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Get ready for one man crews on the Main line.

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Posted by jeffhergert on Tuesday, September 6, 2005 11:43 AM
They (UP) say they're ready for one man crews, but they're still hiring trainmen.
If they believed they were close to going engineer only, they wouldn't keep on hiring like they are. Not because they have any qualms about furloughing employees when business slows, but because of the cost involved in training new employees only to cut them off permanently.
Even if they aren't realistically ready for one man crews, they can benefit by forcing the UTU to renegotiate crew consists. Just imagine what give backs the company could get to keep the conductor. At the very least, they could get rid of the few remaining brakemen assignments.
And yes, if one man crews came to pass, they would have U (utility) men with trucks to help with break in twos or to check problems. Some areas already have them to help out with minor mechanical problems. At Fremont, NE there is one. The job is called Foreman General.
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Posted by DPD1 on Monday, September 5, 2005 1:41 PM
I still don't get how this would work... The train has to be walked from defects all the time. So then they have to contract a third party to patrol the whole line in trucks acting as U men? Of course those would be nonunion, but it seems kind of ridiculous to go through all that.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 5, 2005 1:33 PM
Sure...Now that the Caboose has been gone for a long time,So will the Conductors and then the Engineers.......Then someday Trains will going from coast to coast with NO crews at all. Hmmm,Makes you wounder doesn't it? Some where I heard UP's John Bromely say that awhile back. Allan.
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Posted by arbfbe on Monday, September 5, 2005 12:38 PM
Yeah, sure the UP needs one man crews to be competitive, with whom? The trucker who handles two 40 foot trailers or three 28 foot pups at best? Isn't UP the company who has been turning away business from long term customers? So lower crew costs will allow them to reduce rates to attract more business?

It is all smoke and mirrors, they only want to reduce employment levels and perhaps improve the bottom line for stock holders. We all know how well remote switch engines have lived up to their predictions in that regard.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 5, 2005 12:21 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear

QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan.

I can't just see Trains going down the Main line with only just the Engineer only. What would happen if the Engineer where to fall asleep at the Throttle?


No problem. You just pull off at the rest area and take a nap, right FM??

LC


Sure, as long as you got a sleeper cab.
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Posted by Junctionfan on Monday, September 5, 2005 12:09 PM
I heard that every once in awhile, the engineer has to push a button or something like that just to make sure everything is o.k. Failure to do it with in a certain time frame and the train automatically goes into emergency and alerts dispatch of the alarm.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 5, 2005 12:04 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan.

I can't just see Trains going down the Main line with only just the Engineer only. What would happen if the Engineer where to fall asleep at the Throttle?


No problem. You just pull off at the rest area and take a nap, right FM??

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Posted by Rodney Beck on Monday, September 5, 2005 10:23 AM
Us railroaders belive nothing what we hear and half of what we see (lol).

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 4, 2005 11:58 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan.

I can't just see Trains going down the Main line with only just the Engineer only. What would happen if the Engineer where to fall asleep at the Throttle?


Exactly ! ! !

I am not sure how many railroads are actually pushing this. But you can bet that if UP were given the green light to reduce train crews to only one person, EVERY railroad would jump on that bandwagon.

Given the past stories about crew fatigue I think one person crews is a hugh diaster waiting to happen.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 4, 2005 10:59 PM
I can't just see Trains going down the Main line with only just the Engineer only. What would happen if the Engineer where to fall asleep at the Throttle?
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Posted by Jordan6 on Sunday, September 4, 2005 10:56 PM
Won't believe it, until I see it.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 4, 2005 8:48 PM
Is that death and chaos i smell in the oven? [:0]
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 4, 2005 7:01 PM
Just sign up with your Name and your E-mail addresse.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 4, 2005 6:45 PM
yeah i would like to get to read the entire article
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 4, 2005 6:23 PM
Too bad you have to be a member to read the whole article, I only got to read the first 3 sentences.
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Posted by Modelcar on Sunday, September 4, 2005 4:34 PM
....That's one change and "improvement" to allow the RR to be competitive...I hope we never see....! That sounds too crazy....a profit margin that thin that such drastic measures would be necessary to be competitive...

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Posted by edblysard on Sunday, September 4, 2005 3:22 PM
Well,
I am sure the Omaha Herald knows mind of a Federal court judge...
Guess the Federal Judge who is deciding if it is even legal for the carriers to attempt to negotiate crew consist changes must have called and tipped them off to his decision.
Can’t wait to hear what the Herald says about the Judges decision on FELA.
Please keep us up to date on all of this…

Ed

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Get ready for one man crews on the Main line.
Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 4, 2005 2:47 PM
http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=46&u_sid=2007514
Allan.

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