QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal I for one am glad Gunn is gone, he was not a team player, and his *vision* for Amtrak was nothing short of blind. The current modus operandi for Amtrak is a dead-ender, frankly always has been and always would be, and Gunn's penchant for continuing down that same path makes him a dead-ender as well. It isn't just Amtrak that needs change, it is the whole concept of rail passenger. We need someone who will drag the rail passenger communitiy kicking and screaming out of the 1930's logistics the rule the roost today, and start them down the path of fitting rail passenger concepts into the modern transportation network. You're right. Someone who's competent and capable of doing their job has no place in this administration. Anybody that runs a passenger railroad, improving customer service and increasing passenger carriage figures is definately screwing up. Maybe they should put a show horse judge in his place. How soon we forget how well the airlines provided passenger flights on September 11, 12, and 13. Oh wait, they were GROUNDED. Public transportation isn't on the minds of this "silver spoon" administration, they can just hop in their gas guzzling SUV's and go where and when they want. Hmmm, I guess it all comes down to your skewed definition of "competent". I guess in your world "competent" means complete aquiesence to anachronistic leftist *ideals*. David Gunn was incompetent. He was trying to keep Amtrak going down the road of outdated logistics. I would think even folks like you would admit that trying to run a transportation operation with outdated logistics is the poster child of incompetence, but of course your political views are also outdated, so at least your view of what is and isn't *competent* is consistent. Tell me, which *forward thinking* world leader do you admire the most? Castro? Schroeder? Chirac? Chavez?
QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal I for one am glad Gunn is gone, he was not a team player, and his *vision* for Amtrak was nothing short of blind. The current modus operandi for Amtrak is a dead-ender, frankly always has been and always would be, and Gunn's penchant for continuing down that same path makes him a dead-ender as well. It isn't just Amtrak that needs change, it is the whole concept of rail passenger. We need someone who will drag the rail passenger communitiy kicking and screaming out of the 1930's logistics the rule the roost today, and start them down the path of fitting rail passenger concepts into the modern transportation network. You're right. Someone who's competent and capable of doing their job has no place in this administration. Anybody that runs a passenger railroad, improving customer service and increasing passenger carriage figures is definately screwing up. Maybe they should put a show horse judge in his place. How soon we forget how well the airlines provided passenger flights on September 11, 12, and 13. Oh wait, they were GROUNDED. Public transportation isn't on the minds of this "silver spoon" administration, they can just hop in their gas guzzling SUV's and go where and when they want.
QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal I for one am glad Gunn is gone, he was not a team player, and his *vision* for Amtrak was nothing short of blind. The current modus operandi for Amtrak is a dead-ender, frankly always has been and always would be, and Gunn's penchant for continuing down that same path makes him a dead-ender as well. It isn't just Amtrak that needs change, it is the whole concept of rail passenger. We need someone who will drag the rail passenger communitiy kicking and screaming out of the 1930's logistics the rule the roost today, and start them down the path of fitting rail passenger concepts into the modern transportation network.
QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal Hey vsmith, not suprise you *talk* to the furniture. BC bud will have that affect on you.
Have fun with your trains
Quentin
QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar ....Well 2 and 2:30 have come and gone and found nothing on C-SPAN regarding broadcasting the recorded Hearings of 10 this morning....Dissapointing. If anyone sees where it will be broadcast later...please post it.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Big_Boy_4005 Hi, I'm running for president.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar Yes, I totally agree with above assessment of Rep. LaTourette's counting of the problems at hand concerning Amtrak and Mr. Gunn's firing....he seemed sharp on the subject and not by any means a yes man of the Administration. Now if I can find when C-SPAN is going to broadcast the 10 oclock hearing today.....If anyone sees the time please post it here.....Thanks.
QUOTE: Originally posted by jarubel I give up. It might be on C-Span tonight. Now the time has changed to 4:27 am. Keep checking the schedule if you want to catch it. http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/schedule.csp
QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl 1. Since St Paul is a "heavily Democratic City," how did a Republican mayor get elected in the first place?
QUOTE: 2. Since 35% of the poll respondents were Republican: a. How many were Democrat? b. How many were Independant?
QUOTE: Or are you trying to say that more Democrats are capable of independant thinking than Republicans?
QUOTE: The blame on Bush supporting them was REPORTED by the media. The original quotes come from the offices of the elected officials.
QUOTE: I guess an independant media is a bad thing. We really need more scripted "news conferences" like Bush has been holding over the past 5 years.
QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl 1. Since St Paul is a "heavily Democratic City," how did a Republican mayor get elected in the first place? Probably the democrats were all out getting stoned last time and forgot to vote.[:D] Seriously, you know nothing of political science. Remember Norm Coleman, the former mayor, former democrat turned Republican? Ever heard of coattails?
QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal QUOTE: 2. Since 35% of the poll respondents were Republican: a. How many were Democrat? b. How many were Independant? Well, Tommy, let's try some basic math. If 35% were Republican, you can subtract 35% from 100% and what do you get? That's right, 65%. So 65% of poll respondents were democrat/"independent". Good for you!! BTW, there's no need to break it down further, because democrats and so-called independents are pretty much the same. But for the sake of slaking curiosity, the figure I remember was 45% democrat, 20% "independent". And STILL avoiding the question so you have to guess at the answer. Yes, I'm glad you can do basic math, but the 65% WASN"T the question. Now read this S-L-O-W-L-Y so maybe you'll understand. In your narrow mind, there's the people who agree with you (Republicans in this case) and everybody else. People capable of wider thought patterns would be interested in how the Democrat and Independant part breaks down. So the 40% and 20% come under the heading of "43% of statistics are made up on the spot." Proven by your own statement "the figure I remember" which followed "Democrats and so called Independents are pretty much the same." Smile, it makes people wonder what you're up to. Chief of Sanitation; Clowntown Reply TomDiehl Member sinceFebruary 2001 From: Poconos, PA 3,948 posts Posted by TomDiehl on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:25 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl Or are you trying to say that more Democrats are capable of independant thinking than Republicans? LOL!! No, what I am saying is that most democrats these days are completely incapable of forming an independent political thought, which is why most of the Bush-bashers on this forum draw their views straight from the democrat playbook. Otherwise, there'd be enough of a segment of democrats who would admit that they have no evidence that Bush "manipulated data" to get us into war, and therefore, it is idiotic to suggest such a thing. Well YOU were the one that lumped them together (Democrats and Independents) so the statement was yours. You specifically separated Independant from Republicans. Most of them in Congress were rubber stamps for the President until recently. Would hardly call that "independant thought." Talk about a lame attempt to change the subject. How did the fact that Bush is accused of manipulating intellegence prior to the Iraqui war come into this? Further proof you have no clue what you're talking about.They started an INVESTIGATION into the allegations, but, as the supporters of the Patriot Act always say, "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about." Sort of like the investigation to see if Monica was under Clinton's desk. Smile, it makes people wonder what you're up to. Chief of Sanitation; Clowntown Reply TomDiehl Member sinceFebruary 2001 From: Poconos, PA 3,948 posts Posted by TomDiehl on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:34 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl The blame on Bush supporting them was REPORTED by the media. The original quotes come from the offices of the elected officials. Who taught you to write? That statement is so non-sensical and unstructured. So you're saying that the "blame" was "reported"? As opposed to not being reported? What has that got to do with anything? Are you saying the democrats (the source of the "blame") are the source of the slander that is being reported in the media? When has the media ever NOT been the sounding board for democrat talking points? Sounds like you need to invest a few bucks into a dictionary. Once again I'll try to say this S-L-O-W-L-Y. The statement came from the elected officials, that lost and were supported by Bush, to the media. If the media chose not to "report" it, (probably where the name Reporter comes from) you wouldn't hear it on the evening news. Sorry, can't dumb it down much more than that for you. When have they NOT been a sounding board for the Democrats? How about the last five years when the White House Press Corps has been selected and have to have their questions approved by the White House or they can't ask them. A point made more important by how well Bush did in the debates with Kerry. Smile, it makes people wonder what you're up to. Chief of Sanitation; Clowntown Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:34 PM BUSH is a Felon Let me guess, you have phony documents to prove it too. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:37 PM Your favorite rock is back. http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=49853 Reply Edit TomDiehl Member sinceFebruary 2001 From: Poconos, PA 3,948 posts Posted by TomDiehl on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:39 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl I guess an independant media is a bad thing. We really need more scripted "news conferences" like Bush has been holding over the past 5 years. The idea that the US media is "independent" is a joke, as per the last comment. When 80% of media members are admitted democrats, how can anyone make a statement of inference that the US media is "independent"? The only independent news source out there is FOX News, which has a myriad of conservative and liberal journalists making their opinions known. Yeah, they do have more conservatives than liberals, but that does not mirror the other networks, whose reporters are basically all liberals, with a token conservative thrown in now and then. Look at all the news shows on the other networks, you will typically have one conservative vs three or four liberals. Yeah, that's an independent media all right. (insert sarcastic smilie here) Another of the statistics that are made up on the spot? And where did this "80% of the media members are admitted Democrats" come from? So if you can't prove something you make up some "impressive sounding" numbers. Seems like you have a narrow minded view of the media mix. "3 or 4 liberals to one conservative," LMAO Your claims are so far out in left field they're laughable. Smile, it makes people wonder what you're up to. Chief of Sanitation; Clowntown Reply jeaton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Rockton, IL 4,821 posts Posted by jeaton on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:29 PM While media reports are quite sketchy, it appears that the hearing ran almost four and a half hours and is said to have been quite contentious. I would be interested in the reaction our forum neo-cons would have to the fact that the hearing was called by Steven LaTourette, REPUBLICAN Congressman from Ohio. No doubt, with a name like that he is actually a French mole that has inviltrated the Republican Party in an effort to destroy the President. The media reports that I have read indicates that the only committee member showing any support for the Amtrak Board action is Rep. Micah from Florida, who, I am sure is the only "true" Republican in the bunch. It should be noted that he has said that Amtrak should get of all the long distance trains except the Auto Train. However, thanks to futuremodal we all now know that we can't trust the media with its 80% liberal left commie democats in charge and it is very likely that actually everybody stood up a booed when Gunn presented his testomony. Well, at least the Republicans, because we know that the Democrats on the committee and that appeared are all a bunch of Bush haters. "We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo Possum "We have met the anemone... and he is Russ." Bucky Katt "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr, Nobel laureate in physics Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:34 PM Tom, Calling someone a liar is serious bussiness. You better get some proof of it quick, or are you just blowing smoke 45% of the time. Reply Edit TomDiehl Member sinceFebruary 2001 From: Poconos, PA 3,948 posts Posted by TomDiehl on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:40 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 Tom, Calling someone a liar is serious bussiness. You better get some proof of it quick, or are you just blowing smoke 45% of the time. Just asking where these "numbers and statistics" are coming from Smile, it makes people wonder what you're up to. Chief of Sanitation; Clowntown Reply jeaton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Rockton, IL 4,821 posts Posted by jeaton on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 11:16 PM By the way, Gunn testified today that he knew something was up when he saw representatives of an outside public relations firm setting up offices in Amtrak's PR Department Offices. Laney said they were brought in to handle publicity on Gunn's dismissal but he didn't remember the name of the firm. Surely they are volunteers. I can't imagine that the Board would spend scarce Amtrak dollars on an outside PR firm just to tell people that the Board has fired Gunn. "We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo Possum "We have met the anemone... and he is Russ." Bucky Katt "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr, Nobel laureate in physics Reply Big_Boy_4005 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: St Paul, MN 6,218 posts Posted by Big_Boy_4005 on Wednesday, November 16, 2005 12:04 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl 1. Since St Paul is a "heavily Democratic City," how did a Republican mayor get elected in the first place? Probably the democrats were all out getting stoned last time and forgot to vote.[:D] Seriously, you know nothing of political science. Remember Norm Coleman, the former mayor, former democrat turned Republican? Ever heard of coattails? So you're basically saying you have no clue what you're talking about. Not surprised. Tom, St Paul never elected a republican mayor in Norm Coleman. He switched parties, I believe mid term, then went on to the senate, as a hand picked Bush follower, leaving Randy Kelly in charge. It will be interesting if the senator suddenly grows a spine, and jumps ship from supporting the president. I thought I heard he voted against ANWR drilling. Personally, I'm not a tree hugger, and would like to see the oil tapped, but I also not in favor of trashing the place to do it. I'm back! Follow the progress: http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/displayForumTopic/content/12129987972340381/page/1 Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,096 posts Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, November 16, 2005 3:55 AM Myu comment is on the posting that says I mislead everyone and I need not comment further. I think my points summarized the issue pretty well, however. Reply Big_Boy_4005 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: St Paul, MN 6,218 posts Posted by Big_Boy_4005 on Wednesday, November 16, 2005 5:18 AM At about 3:30 AM I decided to flip on C-Span, and there it was in all it's glory on C-Span2, the hearing. As the time of this post it is still going on. Mr Mica (R-FL) is the only one who seems to be in support of the firing. A number of democrats have been trying to pin down responses from Laney and Rosen who are very slippery as both board members are lawyers. Basicly, Mr Gunn, the only railroad person on the board until his firing, does not agree with a number of plans that the board is trying to advance. The biggest of which is selling off the NEC. The administration is hell bent on breaking Amtrak up, and Gunn is not willing to do it. I'm back! Follow the progress: http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/displayForumTopic/content/12129987972340381/page/1 Reply oltmannd Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: Atlanta 11,971 posts Posted by oltmannd on Wednesday, November 16, 2005 7:23 AM "TV news" is an oxymoron, be it FOX, CNN, the networks or local news. One or two sentences written at the third grade level and a clip with a sound bite or two cannot be called "reporting". Forget the media - get it straight right here - no "balance" necessary! http://www.house.gov/transportation/rail/11-15-05/11-15-05memo.html -Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/) Reply 1234 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl Or are you trying to say that more Democrats are capable of independant thinking than Republicans? LOL!! No, what I am saying is that most democrats these days are completely incapable of forming an independent political thought, which is why most of the Bush-bashers on this forum draw their views straight from the democrat playbook. Otherwise, there'd be enough of a segment of democrats who would admit that they have no evidence that Bush "manipulated data" to get us into war, and therefore, it is idiotic to suggest such a thing. Well YOU were the one that lumped them together (Democrats and Independents) so the statement was yours. You specifically separated Independant from Republicans. Most of them in Congress were rubber stamps for the President until recently. Would hardly call that "independant thought." Talk about a lame attempt to change the subject. How did the fact that Bush is accused of manipulating intellegence prior to the Iraqui war come into this? Further proof you have no clue what you're talking about.They started an INVESTIGATION into the allegations, but, as the supporters of the Patriot Act always say, "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about." Sort of like the investigation to see if Monica was under Clinton's desk. Smile, it makes people wonder what you're up to. Chief of Sanitation; Clowntown Reply TomDiehl Member sinceFebruary 2001 From: Poconos, PA 3,948 posts Posted by TomDiehl on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:34 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl The blame on Bush supporting them was REPORTED by the media. The original quotes come from the offices of the elected officials. Who taught you to write? That statement is so non-sensical and unstructured. So you're saying that the "blame" was "reported"? As opposed to not being reported? What has that got to do with anything? Are you saying the democrats (the source of the "blame") are the source of the slander that is being reported in the media? When has the media ever NOT been the sounding board for democrat talking points? Sounds like you need to invest a few bucks into a dictionary. Once again I'll try to say this S-L-O-W-L-Y. The statement came from the elected officials, that lost and were supported by Bush, to the media. If the media chose not to "report" it, (probably where the name Reporter comes from) you wouldn't hear it on the evening news. Sorry, can't dumb it down much more than that for you. When have they NOT been a sounding board for the Democrats? How about the last five years when the White House Press Corps has been selected and have to have their questions approved by the White House or they can't ask them. A point made more important by how well Bush did in the debates with Kerry. Smile, it makes people wonder what you're up to. Chief of Sanitation; Clowntown Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:34 PM BUSH is a Felon Let me guess, you have phony documents to prove it too. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:37 PM Your favorite rock is back. http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=49853 Reply Edit TomDiehl Member sinceFebruary 2001 From: Poconos, PA 3,948 posts Posted by TomDiehl on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:39 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl I guess an independant media is a bad thing. We really need more scripted "news conferences" like Bush has been holding over the past 5 years. The idea that the US media is "independent" is a joke, as per the last comment. When 80% of media members are admitted democrats, how can anyone make a statement of inference that the US media is "independent"? The only independent news source out there is FOX News, which has a myriad of conservative and liberal journalists making their opinions known. Yeah, they do have more conservatives than liberals, but that does not mirror the other networks, whose reporters are basically all liberals, with a token conservative thrown in now and then. Look at all the news shows on the other networks, you will typically have one conservative vs three or four liberals. Yeah, that's an independent media all right. (insert sarcastic smilie here) Another of the statistics that are made up on the spot? And where did this "80% of the media members are admitted Democrats" come from? So if you can't prove something you make up some "impressive sounding" numbers. Seems like you have a narrow minded view of the media mix. "3 or 4 liberals to one conservative," LMAO Your claims are so far out in left field they're laughable. Smile, it makes people wonder what you're up to. Chief of Sanitation; Clowntown Reply jeaton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Rockton, IL 4,821 posts Posted by jeaton on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:29 PM While media reports are quite sketchy, it appears that the hearing ran almost four and a half hours and is said to have been quite contentious. I would be interested in the reaction our forum neo-cons would have to the fact that the hearing was called by Steven LaTourette, REPUBLICAN Congressman from Ohio. No doubt, with a name like that he is actually a French mole that has inviltrated the Republican Party in an effort to destroy the President. The media reports that I have read indicates that the only committee member showing any support for the Amtrak Board action is Rep. Micah from Florida, who, I am sure is the only "true" Republican in the bunch. It should be noted that he has said that Amtrak should get of all the long distance trains except the Auto Train. However, thanks to futuremodal we all now know that we can't trust the media with its 80% liberal left commie democats in charge and it is very likely that actually everybody stood up a booed when Gunn presented his testomony. Well, at least the Republicans, because we know that the Democrats on the committee and that appeared are all a bunch of Bush haters. "We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo Possum "We have met the anemone... and he is Russ." Bucky Katt "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr, Nobel laureate in physics Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:34 PM Tom, Calling someone a liar is serious bussiness. You better get some proof of it quick, or are you just blowing smoke 45% of the time. Reply Edit TomDiehl Member sinceFebruary 2001 From: Poconos, PA 3,948 posts Posted by TomDiehl on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:40 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 Tom, Calling someone a liar is serious bussiness. You better get some proof of it quick, or are you just blowing smoke 45% of the time. Just asking where these "numbers and statistics" are coming from Smile, it makes people wonder what you're up to. Chief of Sanitation; Clowntown Reply jeaton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Rockton, IL 4,821 posts Posted by jeaton on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 11:16 PM By the way, Gunn testified today that he knew something was up when he saw representatives of an outside public relations firm setting up offices in Amtrak's PR Department Offices. Laney said they were brought in to handle publicity on Gunn's dismissal but he didn't remember the name of the firm. Surely they are volunteers. I can't imagine that the Board would spend scarce Amtrak dollars on an outside PR firm just to tell people that the Board has fired Gunn. "We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo Possum "We have met the anemone... and he is Russ." Bucky Katt "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr, Nobel laureate in physics Reply Big_Boy_4005 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: St Paul, MN 6,218 posts Posted by Big_Boy_4005 on Wednesday, November 16, 2005 12:04 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl 1. Since St Paul is a "heavily Democratic City," how did a Republican mayor get elected in the first place? Probably the democrats were all out getting stoned last time and forgot to vote.[:D] Seriously, you know nothing of political science. Remember Norm Coleman, the former mayor, former democrat turned Republican? Ever heard of coattails? So you're basically saying you have no clue what you're talking about. Not surprised. Tom, St Paul never elected a republican mayor in Norm Coleman. He switched parties, I believe mid term, then went on to the senate, as a hand picked Bush follower, leaving Randy Kelly in charge. It will be interesting if the senator suddenly grows a spine, and jumps ship from supporting the president. I thought I heard he voted against ANWR drilling. Personally, I'm not a tree hugger, and would like to see the oil tapped, but I also not in favor of trashing the place to do it. I'm back! Follow the progress: http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/displayForumTopic/content/12129987972340381/page/1 Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,096 posts Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, November 16, 2005 3:55 AM Myu comment is on the posting that says I mislead everyone and I need not comment further. I think my points summarized the issue pretty well, however. Reply Big_Boy_4005 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: St Paul, MN 6,218 posts Posted by Big_Boy_4005 on Wednesday, November 16, 2005 5:18 AM At about 3:30 AM I decided to flip on C-Span, and there it was in all it's glory on C-Span2, the hearing. As the time of this post it is still going on. Mr Mica (R-FL) is the only one who seems to be in support of the firing. A number of democrats have been trying to pin down responses from Laney and Rosen who are very slippery as both board members are lawyers. Basicly, Mr Gunn, the only railroad person on the board until his firing, does not agree with a number of plans that the board is trying to advance. The biggest of which is selling off the NEC. The administration is hell bent on breaking Amtrak up, and Gunn is not willing to do it. I'm back! Follow the progress: http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/displayForumTopic/content/12129987972340381/page/1 Reply oltmannd Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: Atlanta 11,971 posts Posted by oltmannd on Wednesday, November 16, 2005 7:23 AM "TV news" is an oxymoron, be it FOX, CNN, the networks or local news. One or two sentences written at the third grade level and a clip with a sound bite or two cannot be called "reporting". Forget the media - get it straight right here - no "balance" necessary! http://www.house.gov/transportation/rail/11-15-05/11-15-05memo.html -Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/) Reply 1234 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl Or are you trying to say that more Democrats are capable of independant thinking than Republicans? LOL!! No, what I am saying is that most democrats these days are completely incapable of forming an independent political thought, which is why most of the Bush-bashers on this forum draw their views straight from the democrat playbook. Otherwise, there'd be enough of a segment of democrats who would admit that they have no evidence that Bush "manipulated data" to get us into war, and therefore, it is idiotic to suggest such a thing.
Or are you trying to say that more Democrats are capable of independant thinking than Republicans?
QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl The blame on Bush supporting them was REPORTED by the media. The original quotes come from the offices of the elected officials. Who taught you to write? That statement is so non-sensical and unstructured. So you're saying that the "blame" was "reported"? As opposed to not being reported? What has that got to do with anything? Are you saying the democrats (the source of the "blame") are the source of the slander that is being reported in the media? When has the media ever NOT been the sounding board for democrat talking points?
QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl The blame on Bush supporting them was REPORTED by the media. The original quotes come from the offices of the elected officials.
QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl I guess an independant media is a bad thing. We really need more scripted "news conferences" like Bush has been holding over the past 5 years. The idea that the US media is "independent" is a joke, as per the last comment. When 80% of media members are admitted democrats, how can anyone make a statement of inference that the US media is "independent"? The only independent news source out there is FOX News, which has a myriad of conservative and liberal journalists making their opinions known. Yeah, they do have more conservatives than liberals, but that does not mirror the other networks, whose reporters are basically all liberals, with a token conservative thrown in now and then. Look at all the news shows on the other networks, you will typically have one conservative vs three or four liberals. Yeah, that's an independent media all right. (insert sarcastic smilie here)
QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl I guess an independant media is a bad thing. We really need more scripted "news conferences" like Bush has been holding over the past 5 years.
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QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 Tom, Calling someone a liar is serious bussiness. You better get some proof of it quick, or are you just blowing smoke 45% of the time.
QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl 1. Since St Paul is a "heavily Democratic City," how did a Republican mayor get elected in the first place? Probably the democrats were all out getting stoned last time and forgot to vote.[:D] Seriously, you know nothing of political science. Remember Norm Coleman, the former mayor, former democrat turned Republican? Ever heard of coattails? So you're basically saying you have no clue what you're talking about. Not surprised.
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