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Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 12:38 AM
SJ, Ed's "finger" cars don't often get used for pipe--they're mostly for things like rebar, and occasionally for bar stock or, as he says, thin pipe.

Simple question: were the cars you saw about 89 feet long (typical of old piggyback flat cars) or about 60-70 feet long? The "finger" cars are shorter; the PTTX pipe cars I mentioned are longer.

Were the "ridges" wooden? The "fingers" on the cars Ed wants you to see are steel, and several feet tall.

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Posted by Mookie on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 6:22 AM
OK - I can't get into a website that Houston Ed sent me - but he wants me to look at some photos of finger rack flat cars. Anyone have such pictures that they can post? This almost sounds like what I was looking at while train watching.

Any pictures will be appreciated.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 12:23 AM
No, JTTX and TTJX aren't the same thing. JTTX is sort of a catch-all reporting mark for TTX "standard" flat cars. In fact, a few cars now lettered PTTX were lettered JTTX previously.

Our latest big-pipe moves through here have had everything hauled on long CP flats.

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Posted by Junctionfan on Monday, September 12, 2005 6:50 PM
I have seen TTX flats carrying large diameter pipe from IPSCO out in Western Canada to Buffalo Junction. I have also noticed that rebar and steel plating are loaded on it too. I saw this in Brantford, Ontario which was kind of odd to me because the industry usually takes plate steel by the 60 foot flats (MTTX I believe).

Another interesting possibility is steel beams not necessarily the behemoth kinds. I believe I have seen that on a CN train heading from Buffalo to Sarnia. (Note that the train stops at Hamilton and may be dropping of cars for Stelco or Dofasco Steel; also, CN switcher train 555 operates between Aldershot Yard and Hamilton and often picks up cars at the Rail Link Hamilton Yard for other CN trains to take to Mac Millan Yard)

Don't think that helps but thought it might be an interesting addition of information.[:)]
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Posted by edblysard on Monday, September 12, 2005 6:48 PM
TTJX?
Finger rack flats...we see them every once in a while with rebar and small dia pipe...

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Posted by corwinda on Monday, September 12, 2005 6:28 PM
When I was in Nevada I saw lots of pipe come through on JTTX 89' flats. Always with an empty auto rack on each end of the train unless they were part of a regular manifest train (which was rare.) Sometimes the auto racks went back with the empty flats.
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Posted by CShaveRR on Monday, September 12, 2005 9:32 AM
SJ, I'm betting on pipe, too. If you get a chance to see these TTX cars again, get the precise reporting mark. If it's PTTX, they're pipe cars, for sure!

(Rail is usually transported in MTTX cars that have short bulkheads on the ends.)

BC[:I]

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Posted by Mookie on Monday, September 12, 2005 8:52 AM
No - I am so horrible with a camera. And from our vantage point, it would have looked like a long string of just flat cars. Still waiting for my new camera from Bergie, but so far he is ignoring me. I think it is the part where he would have to live here for a month to teach me how to use it.....

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Posted by spbed on Monday, September 12, 2005 8:44 AM
Any pix?[:o)][:p][:)]

Originally posted by Mookie
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 12, 2005 7:33 AM
BNSF Railway is making Big money there.
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Posted by Mookie on Monday, September 12, 2005 7:27 AM
Sir Chix - these were TTX flat cars. But the ends looked odd - The cars were elevated enough I couldn't look down on them; just had to check out the ends. Looked a little like a box of staples if you open one end.

If they had something in them, it never showed over the top.

(I need to learn to draw....)

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Posted by mudchicken on Monday, September 12, 2005 6:53 AM
Mook: There is a pipeline boom out here in the Colorado, New Mexico and Utah natural gas fields. You very well may have seen some of CF&I/Oregon Steel Mill's TOFC flatcars that have been converted to pipe service. The cars are usually black, yellow or robins egg blue 89 foot flats w/ rounded bulkhead ends.
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Posted by Mookie on Monday, September 12, 2005 6:46 AM
I thought about that - would have been flat car size pieces of rail.

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Posted by adrianspeeder on Monday, September 12, 2005 6:36 AM
Hold rail maybe?

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Posted by Mookie on Monday, September 12, 2005 6:34 AM
Saw two motors and an extremely long line of flat cars heading east.

Couldn't see the beds of the flat cars, but could they have been just empties or....could they have been hauling some kind of pipes that couldn't be stacked?

The ends looked like they may have ridges like Ruffles - where an individual pipe would fit. They definitely weren't just flat cars.

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