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QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Beat cars. These replaced the wooden cars.
Originally posted by dehusman [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 12:40 PM OK if you say ballast cars but for sure they didnot look like "normal" ballast cars that you see all the time. [:D][:p] Originally posted by railroad65 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 12:42 PM They are closed on the top which I think of they were carrying gravel they would not be. [:p][:)][:o)] Originally posted by tree68 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 12:44 PM Aha if you mean beet cars sounds like goodie. Yes I remember the SPRR was big in the beet biz in its heyday. Thanks [:)][:p] Originally posted by chad thomas [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 12:45 PM A reporting mark and number would help. With those, I could try and figure out a little more about the cars, perhaps even run a trace to see what's in them. These look a lot like ACF Coalveyor gons. If they were rebuilt for gravel service, they would have had slope sheets and hoppers added, since gravel is, unlike the above speculation, a very dense, heavy commodity. Beets, on the other hand, would best be shipped in even larger cars than these. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 1:03 PM It looks like WXXI 1039. If you look at the 3rd pix in the series you can see it [:o)][8D] http://vgalleries.com/members/railfan1/The+Trainfan.vrg Originally posted by CShaveRR [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 1:05 PM Upon closer inspection these don't look like the beet cars. The beet cars have mesh extentions on top, not solid, and they are bigger. Reply DaveBr Member sinceApril 2004 156 posts Posted by DaveBr on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 1:31 PM What.s the matter if they are cars used for cement ?Colton area isn't it? Davebr. raw cement that is. Reply dehusman Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Omaha, NE 10,621 posts Posted by dehusman on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 2:06 PM Guys. They are hauling gravel. Gravel is what is in the cars. They are gravel cars. The company they are going to uses gravel. The company they came from produces gravel. It is a unit gravel train. All the train does is haul gravel. It is not a beet train. It is not a ballast train. It is not a cement train. It is a gravel train. Dave H. Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 2:17 PM Garvel cars... The funky looking top is a containment/slope sheet, so they can be dumped on a rotary dumper if needed. Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 4:35 PM Ed, do you have an idea what the reporting mark might be? I can't make it out (which is why I asked), and "WXXI" is not, and never was, a valid reporting mark. I'll buy your explanation of the containment extensions. I'm just curious about such things as overall length, to see if these were rebuilt from old coal gons, or whatever. The bodies look like ACF Coalveyors, but the bottom looks like it was modified from the original "tubs". And, as I mentioned before, a full load of gravel would probably amount to about therr-quarters of the capacity of an unmodified coal gon. If I could find these cars in UMLER, I'd have a lot of the answers. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 5:43 PM Cant get it sharp enough to read... But I am with you, they look like rebuilt coal cars or old coke cars... Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, September 8, 2005 7:06 AM Thanks for the information. [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by edblysard Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply dehusman Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Omaha, NE 10,621 posts Posted by dehusman on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:07 AM They are RRMX 1000 series cars. Dave H. Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:25 AM Robertson Ready Mix, in So Cal? Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply dehusman Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Omaha, NE 10,621 posts Posted by dehusman on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:35 AM 40 easy rollers. Dave H. Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:37 AM Try XXXI 1036[:D][:)] Originally posted by CShaveRR [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply zapp Member sinceAugust 2003 From: weatherford,Tx 367 posts Posted by zapp on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:37 AM I looked up the train symbol using the unit number,and it shows to be a rock train. Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:43 AM Thanks for the reporting mark, Dave! It belongs to RRM Properties, Ltd. Not conclusive, but you're probably right, Ed, about Robertson Redi-Mix. The cars aren't shown in my ORERs, but UMLER shows that there are 44 of these, RRMX numbers 1001-1044. Overall length is 42 feet--which means that if they were coal gons, they were shortened in overall length by about 11 feet (not an impossible thing--I've recently seen some Ortner hoppers that appear to have been shortened for gravel service by Herzog). They're hoppers now (again, Herzog has rebuilt solid-bottom coal gons into high-speed ballast hoppers). The cars first showed up (apparently) in 2002, at least as RRMX cars (that's the date of the AEI tags--they could have had a prior identity, and I'm working on that). I'll hopefully get more information on these cars. Oh, yes--their commodity: gravel (big surprise!). Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:55 AM My son says he has the ability to blow up the pix so I am bringing him the CD this weekend & maybe he can see the reporting marks once it is blown up. I may also mention that this train had some sought of priority to it as they ran it around the double stack you see sitting there in another one of the photos. Above where the engine is heading there is a crossover from the north track which he was on to the south track which the doublestack was on. He also had real good pace to him even though he was taking the crossover. [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by CShaveRR Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply jeaton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Rockton, IL 4,821 posts Posted by jeaton on Thursday, September 8, 2005 12:32 PM Nice work guys. If the trolls and railroad bashers that frequent this place had a grasp of the depth of railroad knowledge among the many of forum members, we would be buried with requests to verify the latest conspiracy theories. At the moment , I am too lazy to check this out, but I seem to recall pictures of cars of a similar appearance in a recent Trains article about CSX operations in Florida where the pictured cars were used to haul phosphate rock. I am not suggesting that the cars the subject of this topic are hauling anything other than gravel, but the Trains article might offer a clue to the builder and subsequent modifications, if any of these RRMX cars. Jay "We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo Possum "We have met the anemone... and he is Russ." Bucky Katt "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr, Nobel laureate in physics Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, September 8, 2005 12:49 PM Thanks, Jay. The ribs do bear a slight resemblance to one of those phosphate cars in the illustration (June 2005, page 55), but I have a feeling that the ends are quite different. I'd like to be able to bask in the "knowledgeable railroader" limelight, but it isn't always what you know--you have to know how to find things out. Some people have knowledge about individual railroads and about diesel locomotives that I can only envy, because they know how to find it in some vast storehouse of information. If you were to look in my basement, you'd find a similar storehouse, but not the organization to put it to the best use. I do what I can. I happen to be a freight car freak, so the sight of these cars was exciting. I've never seen anything like that around here. But I can dig out the information (a.k.a. "I know this guy"), I hope, so I might be able to provide more on these cars than I already have, if they have a prior identity with which I'm more familiar. (The "feeler" is still out, by the way, soon to be joined by another one.) Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply 12 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by railroad65 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 12:42 PM They are closed on the top which I think of they were carrying gravel they would not be. [:p][:)][:o)] Originally posted by tree68 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 12:44 PM Aha if you mean beet cars sounds like goodie. Yes I remember the SPRR was big in the beet biz in its heyday. Thanks [:)][:p] Originally posted by chad thomas [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 12:45 PM A reporting mark and number would help. With those, I could try and figure out a little more about the cars, perhaps even run a trace to see what's in them. These look a lot like ACF Coalveyor gons. If they were rebuilt for gravel service, they would have had slope sheets and hoppers added, since gravel is, unlike the above speculation, a very dense, heavy commodity. Beets, on the other hand, would best be shipped in even larger cars than these. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 1:03 PM It looks like WXXI 1039. If you look at the 3rd pix in the series you can see it [:o)][8D] http://vgalleries.com/members/railfan1/The+Trainfan.vrg Originally posted by CShaveRR [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 1:05 PM Upon closer inspection these don't look like the beet cars. The beet cars have mesh extentions on top, not solid, and they are bigger. Reply DaveBr Member sinceApril 2004 156 posts Posted by DaveBr on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 1:31 PM What.s the matter if they are cars used for cement ?Colton area isn't it? Davebr. raw cement that is. Reply dehusman Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Omaha, NE 10,621 posts Posted by dehusman on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 2:06 PM Guys. They are hauling gravel. Gravel is what is in the cars. They are gravel cars. The company they are going to uses gravel. The company they came from produces gravel. It is a unit gravel train. All the train does is haul gravel. It is not a beet train. It is not a ballast train. It is not a cement train. It is a gravel train. Dave H. Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 2:17 PM Garvel cars... The funky looking top is a containment/slope sheet, so they can be dumped on a rotary dumper if needed. Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 4:35 PM Ed, do you have an idea what the reporting mark might be? I can't make it out (which is why I asked), and "WXXI" is not, and never was, a valid reporting mark. I'll buy your explanation of the containment extensions. I'm just curious about such things as overall length, to see if these were rebuilt from old coal gons, or whatever. The bodies look like ACF Coalveyors, but the bottom looks like it was modified from the original "tubs". And, as I mentioned before, a full load of gravel would probably amount to about therr-quarters of the capacity of an unmodified coal gon. If I could find these cars in UMLER, I'd have a lot of the answers. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 5:43 PM Cant get it sharp enough to read... But I am with you, they look like rebuilt coal cars or old coke cars... Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, September 8, 2005 7:06 AM Thanks for the information. [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by edblysard Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply dehusman Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Omaha, NE 10,621 posts Posted by dehusman on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:07 AM They are RRMX 1000 series cars. Dave H. Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:25 AM Robertson Ready Mix, in So Cal? Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply dehusman Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Omaha, NE 10,621 posts Posted by dehusman on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:35 AM 40 easy rollers. Dave H. Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:37 AM Try XXXI 1036[:D][:)] Originally posted by CShaveRR [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply zapp Member sinceAugust 2003 From: weatherford,Tx 367 posts Posted by zapp on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:37 AM I looked up the train symbol using the unit number,and it shows to be a rock train. Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:43 AM Thanks for the reporting mark, Dave! It belongs to RRM Properties, Ltd. Not conclusive, but you're probably right, Ed, about Robertson Redi-Mix. The cars aren't shown in my ORERs, but UMLER shows that there are 44 of these, RRMX numbers 1001-1044. Overall length is 42 feet--which means that if they were coal gons, they were shortened in overall length by about 11 feet (not an impossible thing--I've recently seen some Ortner hoppers that appear to have been shortened for gravel service by Herzog). They're hoppers now (again, Herzog has rebuilt solid-bottom coal gons into high-speed ballast hoppers). The cars first showed up (apparently) in 2002, at least as RRMX cars (that's the date of the AEI tags--they could have had a prior identity, and I'm working on that). I'll hopefully get more information on these cars. Oh, yes--their commodity: gravel (big surprise!). Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:55 AM My son says he has the ability to blow up the pix so I am bringing him the CD this weekend & maybe he can see the reporting marks once it is blown up. I may also mention that this train had some sought of priority to it as they ran it around the double stack you see sitting there in another one of the photos. Above where the engine is heading there is a crossover from the north track which he was on to the south track which the doublestack was on. He also had real good pace to him even though he was taking the crossover. [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by CShaveRR Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply jeaton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Rockton, IL 4,821 posts Posted by jeaton on Thursday, September 8, 2005 12:32 PM Nice work guys. If the trolls and railroad bashers that frequent this place had a grasp of the depth of railroad knowledge among the many of forum members, we would be buried with requests to verify the latest conspiracy theories. At the moment , I am too lazy to check this out, but I seem to recall pictures of cars of a similar appearance in a recent Trains article about CSX operations in Florida where the pictured cars were used to haul phosphate rock. I am not suggesting that the cars the subject of this topic are hauling anything other than gravel, but the Trains article might offer a clue to the builder and subsequent modifications, if any of these RRMX cars. Jay "We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo Possum "We have met the anemone... and he is Russ." Bucky Katt "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr, Nobel laureate in physics Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, September 8, 2005 12:49 PM Thanks, Jay. The ribs do bear a slight resemblance to one of those phosphate cars in the illustration (June 2005, page 55), but I have a feeling that the ends are quite different. I'd like to be able to bask in the "knowledgeable railroader" limelight, but it isn't always what you know--you have to know how to find things out. Some people have knowledge about individual railroads and about diesel locomotives that I can only envy, because they know how to find it in some vast storehouse of information. If you were to look in my basement, you'd find a similar storehouse, but not the organization to put it to the best use. I do what I can. I happen to be a freight car freak, so the sight of these cars was exciting. I've never seen anything like that around here. But I can dig out the information (a.k.a. "I know this guy"), I hope, so I might be able to provide more on these cars than I already have, if they have a prior identity with which I'm more familiar. (The "feeler" is still out, by the way, soon to be joined by another one.) Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply 12 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by tree68 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 12:44 PM Aha if you mean beet cars sounds like goodie. Yes I remember the SPRR was big in the beet biz in its heyday. Thanks [:)][:p] Originally posted by chad thomas [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 12:45 PM A reporting mark and number would help. With those, I could try and figure out a little more about the cars, perhaps even run a trace to see what's in them. These look a lot like ACF Coalveyor gons. If they were rebuilt for gravel service, they would have had slope sheets and hoppers added, since gravel is, unlike the above speculation, a very dense, heavy commodity. Beets, on the other hand, would best be shipped in even larger cars than these. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 1:03 PM It looks like WXXI 1039. If you look at the 3rd pix in the series you can see it [:o)][8D] http://vgalleries.com/members/railfan1/The+Trainfan.vrg Originally posted by CShaveRR [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 1:05 PM Upon closer inspection these don't look like the beet cars. The beet cars have mesh extentions on top, not solid, and they are bigger. Reply DaveBr Member sinceApril 2004 156 posts Posted by DaveBr on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 1:31 PM What.s the matter if they are cars used for cement ?Colton area isn't it? Davebr. raw cement that is. Reply dehusman Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Omaha, NE 10,621 posts Posted by dehusman on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 2:06 PM Guys. They are hauling gravel. Gravel is what is in the cars. They are gravel cars. The company they are going to uses gravel. The company they came from produces gravel. It is a unit gravel train. All the train does is haul gravel. It is not a beet train. It is not a ballast train. It is not a cement train. It is a gravel train. Dave H. Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 2:17 PM Garvel cars... The funky looking top is a containment/slope sheet, so they can be dumped on a rotary dumper if needed. Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 4:35 PM Ed, do you have an idea what the reporting mark might be? I can't make it out (which is why I asked), and "WXXI" is not, and never was, a valid reporting mark. I'll buy your explanation of the containment extensions. I'm just curious about such things as overall length, to see if these were rebuilt from old coal gons, or whatever. The bodies look like ACF Coalveyors, but the bottom looks like it was modified from the original "tubs". And, as I mentioned before, a full load of gravel would probably amount to about therr-quarters of the capacity of an unmodified coal gon. If I could find these cars in UMLER, I'd have a lot of the answers. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 5:43 PM Cant get it sharp enough to read... But I am with you, they look like rebuilt coal cars or old coke cars... Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, September 8, 2005 7:06 AM Thanks for the information. [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by edblysard Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply dehusman Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Omaha, NE 10,621 posts Posted by dehusman on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:07 AM They are RRMX 1000 series cars. Dave H. Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:25 AM Robertson Ready Mix, in So Cal? Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply dehusman Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Omaha, NE 10,621 posts Posted by dehusman on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:35 AM 40 easy rollers. Dave H. Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:37 AM Try XXXI 1036[:D][:)] Originally posted by CShaveRR [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply zapp Member sinceAugust 2003 From: weatherford,Tx 367 posts Posted by zapp on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:37 AM I looked up the train symbol using the unit number,and it shows to be a rock train. Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:43 AM Thanks for the reporting mark, Dave! It belongs to RRM Properties, Ltd. Not conclusive, but you're probably right, Ed, about Robertson Redi-Mix. The cars aren't shown in my ORERs, but UMLER shows that there are 44 of these, RRMX numbers 1001-1044. Overall length is 42 feet--which means that if they were coal gons, they were shortened in overall length by about 11 feet (not an impossible thing--I've recently seen some Ortner hoppers that appear to have been shortened for gravel service by Herzog). They're hoppers now (again, Herzog has rebuilt solid-bottom coal gons into high-speed ballast hoppers). The cars first showed up (apparently) in 2002, at least as RRMX cars (that's the date of the AEI tags--they could have had a prior identity, and I'm working on that). I'll hopefully get more information on these cars. Oh, yes--their commodity: gravel (big surprise!). Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:55 AM My son says he has the ability to blow up the pix so I am bringing him the CD this weekend & maybe he can see the reporting marks once it is blown up. I may also mention that this train had some sought of priority to it as they ran it around the double stack you see sitting there in another one of the photos. Above where the engine is heading there is a crossover from the north track which he was on to the south track which the doublestack was on. He also had real good pace to him even though he was taking the crossover. [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by CShaveRR Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply jeaton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Rockton, IL 4,821 posts Posted by jeaton on Thursday, September 8, 2005 12:32 PM Nice work guys. If the trolls and railroad bashers that frequent this place had a grasp of the depth of railroad knowledge among the many of forum members, we would be buried with requests to verify the latest conspiracy theories. At the moment , I am too lazy to check this out, but I seem to recall pictures of cars of a similar appearance in a recent Trains article about CSX operations in Florida where the pictured cars were used to haul phosphate rock. I am not suggesting that the cars the subject of this topic are hauling anything other than gravel, but the Trains article might offer a clue to the builder and subsequent modifications, if any of these RRMX cars. Jay "We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo Possum "We have met the anemone... and he is Russ." Bucky Katt "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr, Nobel laureate in physics Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, September 8, 2005 12:49 PM Thanks, Jay. The ribs do bear a slight resemblance to one of those phosphate cars in the illustration (June 2005, page 55), but I have a feeling that the ends are quite different. I'd like to be able to bask in the "knowledgeable railroader" limelight, but it isn't always what you know--you have to know how to find things out. Some people have knowledge about individual railroads and about diesel locomotives that I can only envy, because they know how to find it in some vast storehouse of information. If you were to look in my basement, you'd find a similar storehouse, but not the organization to put it to the best use. I do what I can. I happen to be a freight car freak, so the sight of these cars was exciting. I've never seen anything like that around here. But I can dig out the information (a.k.a. "I know this guy"), I hope, so I might be able to provide more on these cars than I already have, if they have a prior identity with which I'm more familiar. (The "feeler" is still out, by the way, soon to be joined by another one.) Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply 12 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by chad thomas [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 12:45 PM A reporting mark and number would help. With those, I could try and figure out a little more about the cars, perhaps even run a trace to see what's in them. These look a lot like ACF Coalveyor gons. If they were rebuilt for gravel service, they would have had slope sheets and hoppers added, since gravel is, unlike the above speculation, a very dense, heavy commodity. Beets, on the other hand, would best be shipped in even larger cars than these. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 1:03 PM It looks like WXXI 1039. If you look at the 3rd pix in the series you can see it [:o)][8D] http://vgalleries.com/members/railfan1/The+Trainfan.vrg Originally posted by CShaveRR [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 1:05 PM Upon closer inspection these don't look like the beet cars. The beet cars have mesh extentions on top, not solid, and they are bigger. Reply DaveBr Member sinceApril 2004 156 posts Posted by DaveBr on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 1:31 PM What.s the matter if they are cars used for cement ?Colton area isn't it? Davebr. raw cement that is. Reply dehusman Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Omaha, NE 10,621 posts Posted by dehusman on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 2:06 PM Guys. They are hauling gravel. Gravel is what is in the cars. They are gravel cars. The company they are going to uses gravel. The company they came from produces gravel. It is a unit gravel train. All the train does is haul gravel. It is not a beet train. It is not a ballast train. It is not a cement train. It is a gravel train. Dave H. Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 2:17 PM Garvel cars... The funky looking top is a containment/slope sheet, so they can be dumped on a rotary dumper if needed. Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 4:35 PM Ed, do you have an idea what the reporting mark might be? I can't make it out (which is why I asked), and "WXXI" is not, and never was, a valid reporting mark. I'll buy your explanation of the containment extensions. I'm just curious about such things as overall length, to see if these were rebuilt from old coal gons, or whatever. The bodies look like ACF Coalveyors, but the bottom looks like it was modified from the original "tubs". And, as I mentioned before, a full load of gravel would probably amount to about therr-quarters of the capacity of an unmodified coal gon. If I could find these cars in UMLER, I'd have a lot of the answers. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 5:43 PM Cant get it sharp enough to read... But I am with you, they look like rebuilt coal cars or old coke cars... Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, September 8, 2005 7:06 AM Thanks for the information. [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by edblysard Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply dehusman Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Omaha, NE 10,621 posts Posted by dehusman on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:07 AM They are RRMX 1000 series cars. Dave H. Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:25 AM Robertson Ready Mix, in So Cal? Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply dehusman Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Omaha, NE 10,621 posts Posted by dehusman on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:35 AM 40 easy rollers. Dave H. Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:37 AM Try XXXI 1036[:D][:)] Originally posted by CShaveRR [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply zapp Member sinceAugust 2003 From: weatherford,Tx 367 posts Posted by zapp on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:37 AM I looked up the train symbol using the unit number,and it shows to be a rock train. Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:43 AM Thanks for the reporting mark, Dave! It belongs to RRM Properties, Ltd. Not conclusive, but you're probably right, Ed, about Robertson Redi-Mix. The cars aren't shown in my ORERs, but UMLER shows that there are 44 of these, RRMX numbers 1001-1044. Overall length is 42 feet--which means that if they were coal gons, they were shortened in overall length by about 11 feet (not an impossible thing--I've recently seen some Ortner hoppers that appear to have been shortened for gravel service by Herzog). They're hoppers now (again, Herzog has rebuilt solid-bottom coal gons into high-speed ballast hoppers). The cars first showed up (apparently) in 2002, at least as RRMX cars (that's the date of the AEI tags--they could have had a prior identity, and I'm working on that). I'll hopefully get more information on these cars. Oh, yes--their commodity: gravel (big surprise!). Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:55 AM My son says he has the ability to blow up the pix so I am bringing him the CD this weekend & maybe he can see the reporting marks once it is blown up. I may also mention that this train had some sought of priority to it as they ran it around the double stack you see sitting there in another one of the photos. Above where the engine is heading there is a crossover from the north track which he was on to the south track which the doublestack was on. He also had real good pace to him even though he was taking the crossover. [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by CShaveRR Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply jeaton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Rockton, IL 4,821 posts Posted by jeaton on Thursday, September 8, 2005 12:32 PM Nice work guys. If the trolls and railroad bashers that frequent this place had a grasp of the depth of railroad knowledge among the many of forum members, we would be buried with requests to verify the latest conspiracy theories. At the moment , I am too lazy to check this out, but I seem to recall pictures of cars of a similar appearance in a recent Trains article about CSX operations in Florida where the pictured cars were used to haul phosphate rock. I am not suggesting that the cars the subject of this topic are hauling anything other than gravel, but the Trains article might offer a clue to the builder and subsequent modifications, if any of these RRMX cars. Jay "We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo Possum "We have met the anemone... and he is Russ." Bucky Katt "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr, Nobel laureate in physics Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, September 8, 2005 12:49 PM Thanks, Jay. The ribs do bear a slight resemblance to one of those phosphate cars in the illustration (June 2005, page 55), but I have a feeling that the ends are quite different. I'd like to be able to bask in the "knowledgeable railroader" limelight, but it isn't always what you know--you have to know how to find things out. Some people have knowledge about individual railroads and about diesel locomotives that I can only envy, because they know how to find it in some vast storehouse of information. If you were to look in my basement, you'd find a similar storehouse, but not the organization to put it to the best use. I do what I can. I happen to be a freight car freak, so the sight of these cars was exciting. I've never seen anything like that around here. But I can dig out the information (a.k.a. "I know this guy"), I hope, so I might be able to provide more on these cars than I already have, if they have a prior identity with which I'm more familiar. (The "feeler" is still out, by the way, soon to be joined by another one.) Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply 12 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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Originally posted by CShaveRR [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 1:05 PM Upon closer inspection these don't look like the beet cars. The beet cars have mesh extentions on top, not solid, and they are bigger. Reply DaveBr Member sinceApril 2004 156 posts Posted by DaveBr on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 1:31 PM What.s the matter if they are cars used for cement ?Colton area isn't it? Davebr. raw cement that is. Reply dehusman Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Omaha, NE 10,621 posts Posted by dehusman on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 2:06 PM Guys. They are hauling gravel. Gravel is what is in the cars. They are gravel cars. The company they are going to uses gravel. The company they came from produces gravel. It is a unit gravel train. All the train does is haul gravel. It is not a beet train. It is not a ballast train. It is not a cement train. It is a gravel train. Dave H. Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 2:17 PM Garvel cars... The funky looking top is a containment/slope sheet, so they can be dumped on a rotary dumper if needed. Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 4:35 PM Ed, do you have an idea what the reporting mark might be? I can't make it out (which is why I asked), and "WXXI" is not, and never was, a valid reporting mark. I'll buy your explanation of the containment extensions. I'm just curious about such things as overall length, to see if these were rebuilt from old coal gons, or whatever. The bodies look like ACF Coalveyors, but the bottom looks like it was modified from the original "tubs". And, as I mentioned before, a full load of gravel would probably amount to about therr-quarters of the capacity of an unmodified coal gon. If I could find these cars in UMLER, I'd have a lot of the answers. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 5:43 PM Cant get it sharp enough to read... But I am with you, they look like rebuilt coal cars or old coke cars... Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, September 8, 2005 7:06 AM Thanks for the information. [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by edblysard Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply dehusman Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Omaha, NE 10,621 posts Posted by dehusman on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:07 AM They are RRMX 1000 series cars. Dave H. Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:25 AM Robertson Ready Mix, in So Cal? Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply dehusman Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Omaha, NE 10,621 posts Posted by dehusman on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:35 AM 40 easy rollers. Dave H. Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:37 AM Try XXXI 1036[:D][:)] Originally posted by CShaveRR [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply zapp Member sinceAugust 2003 From: weatherford,Tx 367 posts Posted by zapp on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:37 AM I looked up the train symbol using the unit number,and it shows to be a rock train. Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:43 AM Thanks for the reporting mark, Dave! It belongs to RRM Properties, Ltd. Not conclusive, but you're probably right, Ed, about Robertson Redi-Mix. The cars aren't shown in my ORERs, but UMLER shows that there are 44 of these, RRMX numbers 1001-1044. Overall length is 42 feet--which means that if they were coal gons, they were shortened in overall length by about 11 feet (not an impossible thing--I've recently seen some Ortner hoppers that appear to have been shortened for gravel service by Herzog). They're hoppers now (again, Herzog has rebuilt solid-bottom coal gons into high-speed ballast hoppers). The cars first showed up (apparently) in 2002, at least as RRMX cars (that's the date of the AEI tags--they could have had a prior identity, and I'm working on that). I'll hopefully get more information on these cars. Oh, yes--their commodity: gravel (big surprise!). Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:55 AM My son says he has the ability to blow up the pix so I am bringing him the CD this weekend & maybe he can see the reporting marks once it is blown up. I may also mention that this train had some sought of priority to it as they ran it around the double stack you see sitting there in another one of the photos. Above where the engine is heading there is a crossover from the north track which he was on to the south track which the doublestack was on. He also had real good pace to him even though he was taking the crossover. [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by CShaveRR Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply jeaton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Rockton, IL 4,821 posts Posted by jeaton on Thursday, September 8, 2005 12:32 PM Nice work guys. If the trolls and railroad bashers that frequent this place had a grasp of the depth of railroad knowledge among the many of forum members, we would be buried with requests to verify the latest conspiracy theories. At the moment , I am too lazy to check this out, but I seem to recall pictures of cars of a similar appearance in a recent Trains article about CSX operations in Florida where the pictured cars were used to haul phosphate rock. I am not suggesting that the cars the subject of this topic are hauling anything other than gravel, but the Trains article might offer a clue to the builder and subsequent modifications, if any of these RRMX cars. Jay "We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo Possum "We have met the anemone... and he is Russ." Bucky Katt "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr, Nobel laureate in physics Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, September 8, 2005 12:49 PM Thanks, Jay. The ribs do bear a slight resemblance to one of those phosphate cars in the illustration (June 2005, page 55), but I have a feeling that the ends are quite different. I'd like to be able to bask in the "knowledgeable railroader" limelight, but it isn't always what you know--you have to know how to find things out. Some people have knowledge about individual railroads and about diesel locomotives that I can only envy, because they know how to find it in some vast storehouse of information. If you were to look in my basement, you'd find a similar storehouse, but not the organization to put it to the best use. I do what I can. I happen to be a freight car freak, so the sight of these cars was exciting. I've never seen anything like that around here. But I can dig out the information (a.k.a. "I know this guy"), I hope, so I might be able to provide more on these cars than I already have, if they have a prior identity with which I'm more familiar. (The "feeler" is still out, by the way, soon to be joined by another one.) Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply 12 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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Originally posted by edblysard Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply dehusman Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Omaha, NE 10,621 posts Posted by dehusman on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:07 AM They are RRMX 1000 series cars. Dave H. Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:25 AM Robertson Ready Mix, in So Cal? Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply dehusman Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Omaha, NE 10,621 posts Posted by dehusman on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:35 AM 40 easy rollers. Dave H. Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:37 AM Try XXXI 1036[:D][:)] Originally posted by CShaveRR [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply zapp Member sinceAugust 2003 From: weatherford,Tx 367 posts Posted by zapp on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:37 AM I looked up the train symbol using the unit number,and it shows to be a rock train. Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:43 AM Thanks for the reporting mark, Dave! It belongs to RRM Properties, Ltd. Not conclusive, but you're probably right, Ed, about Robertson Redi-Mix. The cars aren't shown in my ORERs, but UMLER shows that there are 44 of these, RRMX numbers 1001-1044. Overall length is 42 feet--which means that if they were coal gons, they were shortened in overall length by about 11 feet (not an impossible thing--I've recently seen some Ortner hoppers that appear to have been shortened for gravel service by Herzog). They're hoppers now (again, Herzog has rebuilt solid-bottom coal gons into high-speed ballast hoppers). The cars first showed up (apparently) in 2002, at least as RRMX cars (that's the date of the AEI tags--they could have had a prior identity, and I'm working on that). I'll hopefully get more information on these cars. Oh, yes--their commodity: gravel (big surprise!). Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:55 AM My son says he has the ability to blow up the pix so I am bringing him the CD this weekend & maybe he can see the reporting marks once it is blown up. I may also mention that this train had some sought of priority to it as they ran it around the double stack you see sitting there in another one of the photos. Above where the engine is heading there is a crossover from the north track which he was on to the south track which the doublestack was on. He also had real good pace to him even though he was taking the crossover. [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by CShaveRR Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply jeaton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Rockton, IL 4,821 posts Posted by jeaton on Thursday, September 8, 2005 12:32 PM Nice work guys. If the trolls and railroad bashers that frequent this place had a grasp of the depth of railroad knowledge among the many of forum members, we would be buried with requests to verify the latest conspiracy theories. At the moment , I am too lazy to check this out, but I seem to recall pictures of cars of a similar appearance in a recent Trains article about CSX operations in Florida where the pictured cars were used to haul phosphate rock. I am not suggesting that the cars the subject of this topic are hauling anything other than gravel, but the Trains article might offer a clue to the builder and subsequent modifications, if any of these RRMX cars. Jay "We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo Possum "We have met the anemone... and he is Russ." Bucky Katt "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr, Nobel laureate in physics Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, September 8, 2005 12:49 PM Thanks, Jay. The ribs do bear a slight resemblance to one of those phosphate cars in the illustration (June 2005, page 55), but I have a feeling that the ends are quite different. I'd like to be able to bask in the "knowledgeable railroader" limelight, but it isn't always what you know--you have to know how to find things out. Some people have knowledge about individual railroads and about diesel locomotives that I can only envy, because they know how to find it in some vast storehouse of information. If you were to look in my basement, you'd find a similar storehouse, but not the organization to put it to the best use. I do what I can. I happen to be a freight car freak, so the sight of these cars was exciting. I've never seen anything like that around here. But I can dig out the information (a.k.a. "I know this guy"), I hope, so I might be able to provide more on these cars than I already have, if they have a prior identity with which I'm more familiar. (The "feeler" is still out, by the way, soon to be joined by another one.) Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply 12 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by CShaveRR [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply zapp Member sinceAugust 2003 From: weatherford,Tx 367 posts Posted by zapp on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:37 AM I looked up the train symbol using the unit number,and it shows to be a rock train. Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:43 AM Thanks for the reporting mark, Dave! It belongs to RRM Properties, Ltd. Not conclusive, but you're probably right, Ed, about Robertson Redi-Mix. The cars aren't shown in my ORERs, but UMLER shows that there are 44 of these, RRMX numbers 1001-1044. Overall length is 42 feet--which means that if they were coal gons, they were shortened in overall length by about 11 feet (not an impossible thing--I've recently seen some Ortner hoppers that appear to have been shortened for gravel service by Herzog). They're hoppers now (again, Herzog has rebuilt solid-bottom coal gons into high-speed ballast hoppers). The cars first showed up (apparently) in 2002, at least as RRMX cars (that's the date of the AEI tags--they could have had a prior identity, and I'm working on that). I'll hopefully get more information on these cars. Oh, yes--their commodity: gravel (big surprise!). Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, September 8, 2005 10:55 AM My son says he has the ability to blow up the pix so I am bringing him the CD this weekend & maybe he can see the reporting marks once it is blown up. I may also mention that this train had some sought of priority to it as they ran it around the double stack you see sitting there in another one of the photos. Above where the engine is heading there is a crossover from the north track which he was on to the south track which the doublestack was on. He also had real good pace to him even though he was taking the crossover. [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by CShaveRR Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply jeaton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Rockton, IL 4,821 posts Posted by jeaton on Thursday, September 8, 2005 12:32 PM Nice work guys. If the trolls and railroad bashers that frequent this place had a grasp of the depth of railroad knowledge among the many of forum members, we would be buried with requests to verify the latest conspiracy theories. At the moment , I am too lazy to check this out, but I seem to recall pictures of cars of a similar appearance in a recent Trains article about CSX operations in Florida where the pictured cars were used to haul phosphate rock. I am not suggesting that the cars the subject of this topic are hauling anything other than gravel, but the Trains article might offer a clue to the builder and subsequent modifications, if any of these RRMX cars. Jay "We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo Possum "We have met the anemone... and he is Russ." Bucky Katt "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr, Nobel laureate in physics Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, September 8, 2005 12:49 PM Thanks, Jay. The ribs do bear a slight resemblance to one of those phosphate cars in the illustration (June 2005, page 55), but I have a feeling that the ends are quite different. I'd like to be able to bask in the "knowledgeable railroader" limelight, but it isn't always what you know--you have to know how to find things out. Some people have knowledge about individual railroads and about diesel locomotives that I can only envy, because they know how to find it in some vast storehouse of information. If you were to look in my basement, you'd find a similar storehouse, but not the organization to put it to the best use. I do what I can. I happen to be a freight car freak, so the sight of these cars was exciting. I've never seen anything like that around here. But I can dig out the information (a.k.a. "I know this guy"), I hope, so I might be able to provide more on these cars than I already have, if they have a prior identity with which I'm more familiar. (The "feeler" is still out, by the way, soon to be joined by another one.) Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply 12 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. 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Originally posted by CShaveRR Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply jeaton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Rockton, IL 4,821 posts Posted by jeaton on Thursday, September 8, 2005 12:32 PM Nice work guys. If the trolls and railroad bashers that frequent this place had a grasp of the depth of railroad knowledge among the many of forum members, we would be buried with requests to verify the latest conspiracy theories. At the moment , I am too lazy to check this out, but I seem to recall pictures of cars of a similar appearance in a recent Trains article about CSX operations in Florida where the pictured cars were used to haul phosphate rock. I am not suggesting that the cars the subject of this topic are hauling anything other than gravel, but the Trains article might offer a clue to the builder and subsequent modifications, if any of these RRMX cars. Jay "We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo Possum "We have met the anemone... and he is Russ." Bucky Katt "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr, Nobel laureate in physics Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, September 8, 2005 12:49 PM Thanks, Jay. The ribs do bear a slight resemblance to one of those phosphate cars in the illustration (June 2005, page 55), but I have a feeling that the ends are quite different. I'd like to be able to bask in the "knowledgeable railroader" limelight, but it isn't always what you know--you have to know how to find things out. Some people have knowledge about individual railroads and about diesel locomotives that I can only envy, because they know how to find it in some vast storehouse of information. If you were to look in my basement, you'd find a similar storehouse, but not the organization to put it to the best use. I do what I can. I happen to be a freight car freak, so the sight of these cars was exciting. I've never seen anything like that around here. But I can dig out the information (a.k.a. "I know this guy"), I hope, so I might be able to provide more on these cars than I already have, if they have a prior identity with which I'm more familiar. (The "feeler" is still out, by the way, soon to be joined by another one.) Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply 12 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
"We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo Possum "We have met the anemone... and he is Russ." Bucky Katt "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr, Nobel laureate in physics
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