

Best to all! Jim Wrinn
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Posted by Murphy Siding on Monday, February 13, 2006 4:52 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by shay1925
I really appreciate the feedback, and I'm sure the staff does too. Everybody works really hard to create an engaging, entertaining, educational magazine that covers many bases, so telling us what you like, what you don't like, what you want to see more of and what you want to see less of is great information.
Best to all! Jim Wrinn

[:D] (Cool) Any chance that one of you magazine gurus would be willing to explain the ins an outs of where stories come from, and how the process works? Thanks

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:34 PM
I'd like to see a feature on where all the *second tier* and *old iron* is still being rostered in the industry. It's neat to see which Class 1's ordered more SD 70's, but it would also be neat to see where the ALCO's are still being used in day-to -day service.( And the GP-7's, and the U-boats, and the SD45's, and the ........)

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 11:23 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding

I'd like to see a feature on where all the *second tier* and *old iron* is still being rostered in the industry. It's neat to see which Class 1's ordered more SD 70's, but it would also be neat to see where the ALCO's are still being used in day-to -day service.( And the GP-7's, and the U-boats, and the SD45's, and the ........)


Hey Murphy,

I notice that the thread title changed...was that your doing, or did you get some "help"?
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Posted by Jim Wrinn on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 12:57 PM
[:D] (Cool) Any chance that one of you magazine gurus would be willing to explain the ins an outs of where stories come from, and how the process works? Thanks


I can go in depth later, but the short answer is that stories come from contributors' ideas and our own imaginations. We commission part of our features, and the rest comes from readers.

Usually, we evaluate story ideas using a nutshell summary of the proposed piece that covers the focus of the work, its highlights, and the all-important "why I should care" angle. A good proposed headline or cover blurb helps us to evaluate concepts. From there, we agree with the author to a general story length, look for art, budget pages for upcoming issues (working on the planner for spring 2007 right now), and deadlines.

What are we looking for? A good mix is the answer. We want a story line up that covers a lot of bases. We want stories that that appeal to the heart and the head, that are diverse in many aspects (geographically, modern and historical and futuristic, steam and diesel, domestic and international, hard-core industry and hard-core fan interest etc.), and that provide a swirl of fun, educational, and interesting topics about railroading!

That's all there is to it!

Cheers! Jim

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:00 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates
Hey Murphy,
I notice that the thread title changed...was that your doing, or did you get some "help"?

No real conspiracy there. I changed the title to avoid confusion now, and a month down the road. As yet, I haven't riled the feathers of the "powers that be", and don't plan to, any time soon.
I would like to see what other posters think would be good ideas for articles in Trains Magazine. I can't say I'd be excited about a 3-part feature on open access though. ([;)]Gotcha Dave[:-,]) .[:)]


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Posted by nanaimo73 on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:39 PM
I'd like to see an article, or just a Map of the Month, on the mysterious Conrail Shared Assets in New Jersey

I think an article on the Mother-of-all-unit-trains, handled by BNSF and NS between the Powder River Basin and Plant Scherer in Georgia would be interesting. Cycle times, crew changes, fuel stops, ect.

Perhaps an article on those northern and western Austrailia coal and iron ore railroads would also be interesting. Heavy trains with new North American AC locomotives.
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Posted by narig01 on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:53 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

Originally posted by arbfbe

No wonder those drunken red neck ilks hate Montana farmers!

Does this mean the Reds will nuke Montana?
It's not that far from Cincinnati(Reds) to Montana is it?

Rambling on with graffitti

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, February 17, 2006 10:51 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding
I would like to see what other posters think would be good ideas for articles in Trains Magazine. I can't say I'd be excited about a 3-part feature on open access though. ([;)]Gotcha Dave[:-,]) .[:)].


A 3 part feature on Open Access would barely scratch the surface. For one, you've got the variations of OA in Australia and Europe. Secondly, you'd need a detailed comparison of OA at work in other modes. Thirdly, you've got this huge pent up capital market that could explode onto the scene if shippers and 3PL's/3PI's started running their own trains to their specifications. Fourthly, you've got all the potential variations of converting the current closed access system to some form of OA. Then, you've got the painful transition for current stockholders and prefered shippers, and of course you'd have to dedicate entire issues to the opponents of OA, and what about the impact on the whole genre of passenger rail.........etc. etc. etc.

Nah, we're talking monthly excerpts for the next ten years at the least![:0]
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 18, 2006 12:26 AM
I'd like to see a contemporary photo feature of some of the larger ghost infastructure still extant. Some sompanies made sizeable investments in their rail dock/loading/unloading facilities, which over the years have gone out of business and left behind these monumental legacies, that have proven too big to economically remove, so they linger on. Think of it as an "Rustbelt Hall of fame" if you will. ..

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Saturday, February 18, 2006 10:51 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by shay1925

I can go in depth later, but the short answer is that stories come from contributors' ideas and our own imaginations. We commission part of our features, and the rest comes from readers.

Usually, we evaluate story ideas using a nutshell summary of the proposed piece that covers the focus of the work, its highlights, and the all-important "why I should care" angle. A good proposed headline or cover blurb helps us to evaluate concepts. From there, we agree with the author to a general story length, look for art, budget pages for upcoming issues (working on the planner for spring 2007 right now), and deadlines.

What are we looking for? A good mix is the answer. We want a story line up that covers a lot of bases. We want stories that that appeal to the heart and the head, that are diverse in many aspects (geographically, modern and historical and futuristic, steam and diesel, domestic and international, hard-core industry and hard-core fan interest etc.), and that provide a swirl of fun, educational, and interesting topics about railroading!

That's all there is to it!
Cheers! Jim


Please go into depth later. That would make a fascinating thread.

(Note to self: Renew subscription to Open Access Monthly[;)])

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 18, 2006 11:39 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding

QUOTE: Originally posted by shay1925

[:D] (Cool) Any chance that one of you magazine gurus would be willing to explain the ins an outs of where stories come from, and how the process works? Thanks


I can go in depth later, but the short answer is that stories come from contributors' ideas and our own imaginations. We commission part of our features, and the rest comes from readers.

Usually, we evaluate story ideas using a nutshell summary of the proposed piece that covers the focus of the work, its highlights, and the all-important "why I should care" angle. A good proposed headline or cover blurb helps us to evaluate concepts. From there, we agree with the author to a general story length, look for art, budget pages for upcoming issues (working on the planner for spring 2007 right now), and deadlines.

What are we looking for? A good mix is the answer. We want a story line up that covers a lot of bases. We want stories that that appeal to the heart and the head, that are diverse in many aspects (geographically, modern and historical and futuristic, steam and diesel, domestic and international, hard-core industry and hard-core fan interest etc.), and that provide a swirl of fun, educational, and interesting topics about railroading!

That's all there is to it!
Cheers! Jim


Please go into depth later. That would make a fascinating thread.

(Note to self: Renew subscription to Open Access Monthly[;)])


Poor Murphy, still hasn't figured out the.....
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Posted by Murphy Siding on Saturday, February 18, 2006 2:23 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal


Poor Murphy, still hasn't figured out the.....
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thing yet!


Poorer Murphy-doesn't even understand the comment! Zoom!!! Right over my head. 'Must be one of those South Park things![:p]

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 18, 2006 9:44 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal


Poor Murphy, still hasn't figured out the.....
QUOTE: [:(!][:(!][xx(][xx(][:(][:(][V][V]
thing yet!


Poorer Murphy-doesn't even understand the comment! Zoom!!! Right over my head. 'Must be one of those South Park things![:p]


there you go, that's better
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Posted by Murphy Siding on Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:10 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal


Poor Murphy, still hasn't figured out the.....
QUOTE: [:(!][:(!][xx(][xx(][:(][:(][V][V]
thing yet!


Poorer Murphy-doesn't even understand the comment! Zoom!!! Right over my head. 'Must be one of those South Park things![:p]


there you go, that's better

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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, February 19, 2006 1:48 PM
Hoo, boy! First we have Hanjin supposedly being South Korean when the word means something very close to 'the Chinese people' (as the Han Chinese see it, anyway).

And then we have FM using 'sarcasm' on Murphy Siding about not knowing how to use the quotes correctly -- he must have learned very quickly since Feb 12 at 16:22:31... but humility was not part of the lesson, I guess ;-}

With respect to feature articles -- I would like to see more articles about innovative technology both in present and historical railroading. The article on coal turbines was fine, as far as it went -- but there were enormous areas where I wanted HARD information (which author Hirsimaki almost certainly would have known) and the article seemed to have been almost 'dumbed down' presumably because one of the Powers That Be decided that too much tech would turn readership off. Note: that didn't happen when 'Frimbo' was writing in the New Yorker, a far less 'fan-oriented' publication...

Let's see some articles on things like technologies to reduce rolling resistance without causing slipping (stick lubricators, top-of-rail lube, etc.) -- or on the current state of the 'magic wear rate' thinking for track maintenance (WITH the working definition of 'martensite' as it applies to railheads).

A GOOD technical discussion of modern theory and practice in PTC, with specific reference to the programming issues vs. operating reality in NAJPTC ... and the various scams (like using NJT passenger trains to test a freight PTS system!) that have been tried. This might easily be extended to discussions of continuous signaling, and the science, practice, and implementation history of NDGPS (if I understand correctly, the initial North American continental rollout of differential enablement specifically followed important rail main line coverage) and modern distributed/packet communications.

Ongoing thinking and discussion regarding remotes and automation -- including ways that dispatching can be improved in a practical, not just theoretical, sense.

I also miss -- very much -- Kneiling's columns. Back when open-access ideas were 'iconoclastic', I found them ingenious (rather than ingenuous) and successful at being what they were intended to be -- thought-provoking rather than 'ex cathedra' answers to the railroading equivalent of lamers and lusers. Surely we can find someone to bring this sort of column back ...

I thought it was very brave and commendable of Trains to have undertaken publishing things like "The Case for the Double-Track Train" in the early '70s -- and to have weathered some subsequent discussion from 'practical purists' concerning the rightness of doing so.
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Posted by Murphy Siding on Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:29 PM
Note to Overmod: It's a well known fact that I'm computer dummy. Some-futuremodal included, have given me a ribbing now and theb about it. I take no offence, and actually laugh at my mistakes. The dis-comforting part is, that sometimes it takes so long for me to catch on to the joke.[:I]
Concerning your ideas about technology articles, I can see where there would be some tough decisions at the magazine about how technical the article could be, before losing some of the reader. A good example, is the posters (you included) that can discuss some pretty *heavy* steam technology, with ease. Some posters (me for example) get lost in the details fairly quickly. I enjoy it, as it turns into a sort of mind excercise:"let's see how many times I have to read it, before it soaks in".
On technical articles,heck-maybe on all articles,there could be a note at the end, that says:"For futher reading, see............" If you wanted bonus points, the note could say "For further reading on this subject, see our list of sources, and recommendations for further reading, listed on our Trains Magazine website. This could be the start of a really good thing.[:D]

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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, February 19, 2006 3:11 PM
Hey, that brings up an idea I had years ago, in a completely different venue:

Do I remember correctly that several railroad magazines did, in fact, provide the "additional-reading" references (admittedly on one page rather than as 'footnotes' or comments after each article) in some detail?

It might be possible to put the extensively technical details in a WEB-based form, on the Trains site, and then include live hyperlinks in the 'further reading' and 'source' lists (etc.) -- perhaps with .pdfs for the folks that want to peruse the additional material in hardcopy and html that can be optimized for the different scales of bandwidth found for readers around the world.

ISTR that some women's magazines had special site codes in each issue, which would 'get you in' to the advanced content (presumably because you had a hard copy as a subscriber, or had purchased one at a newsstand). We could always consider 'mickey mouse' access protection a la some of those '80s games, where you had to type in, say, the fourteenth word from the top on page 3 in order to get to the next section, if we needed to ensure, ah, that the issue was actually 'in hand' near the computer rather than used as a copying reference ;-}

THEN we could establish particular forum threads, perhaps even stickies, for monthly topics of interest (or ongoing themes) and periodically produce digests or whatever for publication in the physical magazine...

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Sunday, February 19, 2006 3:22 PM
Holy Cow! Overmod! I think we just jumped from reading the magazine to writing it.[(-D]

Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar.

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