QUOTE: Originally posted by greyhounds The truth is that the railroads are unique in that they must: 1) compete with each other and, 2) cooperate with each other at the same time.
QUOTE: Even under your cherished open access, which you have yet to make a case for, no one rail company could get trainloads together to go everywhere from everywhere. They'd still have to: 1) compete with each other while, 2) cooperating with each other.
QUOTE: The taxes are scewed so as to make the SUV's/passenger cars cross subsidize the large trucks.
QUOTE: Originally posted by greyhounds The relavent discussion about highway subsidies is the advantage it gives to trucking. An 80,000 pound truck does far more damage, and requires far more design and construction, than the largest SUV. The taxes are scewed so as to make the SUV's/passenger cars cross subsidize the large trucks.
QUOTE: Originally posted by greyhounds You can't have this cooperation without some form of exemption from anti-trust. They've got to talk to each other about through charges, divisions of revenue, etc.
QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal QUOTE: Originally posted by PNWRMNM FM The highway system is subsidized as described. Whether it is the Feds, the state or the locals does not make any difference and you know it. Mac Sorry Mac, but you are in denial. You want so much to believe that highway users are subsidized, because it buttresses your case that the "competition" to railroads is subsidized, and without that point of contention you whole case is eroded. The truth is, just the opposite is the reality. By allowing railroads anti-trust exemption, the federal government is actually subsidizing the railroads. What other transportation mode is allowed monopoly power and anti-trust exemption? None but the steel rails. I know it makes your head hurt to have to contemplate that reality, but you gotta face the truth sooner or later.
QUOTE: Originally posted by PNWRMNM FM The highway system is subsidized as described. Whether it is the Feds, the state or the locals does not make any difference and you know it. Mac
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QUOTE: Originally posted by jeaton If I do not use the federal highway system and I pay the Federal Gasoline Excise Tax am I not subsidizing the federal highway system?
QUOTE: Originally posted by PNWRMNM In his post of September 19 Futuremodal claims the highway system was and is financed with user fees so motor carriers are not subsidized. In footmote 230 or "Perkins/Budd' by Richard C. Overton 1982 the author states " . . . The truth apears to be that for the period 1921 through 1974, approximately two-thirds of the combined federal, state, and local expenditures for highways were met by user charges of one sort or another, while the remaining one-third was paid from gerneral tax sources. In other words, vehicular traffic by no means paid its way (the one third paid by general taxes amounted to $128 billion), nor was it accurate to imply that all ulta-modern highways were fully paid for by public expense. As is so often the case, the answer lay somewhere in between. (us DOT, Bureau of Public Roads, Highway Finance, Summary to 1965, Table HF-1 for years 1965-1967 and Table HF-11 for years 1968-74{Washington DC 1965-1974}.)" Mac
QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal QUOTE: Originally posted by jeaton futuremodal You really are quite the left wing socialist. Rather than get drawn into yet another flame war with Jay, I will give you a brief history of my political life. The only reason I did not achieve a 4.0 GPA through college was due to a half dozen left-wing professors who graded me down because of my right-of-center views. I belong to no political party, but every election year I usually end up voting Republican (I have only voted for three Democrats my entire life, all at the local level). I voted for Reagan, I voted for Bu***he elder, I voted for Dole, and I voted for Bu***he younger. I am quite certain I will end up voting for the Republican nominee in 2008 (unless it's McCain). I am proud to reside in a conservative State such as Idaho, and I am a proud supporter of Gov. Dirk Kempthorne (an ideal candidate for a 2008 Presidential bid). Yeah, I guess in Jay's Bizzaro World I am a left wing socialist. Jay, your problem is that you cannot discern between a general ideology and a specific apolitical issue such as open access. QUOTE: By the way, is there anyway I can get a refund of the federal fuel tax I pay for gas I use when I am on non-federal highways? Oh yah, how about a federal gas tax refund for the 1000 or so earmarks that go to projects other than federal highways. Jay Jay, if such issues concern you, you should contact your elected representative to Congress. I seriously doubt you'll have any credibility down that avenue either.
QUOTE: Originally posted by jeaton futuremodal You really are quite the left wing socialist.
QUOTE: By the way, is there anyway I can get a refund of the federal fuel tax I pay for gas I use when I am on non-federal highways? Oh yah, how about a federal gas tax refund for the 1000 or so earmarks that go to projects other than federal highways. Jay
QUOTE: Originally posted by jeaton Mark in Utah Are there any statuatory limits on the fees that transmission line owners can charge electric producers for the use of those wires? Jay
QUOTE: Originally posted by PNWRMNM ...In contrast the government in this same period set about subsidizing the railroads' motor and water carrier competitors...
QUOTE: Originally posted by bobwilcox For an interesting look at things, go to : http://www.aar.org/ViewContent.asp?Content_ID=2786 open the pdf file and scroll down to the first chart. Notice how productivity, rates, revenue and volume are all essentially flat through those "glory days" of regulation. Then in 1981 Staggers was passed. Productivity skyrocketed, volumes went up, rates went and revenue went down (in 1981 dollars). That one chart alone is a ringing endorsement of deregulation.
QUOTE: Originally posted by dehusman So far, other than to complain about how the shippers are being so abused and cry for reform, nobody has anwered the question of exactly what anti-trust provisions the railroad is exempt from. It was my understanding that the anti-trust exemption allowed railroads to make joint rates or to join in rate bureaus. For an interesting look at things, go to : http://www.aar.org/ViewContent.asp?Content_ID=2786 open the pdf file and scroll down to the first chart. Notice how productivity, rates, revenue and volume are all essentially flat through those "glory days" of regulation. Then in 1981 Staggers was passed. Productivity skyrocketed, volumes went up, rates went and revenue went down (in 1981 dollars). That one chart alone is a ringing endorsement of deregulation. Dave H.
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