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Anonymous

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You have got to see this Topic.

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 8:46 PM

I have NEVER seen it this bad on a streach of Train Track.
http://www.railroadforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11449
Allan.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 8:53 PM

owwwwww

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 8:58 PM

thats the worst I have ever seen

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BaltACD

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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 9:03 PM

I expect that that was Excepted track that is restricted to 10 MPH max and does not service Hazmat. If one looks hard enough around any railroad property you will find some segments of deplorable track.

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solzrules

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Posted by solzrules on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 9:08 PM

Looks pretty sound to me..............NOT

You think this is bad? Just wait until inflation kicks in.....

railfan619

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Posted by railfan619 on Saturday, January 28, 2006 7:56 PM

NOW that is some reallllllllyyyyyy bad looking track they got on there hands and of course you know if they don't fix that soon we'll be reading about a derailment on that line. Now The FRA should place that line out of service until CSX gets out there and fixs it.

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Posted by edblysard on Saturday, January 28, 2006 8:05 PM

Well,
The joint bars are doing what the were designed to do...if you watch the second vid, you can the the sink/mud hole at the joint bar to the far right.

Looks like they did a long dutch joint as a temp repair to the problem, and never went back and undercut/tamped/fixed the underlying problem...and the track has a slow order on it.
The ballast is to big for a exempted, old, or industrial track or spur...rock like that isnt cheap.

At least there are joint bars...you should see some of the old SP tracks in East yard[:D]

Ed

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 28, 2006 8:52 PM

Wow I sure hope there aren't any Hazmat Trains on the line then again I have seen worse track over the years.

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mudchicken

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Posted by mudchicken on Saturday, January 28, 2006 9:02 PM

If it is not excepted (shouldn't be - too close to a public crossing), then there are 4 obvious FRA defects and a track inspector in hot water. Before anything blows up, the motor track inspector can easily put a temporary fix on the problem. (and we all do NOT know all the facts here)....If it were me, the track is out of service until it meets Cls. 1 spec....possible FRA Code 1...

Not a dutchman, it is a rail plug. Most railroads will not allow a rail shorter than 16 feet in a main or secondary track.

Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west

CShaveRR

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Posted by CShaveRR on Saturday, January 28, 2006 9:10 PM

According to the information accompanying the clip, it is excepted track. If it shouldn't be, as MC states, I wi***hat just once the right person would see this. Whatever it takes to get a job done right!

Carl

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coborn35

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Posted by coborn35 on Saturday, January 28, 2006 9:11 PM

I can see the track inspector now: :I would have gotten away with it if not for those meddiling foamers!" lol

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Posted by tree68 on Sunday, January 29, 2006 12:42 AM

I recall standing on the platform at Rantoul, Il wondering if the ICG locomotives were going to rock back, or fall over onto the platform... And that was on the main...

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 29, 2006 8:06 AM

Look like the so-called FRA needs to a much better job. That is putting alot of the Public in harms way.

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tmcc man

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Posted by tmcc man on Sunday, January 29, 2006 8:31 AM

My dad does not believe the clips. He thinks they are fake. I told him, why would someone spend so much time doctoring a video clip. I live about 2 hours from Bethelem, I live just above Philadelphia. We might be going out there, but I do not know when, and I said, we will see who is right.

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samfp1943

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Posted by samfp1943 on Sunday, January 29, 2006 10:12 AM

Deferred Manitenance: Imagine the ride across that track?

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Posted by ChuckCobleigh on Sunday, January 29, 2006 11:21 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

Well,
The joint bars are doing what the were designed to do...if you watch the second vid, you can the the sink/mud hole at the joint bar to the far right.

Ed

Ed points out what is obvious to me and interesting about the video shooter. The rising joint is not the problem; the soft spot to the right of the January fifth video is the problem. Interesting, in the later video you can see the spikes pulling but keeping the rails in gauge. I suspect that the soft spot has been worked by now, unless there's some really odd problem there.

I have seen similar soft spots from time to time but not for long. I can recall a similar one near a grade crossing on the BN in Quincy IL. It showed up one day and was gone in another day or two.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 29, 2006 11:40 AM

I dont know who this john fellow is but my advice to him is to stay far far away from track that does that. if he was standing next to the track when he was filming the two minute version, well dare i say, he is crazy. that track could have rolled out from underneath the train at anytime. stay off of the railroad john almeida, you will live a lot longer, or who ever else did the filming.

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Randy Stahl

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Posted by Randy Stahl on Sunday, January 29, 2006 12:50 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSFrailfan

I have NEVER seen it this bad on a streach of Train Track.
http://www.railroadforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11449
Allan.

You missed the WICT, the MILW raod branchlines.. the CNW branches and the entire Rock Island railroad. not to mention the little East Troy railroad pre 1980..
Randy

beaulieu

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Posted by beaulieu on Sunday, January 29, 2006 1:49 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Randy Stahl

You missed the WICT, the MILW raod branchlines.. the CNW branches and the entire Rock Island railroad. not to mention the little East Troy railroad pre 1980..
Randy

You forgot to mention the Chicago Great Western.

Randy Stahl

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Posted by Randy Stahl on Sunday, January 29, 2006 2:11 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by beaulieu

QUOTE: Originally posted by Randy Stahl

You missed the WICT, the MILW raod branchlines.. the CNW branches and the entire Rock Island railroad. not to mention the little East Troy railroad pre 1980..
Randy

You forgot to mention the Chicago Great Western.

The only CGW train I saw was on the ground

mudchicken

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Posted by mudchicken on Sunday, January 29, 2006 3:54 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR

According to the information accompanying the clip, it is excepted track. If it shouldn't be, as MC states, I wi***hat just once the right person would see this. Whatever it takes to get a job done right!

FRA Regulation 49CFR213.4(d) under Excepted Track:

(d) The identified segment of track is not located on a bridge
including the track approaching the bridge for 100 feet on either side,
or located on a public street or highway, if railroad cars containing
commodities required to be placarded by the Hazardous Materials
Regulations (49 CFR part 172), are moved over the track....

[the following is not directed at Carl]

O.K. all you wannabe regulatory "holier-than-thou's", YOU interpret the 100 foot rule and what constitutes a public street or highway (crossing surface or R/W width ) [?] I prefer to avoid designating excepted track and when forced to, will make every attempt to make that track Cls. 1 up to 100 feet out from the R/W line. Tough call. What saves the issue is tangent track and low speed on moderately heavy rail (over 90#).[;)]

What scares me every day is what public road agencies get away with around road crossings. If CSX is the focus of what's wrong here, there ought to be hordes of public roadway officials that need to join them in the hoosegow.[soapbox][soapbox][soapbox]

Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west

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Posted by wabash1 on Monday, January 30, 2006 11:35 AM

I have run trains on worse track than that and that track is in service and handles haz-mat . also long and very heavy trains. but the main problem i see here is a foamer on private property ( probley one of those that swears he never tresspasses and wonders why he gets rude responses from workers) taking photos of the track in harms way. I have seen no mention on here about this ( except sam shooter) this guy should have been arrested.

mecovey

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Posted by mecovey on Monday, January 30, 2006 11:40 AM

On the other hand he may have been using a telephoto lens and never got on railroad property. Or maybe he is a railroad employee but doesn't want to create problems on his job by exposing this situation. Or who knows how many other scenerios might be at work here. In any event let's not shoot the messenger.

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Posted by Mookie on Monday, January 30, 2006 11:54 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by tmcc man

My dad does not believe the clips. He thinks they are fake. I told him, why would someone spend so much time doctoring a video clip. I live about 2 hours from Bethelem, I live just above Philadelphia. We might be going out there, but I do not know when, and I said, we will see who is right.

Well, I sat trackside at a crossing and waited for a very slow freight that looked very much like the first clip. Our tracks are inspected a lot and I imagine that this was eventually fixed. But the trains went slowly (still do) up and down this track and as long as it wasn't broken (like the one we saw at another place) it didn't seem to cause a lot of alarm. (only in me!) So tell Dad, it does happen. Probably more than the railroaders would like. I should get some video of the coal cars AND engines that rock on our soft ground going in and out of town. That's a thrill!

Mookie

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garr

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Posted by garr on Monday, January 30, 2006 10:34 PM

Well, after living 18 years around the welded rail mainlines in W and NW metro Atlanta, it is nice to hear the "click-clack" of the wheels on jointed rails in the vi--wait a second--I mean it is nice to hear the "click-clack-boiing, click-clack-boiing" in the video.

Jay

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 31, 2006 4:52 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by wabash1

I have run trains on worse track than that and that track is in service and handles haz-mat . also long and very heavy trains. but the main problem i see here is a foamer on private property ( probley one of those that swears he never tresspasses and wonders why he gets rude responses from workers) taking photos of the track in harms way. I have seen no mention on here about this ( except sam shooter) this guy should have been arrested.

Wow, no surprise these kinds of issues never gets fixed. Why don't railroad just give guns to engineers to shoot on sight any trespassing railfan who may notice the problem. The hell with public safety, you've got a ton of lawyers and money to cover up the cousequences. Gotta love America!

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Posted by petervonb on Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:11 PM

I don't know what else you expect from CSX whose management never goes out to see what's going on the way NS management does. They just try to run everything sight unseen - never seen - from Jacksonville. They keep coming up with new slogans to describe their new operating Plans which were created in Jacksonville - without going out to see what's going on - sort of a vicious cycle.

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Posted by fuzzybroken on Wednesday, February 1, 2006 7:56 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by garr

Well, after living 18 years around the welded rail mainlines in W and NW metro Atlanta, it is nice to hear the "click-clack" of the wheels on jointed rails in the vi--wait a second--I mean it is nice to hear the "click-clack-boiing, click-clack-boiing" in the video.

Jay

LOL!!!

I agree, it certainly looks bad!!! But all the track components are doing what they're supposed to do, and at some point somebody's gonna go down there and say "you know, we really oughta fix this..." I just hope it's not after one of those track components fails to do its job...

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Posted by LehighValleyman on Friday, February 10, 2006 6:36 PM

[:0]Oh my god, some one outgha send this clip to CSX and show them that they do such a suckie job at maintaining rail, i can't wait when that rail just over turns and derails several haz mat cars. Nothing to disreguard you mookie, but my suggestion, quit from CSX and find a job on NS, or just tell the division master that he should have fixed that prob a while ago when the haz mat train does derail.

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Posted by cr6479 on Friday, February 10, 2006 7:04 PM

It look's like csx forget to put in tieplates & spikes in. I have seen worse than that where i live in Rochester, NewYork some of CSXT tracks are so bad that you see trains boundsing up & down doing 60-80MPH very scary.