Another tragic mistake.

[TomDiehl]

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

QUOTE: Originally posted by espeefoamer

The boyfriend should have been charged too,and both should have been thrown in jail immediately[:(!]!

and how would this help them and the child?

For one thing, it would remove this child and any other childeren she has from such dangerous custody. Almost any foster parents would be smarter than this moron.

Well, why don't we ask the child with whoom would she rather live.
I know I soure wouldn't like someone I don't even know decide where I'm going to live.

Your choice of words "rather live" and "going to live" I find interesting in this case. After the moron mother's actions, it's a miracle that she is still alive. Obviously her own child's welfare is not in her mind.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

QUOTE: Originally posted by farmer03

maybe someone already suggested this but i'm too lazy to read thru every post which is usually the same. but a crime should be 'repaid' eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. run the mom's arm over with a train to even the score for effin up her daughter.

the mother obviously must not be all that great if the kids live with their father and he has primary custody (dunno if that's a proper term or not but you get the idea).

What happened to christian values of turning the other cheek?
Well, Jesus must have been a fool then...

Jesus wasn't stupid or lazy enough to lead small children through such a dangerous situation when the safe way of passage wasn't that far away.

Well I didn't have Jesus in mind as an examplary parent, but as an examplary judge

[Anonymous]

The choice of emotions for this situation comes down to a simple little question:
Did the mother intent for the child to lose her arm?

of course not.

maybe she is not a good parent because she doesn't pay attention to some things, maybe it is even better for the girl to live with someone else who can take care of her,
but non of that means we should be angry at the mother.

[TomDiehl]

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

The choice of emotions for this situation comes down to a simple little question:
Did the mother intent for the child to lose her arm?

of course not.

maybe she is not a good parent because she doesn't pay attention to some things, maybe it is even better for the girl to live with someone else who can take care of her,
but non of that means we should be angry at the mother.

And why not? Her extreme stupidity is what caused her daughter to lose her arm. Intended to or not has nothing to do with emotions. She obviously isn't fit to raise childern and have them live to adulthood.

[TomDiehl]

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

QUOTE: Originally posted by farmer03

maybe someone already suggested this but i'm too lazy to read thru every post which is usually the same. but a crime should be 'repaid' eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. run the mom's arm over with a train to even the score for effin up her daughter.

the mother obviously must not be all that great if the kids live with their father and he has primary custody (dunno if that's a proper term or not but you get the idea).

What happened to christian values of turning the other cheek?
Well, Jesus must have been a fool then...

Jesus wasn't stupid or lazy enough to lead small children through such a dangerous situation when the safe way of passage wasn't that far away.

Well I didn't have Jesus in mind as an examplary parent, but as an examplary judge

Oh yeah, this is a REAL good example to set for your children. (the "REAL" is in caps to show the sarcasm)

[chad thomas]

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

The choice of emotions for this situation comes down to a simple little question:
Did the mother intent for the child to lose her arm?

of course not.

maybe she is not a good parent because she doesn't pay attention to some things, maybe it is even better for the girl to live with someone else who can take care of her,
but non of that means we should be angry at the mother.

Remember the one about the log in the eye?[B)] Some people are un aware that they live in glass houses.[X-)]

If there is anything to be angry about it's the educational systems failure to produce intelegent people. And parents that don't teach there children common sense can share the blame here too. This woman probably had no clue how dangerous an act she was commiting before the accident. If she had a clue do you really think she would have taken the risk with herself and her children? I think not. If you want something to be angry about, be angry with how many clueless there are out there these days. I guess it's all part of the "dumbing of America", The same program that is slowly but surely stripping us of our rights and pointing us in the direction of revolution. No worries here though, I'll have my rifle in one hand and my BIBLE in the other.[;)]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

The choice of emotions for this situation comes down to a simple little question:
Did the mother intent for the child to lose her arm?

of course not.

maybe she is not a good parent because she doesn't pay attention to some things, maybe it is even better for the girl to live with someone else who can take care of her,
but non of that means we should be angry at the mother.

And why not? Her extreme stupidity is what caused her daughter to lose her arm. Intended to or not has nothing to do with emotions. She obviously isn't fit to raise childern and have them live to adulthood.

ok, let's turn the thing around.
Let's supose you were born stupid, and then you have a child (because you are stupid to understand that you are too stupid to take care of a child) , and because of your stupidity the child gets hurt,
and then tons of people start hating you for it, how would you feel?

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

The choice of emotions for this situation comes down to a simple little question:
Did the mother intent for the child to lose her arm?

of course not.

maybe she is not a good parent because she doesn't pay attention to some things, maybe it is even better for the girl to live with someone else who can take care of her,
but non of that means we should be angry at the mother.

No worries here though, I'll have my rifle in one hand and my BIBLE in the other.[;)]

What a combination.
I don't think these two really mix, at least not the new testament [:D]

[chad thomas]

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

The choice of emotions for this situation comes down to a simple little question:
Did the mother intent for the child to lose her arm?

of course not.

maybe she is not a good parent because she doesn't pay attention to some things, maybe it is even better for the girl to live with someone else who can take care of her,
but non of that means we should be angry at the mother.

No worries here though, I'll have my rifle in one hand and my BIBLE in the other.[;)]

What a combination.
I don't think these two really mix, at least not the new testament [:D]

Well, this isn't the place to discuss this so I'm not going to. I agree with you though, it doesn't help anything to be angry at the stupid.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

The choice of emotions for this situation comes down to a simple little question:
Did the mother intent for the child to lose her arm?

of course not.

maybe she is not a good parent because she doesn't pay attention to some things, maybe it is even better for the girl to live with someone else who can take care of her,
but non of that means we should be angry at the mother.

No worries here though, I'll have my rifle in one hand and my BIBLE in the other.[;)]

What a combination.
I don't think these two really mix, at least not the new testament [:D]

Well, this isn't the place to discuss this so I'm not going to. I agree with you though, it doesn't help anything to be angry at the stupid.

yea, this is really starting to go out of topic now.
There is one thing we all agree on, trains are dangerous, and it takes extra caution when you are around them.

I have a couple of similar examples.
-When my father was little, they were playing hide and seek around boxcars, and on of his friends hid under one of the boxcars, the train started moving, and the kid lost both his legs. He survived, but was in a wheelchair all his life.

-on the station iz Zagreb (capital of Croatia), a railroad worker got killed by a freight train (in station!!). I think he somehow fell under the wheels somewhere in the middle of the train (so the engineer didn't see him), no idea how. He was working on the railroads for 40 years, and after 40 years he died like this.

You can never be to cautious, even after 40 years of working on railroad.

Being angry at cases like this is a waste of energy, being cautious in the future, and learning something from it is much more usefull

[traintownofcowee]

Some people are that stupid. There are too many dumb ***** in this world. I mean really, who in there right mind would let there kids go playing near a idleing locomotive. It's not right at all. I hope the kids are alright, but that person can go to ****!

C U L8TER!!!
[:D][8D][:)][:(][:P][;)][|(][{(-_-)}][(-D][:-^][zzz]

[Anonymous]

So make it sound as if people chose to be stupid.
If stupidity was a choice, would you chose to be stupid or would you rather be smart?

[Anonymous]

As well as the girl perhaps we should also think of the train crew involved in this incident. As a former driver for British rail I was involved in a similar incident and was not aware until stopped and advised by a signal man. the feeling of being involved in an accident such as this is indescriable and the feeling of guilt will probably be felt as well. No one seems to realise that accidents such as these do not only affect the victim but the train crew as well, and I for one wi***hem well.

[tree68]

I read one of those things that makes the rounds of the Internet a while back. Something to the effect that by all rights, most of us Boomers shouldn't even be alive now - we drank from the hose, didn't get our scrapes doctored immediately, etc, etc. The closing portion of the piece points out that all of the things that could have killed us were part of our risk-taking environment, which was also a rich learning environment, and that those same boomers have lead us to many of the breakthroughs we now enjoy the fruits of.

The piece also implies that we are raising a generation that doesn't have to take risks, and isn't used to making mistakes and learning from them. The isolation from threat is part of what caused this accident - mom had probably never experienced a non-moving train that started to move.

As was mentioned, our schools, in their efforts to improve education, are in reality turning out large numbers of kids with lots of academic credentials, but danged few life skills. Many of the social and cultural customs we used to count as part of life have been removed. In my high school there were just six varsity cheerleaders (in a school of over 1000 students). The girls had to try out, and some didn't make it. Same with the other sports teams. Nowadays, "no cut" policies abound. Show up and you're on the team.

[icmr]

[#welcome][#welcome][#welcome][#welcome] to the forum simon sargeant.


I think she should be thrown under a train going 80mph. Also, she should have been arrested on site and not given any time with her daughter. I hope she gets at least 25 years in prison.

I have a question, Is she getting charged with tresspassing?



ICMR

Happy Railroading.[swg][swg]

[Anonymous]

I've had it with this thread, more frustrated people comming with murder desires, I won't reply here anymore.

[TomDiehl]

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

The choice of emotions for this situation comes down to a simple little question:
Did the mother intent for the child to lose her arm?

of course not.

maybe she is not a good parent because she doesn't pay attention to some things, maybe it is even better for the girl to live with someone else who can take care of her,
but non of that means we should be angry at the mother.

And why not? Her extreme stupidity is what caused her daughter to lose her arm. Intended to or not has nothing to do with emotions. She obviously isn't fit to raise childern and have them live to adulthood.

ok, let's turn the thing around.
Let's supose you were born stupid, and then you have a child (because you are stupid to understand that you are too stupid to take care of a child) , and because of your stupidity the child gets hurt,
and then tons of people start hating you for it, how would you feel?

That's known as "Darwinism." Let me turn the question back around to you. According to the story the woman has two other children. Should we give them all back to her and see if she can maim and/or kill them too? Would you just stand there and watch her do something so stupid that this would happen? If she crawled under a truck stopped at a traffic light, it would be just as stupid, with the same possible results.

I don't know how things are in your country, but here we tend to try to protect childern from such actions by adults. We have a thing in our laws called "reckless endangerment of a minor" which is pretty much what this was. Maybe the children in your country are just throw-away, but here, we have a tendency to care about them.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

The choice of emotions for this situation comes down to a simple little question:
Did the mother intent for the child to lose her arm?

of course not.

maybe she is not a good parent because she doesn't pay attention to some things, maybe it is even better for the girl to live with someone else who can take care of her,
but non of that means we should be angry at the mother.

And why not? Her extreme stupidity is what caused her daughter to lose her arm. Intended to or not has nothing to do with emotions. She obviously isn't fit to raise childern and have them live to adulthood.

ok, let's turn the thing around.
Let's supose you were born stupid, and then you have a child (because you are stupid to understand that you are too stupid to take care of a child) , and because of your stupidity the child gets hurt,
and then tons of people start hating you for it, how would you feel?

That's known as "Darwinism." Let me turn the question back around to you. According to the story the woman has two other children. Should we give them all back to her and see if she can maim and/or kill them too? Would you just stand there and watch her do something so stupid that this would happen? If she crawled under a truck stopped at a traffic light, it would be just as stupid, with the same possible results.

I don't know how things are in your country, but here we tend to try to protect childern from such actions by adults. We have a thing in our laws called "reckless endangerment of a minor" which is pretty much what this was. Maybe the children in your country are just throw-away, but here, we have a tendency to care about them.

yea, we are a special breed of humans that hate their own children

[TomDiehl]

QUOTE: Originally posted by tree68

I read one of those things that makes the rounds of the Internet a while back. Something to the effect that by all rights, most of us Boomers shouldn't even be alive now - we drank from the hose, didn't get our scrapes doctored immediately, etc, etc. The closing portion of the piece points out that all of the things that could have killed us were part of our risk-taking environment, which was also a rich learning environment, and that those same boomers have lead us to many of the breakthroughs we now enjoy the fruits of.

The piece also implies that we are raising a generation that doesn't have to take risks, and isn't used to making mistakes and learning from them. The isolation from threat is part of what caused this accident - mom had probably never experienced a non-moving train that started to move.

As was mentioned, our schools, in their efforts to improve education, are in reality turning out large numbers of kids with lots of academic credentials, but danged few life skills. Many of the social and cultural customs we used to count as part of life have been removed. In my high school there were just six varsity cheerleaders (in a school of over 1000 students). The girls had to try out, and some didn't make it. Same with the other sports teams. Nowadays, "no cut" policies abound. Show up and you're on the team.

Not quite the same thing, Tree68. The 7 year old girl was under the direct supevision of her mother, who directed her to crawl under the train.

[TomDiehl]

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

The choice of emotions for this situation comes down to a simple little question:
Did the mother intent for the child to lose her arm?

of course not.

maybe she is not a good parent because she doesn't pay attention to some things, maybe it is even better for the girl to live with someone else who can take care of her,
but non of that means we should be angry at the mother.

And why not? Her extreme stupidity is what caused her daughter to lose her arm. Intended to or not has nothing to do with emotions. She obviously isn't fit to raise childern and have them live to adulthood.

ok, let's turn the thing around.
Let's supose you were born stupid, and then you have a child (because you are stupid to understand that you are too stupid to take care of a child) , and because of your stupidity the child gets hurt,
and then tons of people start hating you for it, how would you feel?

That's known as "Darwinism." Let me turn the question back around to you. According to the story the woman has two other children. Should we give them all back to her and see if she can maim and/or kill them too? Would you just stand there and watch her do something so stupid that this would happen? If she crawled under a truck stopped at a traffic light, it would be just as stupid, with the same possible results.

I don't know how things are in your country, but here we tend to try to protect childern from such actions by adults. We have a thing in our laws called "reckless endangerment of a minor" which is pretty much what this was. Maybe the children in your country are just throw-away, but here, we have a tendency to care about them.

yea, we are a special breed of humans that hate their own children

Your replies certainly imply that you don't care, just put them back under proven dangerous supervision.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

The choice of emotions for this situation comes down to a simple little question:
Did the mother intent for the child to lose her arm?

of course not.

maybe she is not a good parent because she doesn't pay attention to some things, maybe it is even better for the girl to live with someone else who can take care of her,
but non of that means we should be angry at the mother.

And why not? Her extreme stupidity is what caused her daughter to lose her arm. Intended to or not has nothing to do with emotions. She obviously isn't fit to raise childern and have them live to adulthood.

ok, let's turn the thing around.
Let's supose you were born stupid, and then you have a child (because you are stupid to understand that you are too stupid to take care of a child) , and because of your stupidity the child gets hurt,
and then tons of people start hating you for it, how would you feel?

That's known as "Darwinism." Let me turn the question back around to you. According to the story the woman has two other children. Should we give them all back to her and see if she can maim and/or kill them too? Would you just stand there and watch her do something so stupid that this would happen? If she crawled under a truck stopped at a traffic light, it would be just as stupid, with the same possible results.

I don't know how things are in your country, but here we tend to try to protect childern from such actions by adults. We have a thing in our laws called "reckless endangerment of a minor" which is pretty much what this was. Maybe the children in your country are just throw-away, but here, we have a tendency to care about them.

I've seen insults here before, but saying children in his country are "throw away?"

m

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

The choice of emotions for this situation comes down to a simple little question:
Did the mother intent for the child to lose her arm?

of course not.

maybe she is not a good parent because she doesn't pay attention to some things, maybe it is even better for the girl to live with someone else who can take care of her,
but non of that means we should be angry at the mother.

And why not? Her extreme stupidity is what caused her daughter to lose her arm. Intended to or not has nothing to do with emotions. She obviously isn't fit to raise childern and have them live to adulthood.

ok, let's turn the thing around.
Let's supose you were born stupid, and then you have a child (because you are stupid to understand that you are too stupid to take care of a child) , and because of your stupidity the child gets hurt,
and then tons of people start hating you for it, how would you feel?

That's known as "Darwinism." Let me turn the question back around to you. According to the story the woman has two other children. Should we give them all back to her and see if she can maim and/or kill them too? Would you just stand there and watch her do something so stupid that this would happen? If she crawled under a truck stopped at a traffic light, it would be just as stupid, with the same possible results.

I don't know how things are in your country, but here we tend to try to protect childern from such actions by adults. We have a thing in our laws called "reckless endangerment of a minor" which is pretty much what this was. Maybe the children in your country are just throw-away, but here, we have a tendency to care about them.

yea, we are a special breed of humans that hate their own children

Your replies certainly imply that you don't care, just put them back under proven dangerous supervision.

Well, then you must have been reading between the lines.

Locking someone up or removing his child, and being angry at him and hate him are not the same things.
One thing is doing something for someones protection, and another thing is doing the same thing out of revenge. The first can be a noble thing, the second is selfcentered.

What I'm against is the attitude, not the actions.

Justice system should be based on protection of free citizens, not on revenge.

[Anonymous]

Wow this thread is in need of enema :)

[edblysard]

True, but in most systems of justice, children under the age of 18 are not free citizens, but are the direct responsibility of the adult guardian, both in their action and their safety, in this instance, the mother.
Do I hate the mother?
No, I don’t know her personally, but I do hate the fact that she made a choice, a very bad choice, that resulted in the maiming of a child.
The action she took, I can hate...I can assume it was out of laziness, because an alternate safe route was available to them.

You can't write this off to a simple case of momentary stupidity, any reasonable person can asses the situation and decide that crawling under a train is dangerous, even the dumbest of us can take one look and decide that...so her motivation was taking a shortcut, knowingly putting her child in a position of danger, on purpose, because she made a choice not to use the overpass.

After all, the story made no mention of anyone forcing her to crawl under the train at gunpoint, so I am left with the only alternative, that she chose to do so of her own free will.

Not only that, but she chose to endanger the life and well being of two other children, one of which she was babysitting...a situation where someone had placed their child with her and trusted her to protect that child...and she violated that responsibility and trust completely.

Which leads me to the conclusion that she didn’t assign very much value to her child's life and safety, nor that of the other children she was entrusted with...that’s a choice and a attitude I can hate.

Ed

[Anonymous]

Well, I'm not sure how much is it possible to hate an inanimus object or a concept without hating the person to whom that concept is tied to.

And as for her free will, yea, she made a free choice, nobody is questioning that here.
But free choices can still be stupid. People make bad choices all the time, that is why so many are unhappy in this world, that's why there has been so much blood in the history of earth, and that's why the whole thing barely works together.
It's a miracle that the cold war ended without the whole earth being blown into nuclear dust.

People simply are full of bad choices because they are generally stupid.
I don't hate people for it, because I'm one of them, I am as stupid as an avarage human is, so I only feel sorry for people in general.

[ChrisBARailfan]

This post was never intended to discuss worldwide issues as education and intelligence. I am sorry I ever posted this in the beginning.

It seems we have devolved from how one person made a mistake into how two cultures differ on punishment and.....oh nevermind.

[Anonymous]

after i re-read the first post for the facts, it appears they are minimal, and most of the previous three pages are built on speculation, emotion, and a good measure of hatefulness.

it makes me want to take up slotcars.

i hope the best for those directly connected to this trajedy, and i fear this mob.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by ChrisBARailfan

This post was never intended to discuss worldwide issues as education and intelligence. I am sorry I ever posted this in the beginning.

It seems we have devolved from how one person made a mistake into how two cultures differ on punishment and.....oh nevermind.

Are you saying that I am a representative of a different culture? lol
You think Europe is that different from US in terms of the way people think?
Even if it were, believe me, I am NOT a representative of my country in the way I think. And besides, I doubt a single man can be a representative of a country, cause a country is just a large bunch of people, each person being a different species of his own.

[edblysard]

I don’t know,
I can hate the concept of war, yet glorify a person who fights one with bravery and courage.

As for people in general being stupid, I don’t agree.

The very fact that we didn’t, or have yet to fight the ultimate war says a lot about our ability to learn from our mistakes.

True, we all do "stupid" things, any one who has every been in any kind of accident can find a moment of "stupidity" that leads to the accident...

And yes, you can hate inanimate objects. I hate squash will all my might, it is the nastiest food on the planet!
And it is possible to hate a political concept...after all, I was raised right smack in the middle of the cold war, as I believe you were, and we were both raised to hate the others concept of government...both as a matter of national policy, and in my case, a personal dislike...my Dad was a Chief Petty Officer in the US Navy...

That said, I can also add that, after doing a lot of reading, study, and some travel, I came to my own conclusion that the Soviet system, while bound to fail, was just about the only alternative available at the time of the revolution; it, or something like it, was inevitable at the time.

But the ability of humans to choose their own course had made that form of government obsolete, the fact that it denied the individual the right to chose for themselves did it in...The very fact that you can write here, on an internet forum seen worldwide, from your country should tell you that the ability to choose for ones self is a tremendous freedom.

Sadly, the child in the story had no such freedom; she was only doing what her mom told her to do...the responsibility rest completely with the parent.

I see people do stupid things around trains every day, and for the most part, none of it is accidental stupidity, it is almost always a premeditated choice on their part to do something dangerous and stupid...it doesn’t take any real common sense to realize the fact that if the train runs over you, you will get killed or maimed.

This story is a clear cut example of someone choosing to be lazy and stupid; they have no excuse for their actions, none at all.

Ed

[TomDiehl]

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

The choice of emotions for this situation comes down to a simple little question:
Did the mother intent for the child to lose her arm?

of course not.

maybe she is not a good parent because she doesn't pay attention to some things, maybe it is even better for the girl to live with someone else who can take care of her,
but non of that means we should be angry at the mother.

And why not? Her extreme stupidity is what caused her daughter to lose her arm. Intended to or not has nothing to do with emotions. She obviously isn't fit to raise childern and have them live to adulthood.

ok, let's turn the thing around.
Let's supose you were born stupid, and then you have a child (because you are stupid to understand that you are too stupid to take care of a child) , and because of your stupidity the child gets hurt,
and then tons of people start hating you for it, how would you feel?

That's known as "Darwinism." Let me turn the question back around to you. According to the story the woman has two other children. Should we give them all back to her and see if she can maim and/or kill them too? Would you just stand there and watch her do something so stupid that this would happen? If she crawled under a truck stopped at a traffic light, it would be just as stupid, with the same possible results.

I don't know how things are in your country, but here we tend to try to protect childern from such actions by adults. We have a thing in our laws called "reckless endangerment of a minor" which is pretty much what this was. Maybe the children in your country are just throw-away, but here, we have a tendency to care about them.

yea, we are a special breed of humans that hate their own children

Your replies certainly imply that you don't care, just put them back under proven dangerous supervision.

Well, then you must have been reading between the lines.

Locking someone up or removing his child, and being angry at him and hate him are not the same things.
One thing is doing something for someones protection, and another thing is doing the same thing out of revenge. The first can be a noble thing, the second is selfcentered.

What I'm against is the attitude, not the actions.

Justice system should be based on protection of free citizens, not on revenge.

You seem to be reading between MY lines. I'm for the idea of removing the children from her custody because she's proven she's incapable of making decisions to do the things to keep them safe. Her only concern was a "shortcut" which endangered all 3 of her children. She should get jail time for this "reckless endangerment."

At no time did I mention "death penalty" or "revenge."