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Personal observations of a railfan.
Posted by chad thomas on Friday, January 13, 2006 4:07 PM
Definitions:

Railfan...An otherwise normal person that enjoys the pursuit of railroad related activities. That could be one or more of many sub interests including but not limited to observing, photographing, reasearching, studying, discussing, modeling or just plain following the railroads of both past,present or future. These people are hard to spot in other circles as they are functional in normal society.

Foamer...One that apparently looses all mental control when one or more of the following occur: 1) they are in the presence of a: A) a train B) railroad tracks (and in some places railroad property(s)) C) a piece of railroad memorabilia or D) a conversation or any other communication related to the subject of railroading. They are easy to detect as most of them are social disaster areas anyway.

Railroader (non railfan)...One that couldn't care less what the rest of us falling into the other categories think(s) about them or there company. They are the ones that are there to do a job, earn a liveing and make it home safely every day till retirement.


Railroader (closet railfan)...One that typically enjoys there job whether they admit it or not. They are most likely to be industry insider participants of railroad related forums. they are fairly easy members to spot as they typically use aliases (to protect the innocent of course) but are otherwise forthright with there experiences and opinions,reguardless of what the foamers think.

Railroader (and railfan)..one that enjoys there profession and is willing to share there experiences and/or wisdom with the rest of the railfan community. They are easy to spot due to there honesty, integrity and passion for railroading and railroad related subjects while feeling no need to hide there identity.

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Notes: (some less common catagories)

Closet railfan-For all intents and purposes should be considered railfans that don't advertise. They are the hardest to spot but can be identified by the quick snap of the neck upon hearing any railroad related noise to see whats up.

Railroader / Foamer, there also exists such an animal as railroader (foamer). They don't usually last very long, though, because the other three railroader categories look upon them as being more than a little strange, even if they share the same sympathies at times. You can tell these guys some tall tales that they will later repeat as gospel.

Trolls-(all of the above)...Trolls are generally misfits of society looking to disrupt normal society in any way they can (for whatever reason) and there presence in the forum is a side effect of society more then a railfan category and will furthermore be ignored,

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relationships:

railfan-Foamer....The railfan will tolerate the foamer either out of pity or compassion for the mentally challenged that enjoy the same hobby, even when it may damage there reputation....the foamer will generally cling on to the railfan because they are not just willing to talk to them but are also socially acceptable members of society.

railfan-railroader(non railfan)...The railfan typically feels self conscious when a railroader gives that look that says "get a life"...The railroader usually gives the railfan that "Get a life look" that comes so naturally to them.

Railfan-railroader(closet railfan)...railfans typically cater to the closet railroader's ego when they feel they will not have there cover blown and therefore are paid back in special favors in many varying ways in which railfans tend to exploit but not abuse...Closet railfan railroaders are a goldmine for the railfan because when they know they can get away with it they will show off for the railfan in a multitude of ways that are always beneficial and thoroughly appreciated by most all railfans. This is typically a most beneficial relationship as long as the railfan does not take the closet foamer down front street.

Railfan-railfan/railroader...This tends to be the best kind of relationship as each party tends to have a level head and doesn't get to inflated about who or what they are and for the most part are intelegent, wise and compassionate members of society.

Foamer-non railfan railroader...The worst possible match. The Foamer is typically a "social disaster area" an is likely to represent a hazard to the railroader in a multitude of ways in which the non railfan railroader will be most intolerant of... the non railfan railroader will look at the foamer like they are the most socially unacceptable life form on the face of the planet, and not know whether to be irritated by them or take pitty on them. bottom line: bad blood.

Foamer-closet railfan railroader...Although not the worst mix it does have perils all its own. the foamer will tend to taunt the closet railroader to give them access or special favors... Meanwhile the closet railroader will constantly worry about the foamer taking them down front street and risking them loosing there job. A very unbalanced relationship.

Foamer-railroader railfan...the foamer typically worships the ground the railroader walks on. The railroader typically spends his time wondering why those losers worship the ground they walk on.The relationships in this category could potentially fill books and is way beyond the scope of this piece.




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Posted by PBenham on Friday, January 13, 2006 4:09 PM
OUCH! Chad, You are on the mark!
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Posted by adrianspeeder on Friday, January 13, 2006 4:51 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas

Foamer-non railfan railroader...The worst possible match. The Foamer is typically a "social disaster area" an is likely to represent a hazard to the railroader in a multitude of ways in which the non railfan railroader will be most intolerant of... the non railfan railroader will look at the foamer like they are the most socially unacceptable life form on the face of the planet, and not know whether to be irritated by them or take pitty on them. bottom line: bad blood.




Fun to watch from the sidelines though!

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Posted by chad thomas on Friday, January 13, 2006 5:08 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by adrianspeeder

QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas

Foamer-non railfan railroader...The worst possible match. The Foamer is typically a "social disaster area" an is likely to represent a hazard to the railroader in a multitude of ways in which the non railfan railroader will be most intolerant of... the non railfan railroader will look at the foamer like they are the most socially unacceptable life form on the face of the planet, and not know whether to be irritated by them or take pitty on them. bottom line: bad blood.




Fun to watch from the sidelines though!

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Posted by vsmith on Friday, January 13, 2006 5:20 PM
Chad, you forgot the "closet railfan"...people like me, who enjoy trains and all thing railroad related, but like to watch them go by from the comfort and shade of our car in a Carl's Jr parking lot. Also we generally dont carry a camera, or a schedule, or a scanner, won't hike 5 miles thru sagebrush and rattlesnakes to the place overlooking the "perfect" spot to take pics, and will never ever wear that stupid Engineers hat with enough logo pins stuck to it to sink a canoe with!

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Posted by germanium on Friday, January 13, 2006 5:49 PM
Chad -Many "closet" railfans (as vsmith describes us) respect railroaders for the often dirty, hard, and potentially dangerous jobs they do. Often to them it's just a job - they want to be at home like the rest of us, with their families. Which category does this put us in - or is it one you didn't enumerate in your post ?
On a slightly lighter note, it used to be a (perhaps) peculiarly English boy's hobby to collect locomotive numbers, especially in steam days. A psychologist at the July 2005 British Phsychological Society's meeting described such boys as suffering from "Asbergers Syndrome" - an inability to form normal relationships !! This confirms the suspicion in some minds that some psychologists need phsychiatic treatment, or in popular parlance "The lunatics are indeed running the asylum" !!!!!!!!
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Posted by trainboyH16-44 on Friday, January 13, 2006 6:08 PM
DING DING DING give the man a dollar!
I'm a bit of a foamer, but I'm laerning self-control..like if I go out with a girl, I no longer jump and turn my head at the sound of a distant train..
I was jumped by a true foamer once, he ruined a recording of CP 2816 I was trying to make because he wouln't shut up..*sigh*
I've had some interesting encounters with those types of railroaders..like this one cab ride I got. One railroader was a nice one, probably a closet railfan. Another was a regular railroader, and a third one was unknown..made for an interesting day..one grumbling about safety regulations, and the other telling me about what was going on..well, it was fun!
And one little tidbit, it turns out I have asperger's syndrome..makes perfect sense!

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Posted by blhanel on Friday, January 13, 2006 6:21 PM
I like to think that I'm a railfan- God forbid that someone would classify me as a foamer, although I'll sometimes call myself that in an attempt at self-denegration..[:o)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, January 13, 2006 6:24 PM
Ya but the number one thing not to forget when you go Railfanning. The Smokes. Don't forget the Smokes.
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Posted by germanium on Friday, January 13, 2006 6:24 PM
trainboyH16-44 - You're out with a girl and yet listening to trains ??? Confirms our suspicions !!
As a matter of interest, what is CP 2816 ?
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, January 13, 2006 7:34 PM
LOL! you forgot the "attention ho" style of railfan.

You know, the ones who take really crappy pictures, but don't realize how crappy they are, because they took them? [:I]
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Posted by Tharmeni on Saturday, January 14, 2006 5:27 AM
Chad - To add another dimension to the splendid field work you set out above, I also believe the male foamer - female non-railfan is the most volatile relationship on the planet.
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Posted by spbed on Saturday, January 14, 2006 7:15 AM
H'mm if you have so much time on your hands to give what is your opinion of Americans then my I suggest you find some else to occupy you besides RRs. However. thank you for type casting the rest of us. [;)]



QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas

Definitions:

Railfan...An otherwise normal person that enjoys the pursuit of railroad related activities. That could be one or more of many sub interests including but not limited to observing, photographing, reasearching, studying, discussing, modeling or just plain following the railroads of both past,present or future. These people are hard to spot in other circles as they are functional in normal society.

Foamer...One that apparently looses all mental control when one or more of the following occur: 1) they are in the presence of a: A) a train B) railroad tracks (and in some places railroad property(s)) C) a piece of railroad memorabilia or D) a conversation or any other communication related to the subject of railroading. They are easy to detect as most of them are social disaster areas anyway.

Railroader (non railfan)...One that couldn't care less what the rest of us falling into the other categories think(s) about them or there company. They are the ones that are there to do a job, earn a liveing and make it home safely every day till retirement.


Railroader (closet railfan)...One that typically enjoys there job whether they admit it or not. They are most likely to be industry insider participants of railroad related forums. they are fairly easy members to spot as they typically use aliases (to protect the innocent of course) but are otherwise forthright with there experiences and opinions,reguardless of what the foamers think.

Railroader (and railfan)..one that enjoys there profession and is willing to share there experiences and/or wisdom with the rest of the railfan community. They are easy to spot due to there honesty, integrity and passion for railroading and railroad related subjects while feeling no need to hide there identity.

Trolls-(all of the above)...Trolls are generally misfits of society looking to disrupt normal society in any way they can (for whatever reason) and there presence in the forum is a side effect of society more then a railfan category and will furthermore be ignored,

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relationships:

railfan-Foamer....The railfan will tolerate the foamer either out of pity or compassion for the mentally challenged that enjoy the same hobby, even when it may damage there reputation....the foamer will generally cling on to the railfan because they are not just willing to talk to them but are also socially acceptable members of society.

railfan-railroader(non railfan)...The railfan typically feels self conscious when a railroader gives that look that says "get a life"...The railroader usually gives the railfan that "Get a life look" that comes so naturally to them.

Railfan-railroader(closet railfan)...railfans typically cater to the closet railroader's ego when they feel they will not have there cover blown and therefore are paid back in special favors in many varying ways in which railfans tend to exploit but not abuse...Closet railfan railroaders are a goldmine for the railfan because when they know they can get away with it they will show off for the railfan in a multitude of ways that are always beneficial and thoroughly appreciated by most all railfans. This is typically a most beneficial relationship as long as the railfan does not take the closet foamer down front street.

Railfan-railfan/railroader...This tends to be the best kind of relationship as each party tends to have a level head and doesn't get to inflated about who or what they are and for the most part are intelegent, wise and compassionate members of society.

Foamer-non railfan railroader...The worst possible match. The Foamer is typically a "social disaster area" an is likely to represent a hazard to the railroader in a multitude of ways in which the non railfan railroader will be most intolerant of... the non railfan railroader will look at the foamer like they are the most socially unacceptable life form on the face of the planet, and not know whether to be irritated by them or take pitty on them. bottom line: bad blood.

Foamer-closet railfan railroader...Although not the worst mix it does have perils all its own. the foamer will tend to taunt the closet railroader to give them access or special favors... Meanwhile the closet railroader will constantly worry about the foamer taking them down front street and risking them loosing there job. A very unbalanced relationship.

Foamer-railroader railfan...the foamer typically worships the ground the railroader walks on. The railroader typically spends his time wondering why those losers worship the ground they walk on.The relationships in this category could potentially fill books and is way beyond the scope of this piece.





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Posted by JoeKoh on Saturday, January 14, 2006 7:30 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by germanium

trainboyH16-44 - You're out with a girl and yet listening to trains ??? Confirms our suspicions !!
As a matter of interest, what is CP 2816 ?

MR G sir......
the 2816 is a royal hudson type steam locomotive.very nice! my son matthew and i were fortunate to see it come through on csx on his birthday june 2003!!!!.eventhough it had a soo sd 60 in front of it I knew that it would be a once in a lifetime chance.it was on a mantience check in the local yard and csx let people come in a photograph her.if you would like pics email me.
stay safe
Joe

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Posted by JoeKoh on Saturday, January 14, 2006 7:34 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSFrailfan.

Ya but the number one thing not to forget when you go Railfanning. The Smokes. Don't forget the Smokes.

we find the ge's in the consist do that quite well[;)]
stay safe
Joe

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Posted by germanium on Saturday, January 14, 2006 8:22 AM
JoeKoh - Offer much appreciated, and THANK YOU for the thought. Please, don't think me churlish in declining your kind offer, but I have seen many photos of these same Hudsons, and I'm quite happy with those. (Like your last post, regarding the smokes and GE's - HeeHeeHee !!)
I always feel that they were quite splendid-looking machines, ( the Hudsons I mean) but I don't know whether their performance was as good as their looks !!
There, I've come out of the closet !
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Posted by Tharmeni on Saturday, January 14, 2006 8:44 AM
spbed, suggest you lay off the wine on Friday nights...
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Posted by samfp1943 on Saturday, January 14, 2006 11:53 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith[#ditto][#ditto]

Chad, you forgot the "closet railfan"...people like me, who enjoy trains and all thing railroad related, but like to watch them go by from the comfort and shade of our car in a Carl's Jr parking lot. Also we generally dont carry a camera, or a schedule, or a scanner, won't hike 5 miles thru sagebrush and rattlesnakes to the place overlooking the "perfect" spot to take pics, and will never ever wear that stupid Engineers hat with enough logo pins stuck to it to sink a canoe with!

CLOSET RAILFANS UNITE!!! [8D][8D][8D]
CHAD AND V . SMITH are on the mark.
THat is the beauty of this avocation. It takes all kinds, and everybody brings something different to the table, all of it interesting.[bow]
Thanks.
Sam

 

 


 

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Posted by CShaveRR on Saturday, January 14, 2006 4:18 PM
Chad, believe it or not, there also exists such an animal as railroader (foamer). They don't usually last very long, though, because the other three railroader categories look upon them as being more than a little strange, even if they share the same sympathies at times. You can tell these guys some tall tales that they will later repeat as gospel.

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Posted by chad thomas on Saturday, January 14, 2006 6:41 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by trainboyH16-44

DING DING DING give the man a dollar!
I'm a bit of a foamer, but I'm laerning self-control..like if I go out with a girl, I no longer jump and turn my head at the sound of a distant train..
I was jumped by a true foamer once, he ruined a recording of CP 2816 I was trying to make because he wouln't shut up..*sigh*
I've had some interesting encounters with those types of railroaders..like this one cab ride I got. One railroader was a nice one, probably a closet railfan. Another was a regular railroader, and a third one was unknown..made for an interesting day..one grumbling about safety regulations, and the other telling me about what was going on..well, it was fun!
And one little tidbit, it turns out I have asperger's syndrome..makes perfect sense!


Hey Matthew,
You're statement about girlfriend's made me want to tell this story. I usually don't involve my girlfriends in my railfanning activities so they heve no clue what a junkie I am. So mostly the only thing out of the ordinary to them is all the train pics I have, that annoying scanner and the occasional detour into railroad locations (usually on road trips, you know I need to streach my legs dear) so it's not a problem.

I got involved with this girl a couple months ago though and I noticed she had a particular hatred of trains. Well I saw early on that she was no good anyway and I intentionally took her railfanning a bit too much. It only took a couple weeks and she was gone. I know that sounds chicken *** but this girl was a particularly delecate kind of phsyco and that was a gentle way out if you know what I mean.
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Posted by chad thomas on Saturday, January 14, 2006 6:43 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSFrailfan.

Ya but the number one thing not to forget when you go Railfanning. The Smokes. Don't forget the Smokes.


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Posted by chad thomas on Saturday, January 14, 2006 6:45 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Tharmeni

Chad - To add another dimension to the splendid field work you set out above, I also believe the male foamer - female non-railfan is the most volatile relationship on the planet.

[(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D] especially when the male foamer is dedicated to both.[(-D][(-D]
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Posted by chad thomas on Saturday, January 14, 2006 6:47 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed

H'mm if you have so much time on your hands to give what is your opinion of Americans then my I suggest you find some else to occupy you besides RRs. However. thank you for type casting the rest of us. [;)]


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Posted by chad thomas on Saturday, January 14, 2006 6:51 PM
Ok guys, I will make some modifications.

add a closet railfan catagory. Hmm, I'll have to think about that one.

And Carl, You put wrote that so well I think I will just cut and paste what you wrote

QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR

Chad, believe it or not, there also exists such an animal as railroader (foamer). They don't usually last very long, though, because the other three railroader categories look upon them as being more than a little strange, even if they share the same sympathies at times. You can tell these guys some tall tales that they will later repeat as gospel.

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