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Posted by chad thomas on Monday, September 19, 2005 11:49 AM
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If they don't appriciate the help, I say send em' home (or where home used to be)
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Posted by CShaveRR on Monday, September 19, 2005 11:32 AM
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Posted by SALfan on Monday, September 19, 2005 10:38 AM
Thanks, Ed, for bringing out into the open the attitudes of the evacuees. "The world owes me (fill in the blank) because I want it." Sounds like a typical inmate attitude - everything is somebody else's fault, I never had a chance, or even "The *** set me up", to quote a former mayor of Sodom-on-the-Potomac after being videotaped buying crack. Some of us deal with this attitude every day, and know exactly what you are talking about.
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Posted by samfp1943 on Monday, September 19, 2005 8:28 AM
There is a lot of truth in these threads and all I can say to Ed is "AMEN"

 

 


 

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Posted by Modelcar on Monday, September 19, 2005 8:21 AM
...Agree 100% of what Ed has posted. Period.
.....David....Surely we can keep Limbaugh out of this discussion....We need positive thinking folks not dividers.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 19, 2005 8:08 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

Sarah,
I do agree that the comment made might be somewhat lacking in tacit and taste...but what you might not know is both the former President, and his First Lady, are doing public service messages here locally, for free, and working behind the scenes to raise money, and organize efforts to find housing for a lot of these folks...the National press loves to report on the stupid things famous people say, but rarely reports on the good things they do.

On another note, I volunteered to hand out donated backpacks and school supplies to the kids who were registering at our schools...
Their parents were some of the most rude and obnoxious people I have ever dealt with, and I worked for my States Attorney General for almost 9 years in the welfare fraud recovery and Child Support division.

So you don’t need to lecture me about poverty, or disenfranchised people...

I was handing out free school supplies to people wearing gold chains, and gold nugget rings that cost at least as much as I make in a month...I saw more diamond earrings and nose rings in a day than I have seen in my entire life, not the cheapy studs you get for free with a piercing, but the Zales quality stuff, all the while they are screaming at me to give their kid more free stuff...
Demanding I give their kids an extra box of (fill in the blank) because they have a cousin, niece, nephew, little brother ...you get the point.
One woman told me she had twins, but could only bring one of them with her today…yeah, right, and I just fell off the turnip truck!

Now if they were really poor in the first place, how did they afford all that gold and diamonds?
And if they need money, well, Houston has a lot of pawn shops...

If you are basing your knowledge of the type of people in the Astrodome on the TV news reports, then you missed about 3/4 of the people there...all the National TV News shows are the old people in wheelchairs or on crutches...after all, these people make better TV than a 25 year old man, who has no disability at all, trying to spend his FEMA money on beer, or a line of people, none of whom are in wheelchairs, standing around on the corner of West Ridge and Kirby, running when the cops show up, tossing their baggies of meth and crack till it almost looks like it snowed...HPD has opened a store front office and holding cell on Main and Westridge for the prostitutes they round up, and increased the patrols in that area, cops are working double shifts.

You wont see that on Primetime, or any nationwide TV because the producers and executives know that the public image of all there poor people needs to be kept intact, so the money and relief effort keeps going...if John Q Public realized that their tax dollars were being spent on dope and beer, they would raise all kinds of Cain...the majority of the money is being spent on stuff like that, instead of being used to rent an apartment, or buy clothes or find a job...regardless of what is being shown and written, quite a lot of these folks resent being moved again, they are under the impression they can live there till New Orleans is rebuilt...and if not there, then somewhere free....the local ABC affiliate had a lady on last night who was really mad because no one would give her a cell phone...to quote...”how are we supposed to call our loved ones and tell them where we are if nobody will give us a phone?"

As if having a cell phone was a birth right, or a basic necessity and she was entitled to a free one in the first place.

I don’t know, but I am pretty sure that giving out cell phones for free is not part of the FEMA plan, and it shouldn’t be...if she wants a phone, she should take one her $2000.00 master cards and buy one...but she showed not one bit of thanks for the food, clothes, and the roof over her head, all free...instead, she is complaining she doesn’t have a cell phone...

Don’t know if you have ever been to New Orleans, and if you have, then I would bet you didn’t leave the French Quarter, or get too far off Bourbon Street...if you had, you would be completely shocked at how trashy and run down that city really was...most of it looked like New York ghettos in the late 50s early 60s...nothing but miles of public housing....burned out buildings and burned up, abandoned cars...
We had a local TV news clip showing a pair of Crescent City's female cops, inside a New Orleans department store...looting the store...they were walking around, pushing a basket, loading up on, not food or water, but clothes and small appliances, designer shoes, hand bags...all the while watching the local hoodlums carry off the TVs and dishwashers...and when confronted by the reporter, they just shoved him out of the store, and told him they would arrest him for interfering with the police if he didn’t leave...New Orleans finest at their finest...

While I do feel compassion for the truly ill, the old, and the kids who had no choice....I don’t bat a eye saying that most of the ones who stayed, got stuck, and then sat around in the superdome whining about someone having to come and get them, were the home grown criminals and the looters...don’t tell me the "poor" couldn’t get out of the city...the poor in Biloxi and other cities managed to leave...most of the superdome folks stayed because they wanted to, not because they had to...now they want someone, anyone but themselves, to fix things up for them...as far as I am concerned, if they refuse to help themselves, then tough, when December rolls around, and the Astrodome management decides to reopen the Dome for its regular schedule, then they can all get on buses back to Louisiana and go home.

And I don’t know if this made the National news or not, but the local amusement park, Astroworld, part of the Six Flags corporation, is closing for good...because they rely on the Astrodome parking facility and the Astrodome and Reliant Arena to bring people into the area...and with all the crime and sudden lack of parking, added to the fact that if you do manage to find a place to park around the dome, you can almost count on having a window busted out and your stereo boosted, and the fact that HPD has stated that, if you don’t have business in the area, they would like you to stay away, their gate fare has dropped to the point they cant remain open...they lost almost a months worth of gate receipts in business because people are afraid to go near the place anymore...

Bluntly put, what we expected were refugees, people who would be thankful for the help, and then set out to rebuild their life here, find a job and become a useful part of the city...what we got was a Domed Stadium full of squatters...
None of whom seem to have a problem telling you they are somehow entitled to... (Fill in the blank)
Ed



Ed

You are wasting your time telling us about the truth, most of the Bush and republican bashers here and in our country turn a deaf ear to anything that hurts or ruins their agenda. You have posted some pretty descriptive stories, that I have personally repeated to others so they can have another side to all this, many liberals just ignore it and keep saying how Bush, FEMA and Limbaugh are ruining America.

Thanks for your input, thanks for your help, and thanks for not ringing any necks that would yours if given the chance.
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Posted by dmcclendon on Monday, September 19, 2005 2:31 AM
Here's another thought we were discussing at work. Watching CNN and other outlets, How can someone being evacuated lose their child? What did they do get on one bus and the kids get on another?

I have heard similar stories like Ed's in several communities big and small. I have heard alot of quotes good, bad, sad and even funny. I see a lot of officials covering their "behinds" by blaming everyone else. The fact is this was a MAJOR disaster not just for NO, but for states of La, MS and AL. There are towns that were wiped clean off the map but our media worries about NO because it makes better news.

I feel sorry for the people that lost loved ones, their homes and their businesses. " I don't feel sorry for the ones that have taken advantage of the situation by doing those terrible deeds."
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Posted by fuzzybroken on Monday, September 19, 2005 12:59 AM
All right, here's some hurricane-related stupidity:
1. Refugees are not to be called "refugees", that's a racist term. (huh???)
2. People were upset that Wisconsin did background checks on any potential refugees that would come to Wisconsin -- "these people have been through enough" -- yeah, right, and I'm sure some of the ne'er-do-wells would just love to "go through" some other people's things in the area...

Maybe I'll come up with some more later...[:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!]
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 18, 2005 10:52 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan

QUOTE: Originally posted by farmer03

bla bla. bla bla bla bla. everyone's an expert after the fact.

if the great masses down in that region weren't molded into dependency to sustain life, they might have been a little more motivated to help themselves thereby avoiding this entire mess. incompitance of the officials is only half the problem.


How the hell is anybody down there supposed to do anything without the money? Without money, the poor folk can't do squat except pray they don't get into the path of the crap fan.

New Orleans isn't that wealthy of a city. The kind of funding to keep things going is a State/ Federal assistance requirment which wasn't happening to the best of their ability.

Look at Rotterdam, Netherlands; the only reason why they aren't another Atlantis is because of the flood gates and other flood systems. Japan is another country that has had to ignore costs and just go with the fact that it was a neccessary investment.


what i'm saying and what Ed has said is that there are way too many 'squatters' . "help me help me gimme gimme" is what they say. the easy route they take, the low road they go. "hmm, should i get myself and my family out to safety or should i stick around hope to ride it out and go on a crime spree"

you really need to get thru the sugar coat on the situation Jct. fan. maybe look ahead or to the side instead of behind all the time. we know the facts, we know what has happened, we know what has been in the media. what i'm interested in are the stories such as the one Ed has posted. i'm glad that i'm in a state far enough north that we won't get many, but i'm afraid that because of IL being a sucker friendly state we'll undoubtedly get plenty.
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Posted by Jordan6 on Sunday, September 18, 2005 10:06 PM
Don't know the whole story but, all I can say is, Oh really, you guys did a fantastic job!?![V][:(!]

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Posted by Junctionfan on Sunday, September 18, 2005 10:02 PM
I don't really know if they knew any better. The present administration seems to be making alot of "I am a jelly doughnut" comments. I don't know if I doubt their sincerity as much as I doubt there ability to use political speach improv. They often sound like they should have gone to university for political science/ speach.
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Posted by edblysard on Sunday, September 18, 2005 9:55 PM
Sarah,
I do agree that the comment made might be somewhat lacking in tacit and taste...but what you might not know is both the former President, and his First Lady, are doing public service messages here locally, for free, and working behind the scenes to raise money, and organize efforts to find housing for a lot of these folks...the National press loves to report on the stupid things famous people say, but rarely reports on the good things they do.

On another note, I volunteered to hand out donated backpacks and school supplies to the kids who were registering at our schools...
Their parents were some of the most rude and obnoxious people I have ever dealt with, and I worked for my States Attorney General for almost 9 years in the welfare fraud recovery and Child Support division.

So you don’t need to lecture me about poverty, or disenfranchised people...

I was handing out free school supplies to people wearing gold chains, and gold nugget rings that cost at least as much as I make in a month...I saw more diamond earrings and nose rings in a day than I have seen in my entire life, not the cheapy studs you get for free with a piercing, but the Zales quality stuff, all the while they are screaming at me to give their kid more free stuff...
Demanding I give their kids an extra box of (fill in the blank) because they have a cousin, niece, nephew, little brother ...you get the point.
One woman told me she had twins, but could only bring one of them with her today…yeah, right, and I just fell off the turnip truck!

Now if they were really poor in the first place, how did they afford all that gold and diamonds?
And if they need money, well, Houston has a lot of pawn shops...

If you are basing your knowledge of the type of people in the Astrodome on the TV news reports, then you missed about 3/4 of the people there...all the National TV News shows are the old people in wheelchairs or on crutches...after all, these people make better TV than a 25 year old man, who has no disability at all, trying to spend his FEMA money on beer, or a line of people, none of whom are in wheelchairs, standing around on the corner of West Ridge and Kirby, running when the cops show up, tossing their baggies of meth and crack till it almost looks like it snowed...HPD has opened a store front office and holding cell on Main and Westridge for the prostitutes they round up, and increased the patrols in that area, cops are working double shifts.

You wont see that on Primetime, or any nationwide TV because the producers and executives know that the public image of all there poor people needs to be kept intact, so the money and relief effort keeps going...if John Q Public realized that their tax dollars were being spent on dope and beer, they would raise all kinds of Cain...the majority of the money is being spent on stuff like that, instead of being used to rent an apartment, or buy clothes or find a job...regardless of what is being shown and written, quite a lot of these folks resent being moved again, they are under the impression they can live there till New Orleans is rebuilt...and if not there, then somewhere free....the local ABC affiliate had a lady on last night who was really mad because no one would give her a cell phone...to quote...”how are we supposed to call our loved ones and tell them where we are if nobody will give us a phone?"

As if having a cell phone was a birth right, or a basic necessity and she was entitled to a free one in the first place.

I don’t know, but I am pretty sure that giving out cell phones for free is not part of the FEMA plan, and it shouldn’t be...if she wants a phone, she should take one her $2000.00 master cards and buy one...but she showed not one bit of thanks for the food, clothes, and the roof over her head, all free...instead, she is complaining she doesn’t have a cell phone...

Don’t know if you have ever been to New Orleans, and if you have, then I would bet you didn’t leave the French Quarter, or get too far off Bourbon Street...if you had, you would be completely shocked at how trashy and run down that city really was...most of it looked like New York ghettos in the late 50s early 60s...nothing but miles of public housing....burned out buildings and burned up, abandoned cars...
We had a local TV news clip showing a pair of Crescent City's female cops, inside a New Orleans department store...looting the store...they were walking around, pushing a basket, loading up on, not food or water, but clothes and small appliances, designer shoes, hand bags...all the while watching the local hoodlums carry off the TVs and dishwashers...and when confronted by the reporter, they just shoved him out of the store, and told him they would arrest him for interfering with the police if he didn’t leave...New Orleans finest at their finest...

While I do feel compassion for the truly ill, the old, and the kids who had no choice....I don’t bat a eye saying that most of the ones who stayed, got stuck, and then sat around in the superdome whining about someone having to come and get them, were the home grown criminals and the looters...don’t tell me the "poor" couldn’t get out of the city...the poor in Biloxi and other cities managed to leave...most of the superdome folks stayed because they wanted to, not because they had to...now they want someone, anyone but themselves, to fix things up for them...as far as I am concerned, if they refuse to help themselves, then tough, when December rolls around, and the Astrodome management decides to reopen the Dome for its regular schedule, then they can all get on buses back to Louisiana and go home.

And I don’t know if this made the National news or not, but the local amusement park, Astroworld, part of the Six Flags corporation, is closing for good...because they rely on the Astrodome parking facility and the Astrodome and Reliant Arena to bring people into the area...and with all the crime and sudden lack of parking, added to the fact that if you do manage to find a place to park around the dome, you can almost count on having a window busted out and your stereo boosted, and the fact that HPD has stated that, if you don’t have business in the area, they would like you to stay away, their gate fare has dropped to the point they cant remain open...they lost almost a months worth of gate receipts in business because people are afraid to go near the place anymore...

Bluntly put, what we expected were refugees, people who would be thankful for the help, and then set out to rebuild their life here, find a job and become a useful part of the city...what we got was a Domed Stadium full of squatters...
None of whom seem to have a problem telling you they are somehow entitled to... (Fill in the blank)
Ed

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Posted by samfp1943 on Sunday, September 18, 2005 9:28 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by KCMOWMAN

Thanks for reporting your stupidity. (on topic)


AND, Thank YOU] VERY MUCH FOR REPOTING YOUR IGNORANCE

CASE CLOSED..........

CSXrules4eva...I had no intention of getting into a dispute with you or anybody else, over this topic, as a former resident of NOLA, I was only speaking of what I know..Nothing More..It is a careful man who speaks only of what he knows, it is the foolish one who opens his mouth and prover it to all within earshot how much he doesn't know.

 

 


 

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Posted by Modelcar on Sunday, September 18, 2005 9:26 PM
....Just a comment: Seems to me Mrs. Bush {Barbara}, was way out of line with her comment....
And ....Ed, sorry to hear of your misfortune of getting your new vehicle damaged with the circumstances you mentioned....
I sure hope circumstances for all displaced people soon start to get better.
And....I sure hope that forming hurricane...{Rita}, stays away from the damaged Gulf coast....and other land areas as well, but it sure looks like it's headed for southern Florida in a day or two....Then where, we sure don't know yet.

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Posted by CSXrules4eva on Sunday, September 18, 2005 8:52 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by KCMOWMAN

Thanks for reporting your stupidity. (on topic)


AND, Thank YOU] VERY MUCH FOR REPOTING YOUR IGNORANCE

CASE CLOSED..........
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Posted by samfp1943 on Sunday, September 18, 2005 8:36 PM
Unfortunately; The good people of Houston, trying to be helpful and caring, may be the epitome of that saying," No good deed will go unpunished" . New Orleans was a city that was constantly at the top of the statistics for various crimes, it was actually two cities, one of the partying tourist mecca and then the one of abject poverty and everything that that visits on a society. Now it would seem that rather than being bottled up, it is exported around the country and visited upon peoples who only wanted to offer help to their fellow men. My feeling is that the social troubles for the nation are only beginning.

 

 


 

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Posted by CSXrules4eva on Sunday, September 18, 2005 8:26 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

QUOTE: Originally posted by CSXrules4eva

I found this to be really interesting, however, I wasn't too surpised to learn that most of these quotes were from out President about New Orleans and Katrina. Here are the two that outraged me the most.

"I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees." –President Bush, on "Good Morning America," Sept. 1, 2005, six days after repeated warnings from experts about the scope of damage expected from Hurricane Katrina (Source)


So then, what you are saying is that both the Mayor of New Orleans and the Governor of Louisiana knew the levees would breach, and went off and left over a quarter of a million people in the city anyway?
Along with the Mayor making absolute no realistic plans to evacuate anyone in the first place...leaving all the cities school buses and public buses in a parking lot that flooded regular even in a light rain...
In reality, no one did expect the levees to breach, they have always held before...the mayor and the governor were just playing the odds, and lost.
Then they stalled, trying to fix the screw up themselves, and hoping it wasn’t as bad as it seemed…then all heck broke lose!
Now they need someone, anyone but themselves, to place the blame on.

As for the people in the dome...well, lets just say that, after creating a zip code and a post office inside a public arena turned shelter, so they could receive their AFDC checks and Food Stamps, providing a free medical clinic, or disbursing the truly ill to local area Hospitals, (at no charge to them), then enrolling all of the kids in public schools, feeding them free breakfast and lunch, providing transportation to and from these schools, opening and staffing three previously closed HISD public schools, hiring most of the teachers displaced, forming job fairs for those actually looking for work, providing food, cots, showers, along with all the basic necessities like toilets, toothpaste, tooth brushes, plus laundry service, giving them clothes, FEMA handing them a $2000.00 master card, and the Red Cross doing the same, (that’s $4000.00 each,) they still spend more time complaining about how no one is helping them, instead of spending that time trying to help themselves...they act and believe they are entitled to more than what has been provided so far...but funny, I don’t remember the poor folks in Florida, slammed by four storms in as many months, nor the folks in Homestead, which was wiped off the map, getting service like this, or a $4000.00 emergency relief fund card.

I don’t remember the folks of New Orleans offering to open the Superdome, and then provide all the services they themselves now enjoy, to the people of Homestead...they were pretty much left on their own, and no one raised a peep about how shabbily they were treated.

Trust me, with all their griping and complaining, and the rise in prostitution, home and car burglaries, car jacking, the increase in the drug traffic and crime around the Astrodome in general on the rise, adding the fact that HPD had to institute a curfew at the dome, most of us are quite ready for the Superdome folks from New Orleans to head back home....after all, 250000 of them here, and so far, only a few have managed to go on TV and say thank you to the people of Houston, all the rest of them have done nothing but complain about what hasn’t been given to them...instead of being thankful for what has been...

If I sound a little upset…well, having a refugee break into your brand new car last Friday, and try to steal it, while you are in, of all places, traffic court…then yeah, I am.
Moron did over $2500.00 damage to a car that cant be started without a computer chipped key, all the screwdriver he stuck in the ignition did was shut off the entire computer in the car, causing me to have to replace a window, the steering column, the ignition system, and get the computer re booted at the dealer…
He did offer to give me and the cop who caught him each one of the three Red Cross Master Cards he had to pay for the damage and keep from going to jail…the cops didn’t think to much of that idea, both him having three of the cards, (along with several different TDLs under different names) or accepting one as “payment”…me neither…

Ed



NO, I was NOT trying to say that the Mayor of New Orleans or the Govenor of Louisiana isn't at fault. All I said was that I don't think it's really approate at all for a governement offical, or a fomer first lady, or a state official, or anyone who wasn't there in New Orleans to experience first hand what happened to go off and basicly say and I quote " ...And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway so this (chuckle) – this is working very well for them" end quote. Ok first of all MOST of these "underprivlidged" people went through beyond terrible conditions in the so called arena, the Superdome. Let me brake it down for you. There was no runing water, that means no tolets, no sinks. People were litterly going to the bathroom were ever they could find a spot. On the feild, in the stands. The bathrooms well, you don't even want to set foot in there, think about what would happen if mounds of human waste were piled up on the floor, in the tolets, in the sinks, and on the walls. These don't sound like good living conditions for anyone. People were litterly steping on one another, due to over crowding. There was water lyeing (spelling) on the feild of the Superdome in which people had to sit, stand, sleep, ect... in. The stench from the human waste was and still is very much so persent. There have also been repots that there is massive amounts of e-coili (spelling) persent.

I also believe that MOST of these "underprivlidged" people most likley don't want to stay in the Astrodome the rest of their lives. I bet you they most likely want to find the rest of their families involved and know that they are alright. I'm sure they would also like to go back to their "homeland".

In conclusion my feeling is that Former First Lady Barbara Bush, has to watch what she says about people who have suffered greatly becuase of Katrina. As a matter of fact I should say that people in general have to watch what they say to others durring any disasterous situation, espeaially (spelling) on camera. Because, these people don't know what it was like to experience that disaster unless they were there. Choose your words wisely.
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Posted by edblysard on Sunday, September 18, 2005 8:21 PM
Andrew,
Evacuation, if ordered by the President, would make it FEMAs job...If a Governor ordered it, it would be the states job, on a local or city basis, it is that city's responsibility to organize and execute said plan.

By the way, Houston has it’s own version, HEMA, Houston Emergency Management Association…they can request evacuation with out the mayors consent, send fire and rescue teams, close roads and commandeer buildings and supplies…in the event of a city wide emergency, they can even request partial control over certain divisions of our city police force

The President cant arbitrarily order an evacuation, it would have to be a matter of national security or a nation wide emergency, in which case he could call out the national guard to enforce it...
Our Constitution forbids the use of our armed military forces being used as a national police force.



No matter how anyone trys to put a spin on all of this, you can place almost all the blame for this on the Mayor or New Orleans and the Governor of Louisiana...they gambled and lost.

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Posted by Junctionfan on Sunday, September 18, 2005 6:59 PM
This is not a rebuttle but a genuine question; is it FEMA's responsibility to get buses and stuff ready when a mandatory evacuation is called or the municipal government?

Actually I don't even know if the municipal governments in Canada have the authority to issue a mandatory evacuation. Something I think I will find out as a point of interest.
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Posted by edblysard on Sunday, September 18, 2005 4:45 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by CSXrules4eva

I found this to be really interesting, however, I wasn't too surpised to learn that most of these quotes were from out President about New Orleans and Katrina. Here are the two that outraged me the most.

"I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees." –President Bush, on "Good Morning America," Sept. 1, 2005, six days after repeated warnings from experts about the scope of damage expected from Hurricane Katrina (Source)


So then, what you are saying is that both the Mayor of New Orleans and the Governor of Louisiana knew the levees would breach, and went off and left over a quarter of a million people in the city anyway?
Along with the Mayor making absolute no realistic plans to evacuate anyone in the first place...leaving all the cities school buses and public buses in a parking lot that flooded regular even in a light rain...
In reality, no one did expect the levees to breach, they have always held before...the mayor and the governor were just playing the odds, and lost.
Then they stalled, trying to fix the screw up themselves, and hoping it wasn’t as bad as it seemed…then all heck broke lose!
Now they need someone, anyone but themselves, to place the blame on.

As for the people in the dome...well, lets just say that, after creating a zip code and a post office inside a public arena turned shelter, so they could receive their AFDC checks and Food Stamps, providing a free medical clinic, or disbursing the truly ill to local area Hospitals, (at no charge to them), then enrolling all of the kids in public schools, feeding them free breakfast and lunch, providing transportation to and from these schools, opening and staffing three previously closed HISD public schools, hiring most of the teachers displaced, forming job fairs for those actually looking for work, providing food, cots, showers, along with all the basic necessities like toilets, toothpaste, tooth brushes, plus laundry service, giving them clothes, FEMA handing them a $2000.00 master card, and the Red Cross doing the same, (that’s $4000.00 each,) they still spend more time complaining about how no one is helping them, instead of spending that time trying to help themselves...they act and believe they are entitled to more than what has been provided so far...but funny, I don’t remember the poor folks in Florida, slammed by four storms in as many months, nor the folks in Homestead, which was wiped off the map, getting service like this, or a $4000.00 emergency relief fund card.

I don’t remember the folks of New Orleans offering to open the Superdome, and then provide all the services they themselves now enjoy, to the people of Homestead...they were pretty much left on their own, and no one raised a peep about how shabbily they were treated.

Trust me, with all their griping and complaining, and the rise in prostitution, home and car burglaries, car jacking, the increase in the drug traffic and crime around the Astrodome in general on the rise, adding the fact that HPD had to institute a curfew at the dome, most of us are quite ready for the Superdome folks from New Orleans to head back home....after all, 250000 of them here, and so far, only a few have managed to go on TV and say thank you to the people of Houston, all the rest of them have done nothing but complain about what hasn’t been given to them...instead of being thankful for what has been...

If I sound a little upset…well, having a refugee break into your brand new car last Friday, and try to steal it, while you are in, of all places, traffic court…then yeah, I am.
Moron did over $2500.00 damage to a car that cant be started without a computer chipped key, all the screwdriver he stuck in the ignition did was shut off the entire computer in the car, causing me to have to replace a window, the steering column, the ignition system, and get the computer re booted at the dealer…
He did offer to give me and the cop who caught him each one of the three Red Cross Master Cards he had to pay for the damage and keep from going to jail…the cops didn’t think to much of that idea, both him having three of the cards, (along with several different TDLs under different names) or accepting one as “payment”…me neither…

Ed

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Posted by Junctionfan on Sunday, September 18, 2005 4:30 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by farmer03

bla bla. bla bla bla bla. everyone's an expert after the fact.

if the great masses down in that region weren't molded into dependency to sustain life, they might have been a little more motivated to help themselves thereby avoiding this entire mess. incompitance of the officials is only half the problem.


How the hell is anybody down there supposed to do anything without the money? Without money, the poor folk can't do squat except pray they don't get into the path of the crap fan.

New Orleans isn't that wealthy of a city. The kind of funding to keep things going is a State/ Federal assistance requirment which wasn't happening to the best of their ability.

Look at Rotterdam, Netherlands; the only reason why they aren't another Atlantis is because of the flood gates and other flood systems. Japan is another country that has had to ignore costs and just go with the fact that it was a neccessary investment.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 18, 2005 4:21 PM
Strange how people can write sensibly about railroads and then write political opinions that would make North Koreans shake their heads in disbelief.

You can’t blame this on the French. New Orleans had natural protection provided by sediment from the Mississippi. Natural breakwaters were destroyed because the Army Corps put the Mississippi into concrete channels designed to scour sediment out into the Gulf. This left New Orleans exposed to the full force of hurricanes.

The mouth of a river is a logical place to put cities: New York, Shanghai, Alexandria, Calcutta, and of course Amsterdam. The Netherlands spends half a billion per year to maintain their levees and they have reclaimed thousands of square miles of farmland from the North Sea. Compared to the Dutch, America prevented this flood like a third world country. China is still mostly a third world country and right after Bush lost New Orleans, China evacuated a million people to save them from a typhoon. Compared to China, America evacuated people like a third world country.

Bill Clinton appointed emergency management professionals to run FEMA and they did a good job. Bush replaced them with political operatives and losing New Orleans is the result. Bush’s political operatives will get second chance after second chance to show competence in preventing and responding to disasters for three more years. No matter if it is a flu pandemic, terrorists attack, earthquake, or more floods Bush appointees will prove just as incompetent.
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Posted by samfp1943 on Sunday, September 18, 2005 3:16 PM
Junctionfan: Could not agree more with you. 300 year ago when NOLA was settled by the French, Hurricane was probably the last theing they thought about... In the intervening time, as the population and consequently the physical structures of the city have increased, there have been many efforst to improve the levee system, a problem has been the insipient corruption that exists in Louisiana politics. The natives either complain and shake their heads knowing that things are not going to change, any time soon, and then they brag about how corrupt their politics/politicians are..Always have been, and highlighted by such luminary figures like Hughy P. Long, and recently Edwin Edwards. Louisiana politics have operated like a Banana Republic Kleptocracy for years, with monies being siphoned off in all directions away from projects for which it was originally intended..

 

 


 

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 18, 2005 3:09 PM
bla bla. bla bla bla bla. everyone's an expert after the fact.

if the great masses down in that region weren't molded into dependency to sustain life, they might have been a little more motivated to help themselves thereby avoiding this entire mess. incompitance of the officials is only half the problem.
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Posted by Junctionfan on Sunday, September 18, 2005 3:05 PM
O.k now I have to say something and get kind of political darn it........

300 years ago the French were stupid for building a city in a "bath tub" on hurricane prone coast. Today, governments with the cash ability to fix that are stupid for not doing something about it. Just because they are lucky so far, doesn't mean that it won't happen eventually. From what I heard, it went to congress on before and never happened so stupid congress never voted for it but the presidents could have least pushed and pushed for it. For so far, I haven't heard anything about Bush or any other president say they were pushing for it to go through. As an aside, didn't Bush appoint Brown as FEMA director? Doesn't the president have the ability to check to see if resumes are legit or crap? Any proof of legit or crap? For so far, the side that say Brown was underqualified and fudged his resume is winning.....

The crack about the underprivalege thing just shows how out of touch they are with the realities of the poor; not being poor themselves, I bet they don't understand how that might be offensive to the refugees of New Orleans. To me it would sound like hey, they are used to being all cramed together anyways so this might actually be an improvement.

Now chances are, she didn't quite think it through and is just very crappy at political speach improv like her husband who really needs to watch what he says too. I mean really, Bush has said some really dumb things that are just as hilarious as JFK saying he was a "jelly doughnut" instead of a Berliner.
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Posted by samfp1943 on Sunday, September 18, 2005 2:50 PM
Unfortunately; The incompetence in this situation started from the bottom juristiction[City] and floated upward....The Mayor of NOLA was a key in the dysfunction, it started on Friday, when he let 900+- seats westbound on AMTRAK go without souls in them, and I would bet that his inaction was all in the name of economics, that why all the school buses, city transit buses were left to get flooded in their parking lots, they6 did not want to pay for the drivers, and fuel to move them to be used in the evacuation ..Yet when he got the chance he blamed everyone else for inaction. Typical political obfuscation. Had he said they needed help in NOLA, the Govenor would have had to activate the Nat'l Guard per the Emergency Operations Plan for Louisiana and things would have escalated to the next level. As it was, the Feds had declared the region a Federal Disaster Area while Katrina was still off shore in the Gulf, the Army had prestaged in central Mississippi, and was hit as Katrina moved inland, meaning they had to regroup,first, and then move out to the Gulf Coast..

 

 


 

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Posted by fuzzybroken on Sunday, September 18, 2005 2:13 PM
I'll try not to turn this into some big ridiculous political rant...
QUOTE: Originally posted by CSXrules4eva

"I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees." –President Bush, on "Good Morning America," Sept. 1, 2005, six days after repeated warnings from experts about the scope of damage expected from Hurricane Katrina (Source)
OF COURSE no one anticipated the breach of the levees! The French that decided to build N.O. almost 300 years ago where it was didn't anticipate the breach of the levees! "Hmmm, let's build a city with a lake on one side, a mighty river on another side, and the ocean on another side! And it will be below sea level!" Hello!!! Anybody see anything wrong with this picture??? Anybody???

But everybody points the finger at the president. It's ALWAYS his fault. He should have been out there on the levee, with his flowing roba and staff, keeping the storm waters away from the city, right? Wouldn't the ACLU have had fun with that one...???

QUOTE: 2) "What I'm hearing which is sort of scary is that they all want to stay in Texas. Everybody is so overwhelmed by the hospitality. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway so this (chuckle) – this is working very well for them." –Former First Lady Barbara Bush, on the hurricane evacuees at the Astrodome in Houston, Sept. 5, 2005 (Source)
So? Many of the refugees (oh wait, we can't call them that, 'cuz it's somehow "racist" -- knobs) here in Wisconsin want to stay! Can you blame them!?? High and dry vs. living in the shadow of the sea... sounds like a no-brainer to me! And it sounds like the former first lady is smart enough to realize a tremendous opportunity for a lot of people as a result of the disaster.

I really don't care for the way that the president is getting the blame for a NATURAL DISASTER. This of course was followed by a lot of BUREAUCRATIC INCOMPETENCE, which was also not the president's fault! [banghead] I'm sure if he had his way, there wouldn't be any of said incompetence, but he's not the king, he's the president!!! There's a lot of other knobs in the middle -- most of them also elected by the people -- that need to be moved aside LONG BEFORE this "horrible president that we have". [V][:(!][V][:(!][V][:(!]

I thought this topic was about stupid quotes, not truths from some of the best-educated leaders in this country. Get better sources next time.
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Posted by Junctionfan on Sunday, September 18, 2005 8:04 AM
I imagine there are some really dumb govenor quotes too but to the previous critiques of the quotes she provided. Having a stupid mayor is one thing; he only controls a city. Having a govenor that is stupid is also really bad because he or she controls the National Guard and can pardon prisoners but having a stupid national leader is just frightening because they control 10,000 plus nuclear weapons.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 18, 2005 1:23 AM
Better quotes you could have come up with, and not show your bias, would have been the Mayor and Govenor.

They both don't deserve the bandwidth it takes or the time to look them up and quote exactly.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 18, 2005 12:04 AM
Thanks for reporting your stupidity. (on topic)

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