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QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan FEC is a very well preserved shortline now. Big on aggregates (plenty of ortner cars) and intermodal cars (tofc and well cars). I don't know much more then that.
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Originally posted by BNSF4ever [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply CSSHEGEWISCH Member sinceMarch 2016 From: Burbank IL (near Clearing) 13,509 posts Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:54 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by cpbloom Might it be that FEC is not exactly "railfan friendly" which is why you haven't heard of/from them? Those of us who remember what happened with FEC in the 1960's and early 1970's will understand why they may not be "railfan friendly". It's also a relatively small road and its power rarely goes north of Jacksonville (off-line). The daily commute is part of everyday life but I get two rides a day out of it. Paul Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:29 AM I lived in NJ in the 60s & 70s so what happen to the FEC that supposely makes then so unfriendly? When my car is being serviced I cross over Dixie Highway & watch the tracks & have never/ever been bothered. [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by CSSHEGEWISCH Originally posted by cpbloom Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,059 posts Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:33 AM There is even some thought of restoring passenger service. It is a natural, paralleling a congested highway with populated towns all along the route. It would require plant expansion however. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:45 AM With the present condition of A/Trak & with Tri-rail now completing the double track of the former CSX from WPB to Miami & with a Bush as our governor chances of what you posted is the same as saying we will be landing a man on the moon in the next day or so. [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by daveklepper Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,641 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:16 AM FEC is a well maintained road. Train crews are generally friendly, but the railroad is strict about the "No Trespassing" policy. Just stay out of their yards and off the tracks. Take photos from the public, you'll likely have no problems. FEC runs through a "hot" metropolitan area: Broward and Dade counties........better known as Ft. Lauderdale and Miami. Sadly these cities are hotbeds of crime and illegal immigration. Top it off, we now have terrorists nut jobs to worry about, so, if I were an FEC manager, I'd be paranoid too ( Yes, I visit Miami often as I have family there ) . Stay safe! "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:22 AM Indian River, St Lucie, Martin & Palm Beach counties are just to name a few counties that the FEC goes thru that you omitted from your post[:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by AntonioFP45 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,641 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:25 AM You're right SPBed. But I only mentioned those two counties as one of the reasons why FEC seems so "tough" regarding property limits. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:32 AM FEC's unions went on strike in the 1960's and the railroad continued to operate using management. Some railroad bridges were blown up, which likely contributed to the railroad's feelings towards people trackside, plus what was mentioned before about FEC's tracks running through rough neighbourhoods. The strikes also put a temporary end to FEC's passenger service, (much to Atlantic Coast Line's chagrin) until the state of Florida forced the railroad to provide some sort of service for a few more years. FEC was also the first Class One railroad to go cabooseless. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:07 PM No have to disagree as the FEC runs right along Dixie Highway at least in PB & Broward counties & you can just stay on city property & NOBODY will ever bother you taking pix after pix. While I have not seen the FEC in Dade county I will presume it crosses also EVERY east/west cross street just like it does in PB/Broward/St. Lucie/Indian River/Martin + whatever counties are further northward from the ones I mentioned. Actually the FEC is by far with CSX/Tri-rail & A/trak some of the most accessable RRs that I have come across as they run right thru about every major city in at least PB,Broward & Dade counties. Every east/west cross street is a place to view them & there are lots of cross east./west streets. [:p][:I] Originally posted by AntonioFP45 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply oskar Member sinceAugust 2003 1,092 posts Posted by oskar on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 6:06 PM FEC is railfan freindly in FEC's Bowden yard they say you can take as many pictures as you want AS LONG AS YOU STAY OFF THE TRACKS works good for me.FEC is basicly CSX and NS some of their trains mostly piggy and double stack get droped off in Bowden then FEC takes over the train and takes it south. kevin Reply BNSF4ever Member sinceDecember 2004 380 posts Posted by BNSF4ever on Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:37 AM So the regional FEC is the same as the old FEC? I thought the "old" FEC was merged into the Seaboard System? Did CSX spin-off FEC? Reply nanaimo73 Member sinceApril 2005 From: Nanaimo BC Canada 4,117 posts Posted by nanaimo73 on Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:43 AM FEC has always been independant. It was a class 1 until 1992 when the threshold was raised to $250 million. It did come very close to being part of the Atlantic Coast Line in 1954. Dale Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,641 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Thursday, August 25, 2005 6:31 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF4ever So the regional FEC is the same as the old FEC? I thought the "old" FEC was merged into the Seaboard System? Did CSX spin-off FEC? Nope! FEC has been around since the early 1900s. Profitable railroad. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, August 25, 2005 6:36 AM Right it was never merged & is the same FEC that once went all the way down to Key West Fl. [:o)][8D] Originally posted by BNSF4ever [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,059 posts Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:01 AM Some confusion may exist because up to the time of a strike in the 1960's, the FEC as an independent operated itself as the Jacksonville - Miami extension of the double track Atlantic Coast Line main line from Richmmond, VA. All the ACL's Miami streamliners ran over the FEC except the West Coast Campion which didn't serve Miami. FEC passenger rolling stock was identacle to and painted in the same colors as the ACL. When the FEC was struck, the ACL quickly negotiated a deal with its arch rival Seabord, and ran the Miami service on its own line through Orlando to a connection with the Seabord at Auburndale, and this is the main passenger Amtrak route to Miami today. When the FEX resumed operations as a non-union company, it was ordered to operate a daily passenger train of its own, and this was a classy little pocket streamliner complete with round-end observation-lounge-diner and two or three coaches, all stainless, with one E-7 A unit. It did not last until Amtrak, and I am unsure when it quit. Restoration of passenger service on the FEC would mean return of pasenger service to St. Augustine, an imortant vacation spot. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:54 AM Thanks but I think the starter of the thread was talking about freight not passenger. You are aware that the FEC was started by Flager & has from the best of my knowledge ALWAYs been a seperate RR & operated there own trains between Jax & Miami & then on to Key West when that extension was finished. If you are saying that ACL used to turn there trains over to the FEC @ Jax that maybe correct. From time to time History channel runs a program on how the highway was built between Miami & Key West & discusses how the FEC built the route from key to key from Miami to Key West. [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by daveklepper [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply CSSHEGEWISCH Member sinceMarch 2016 From: Burbank IL (near Clearing) 13,509 posts Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:56 AM The court-ordered Jacksonville-Miami passenger train ran until 1968 or 1969 when it died for lack of customers. FEC, until about the 1960's, could hardly be considered a profitable operation. It went into receivership shortly after the collapse of the Florida Boom of the 1920's and was one of the few railroads to have motive power repossessed by its creditors. The daily commute is part of everyday life but I get two rides a day out of it. Paul Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:04 AM Actually I think it went bankrupt several times. [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by CSSHEGEWISCH Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply BNSF4ever Member sinceDecember 2004 380 posts Posted by BNSF4ever on Thursday, August 25, 2005 10:23 AM Thanks everyone--you learn something new everyday! I will give FEC this--their well cars were the cleanest I saw! Reply oskar Member sinceAugust 2003 1,092 posts Posted by oskar on Thursday, August 25, 2005 2:28 PM and most of the engines I see they are all clean maybe some little dirt on the EX UP's kevin Reply 12 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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QUOTE: Originally posted by cpbloom Might it be that FEC is not exactly "railfan friendly" which is why you haven't heard of/from them?
Originally posted by CSSHEGEWISCH Originally posted by cpbloom Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,059 posts Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:33 AM There is even some thought of restoring passenger service. It is a natural, paralleling a congested highway with populated towns all along the route. It would require plant expansion however. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:45 AM With the present condition of A/Trak & with Tri-rail now completing the double track of the former CSX from WPB to Miami & with a Bush as our governor chances of what you posted is the same as saying we will be landing a man on the moon in the next day or so. [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by daveklepper Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,641 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:16 AM FEC is a well maintained road. Train crews are generally friendly, but the railroad is strict about the "No Trespassing" policy. Just stay out of their yards and off the tracks. Take photos from the public, you'll likely have no problems. FEC runs through a "hot" metropolitan area: Broward and Dade counties........better known as Ft. Lauderdale and Miami. Sadly these cities are hotbeds of crime and illegal immigration. Top it off, we now have terrorists nut jobs to worry about, so, if I were an FEC manager, I'd be paranoid too ( Yes, I visit Miami often as I have family there ) . Stay safe! "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:22 AM Indian River, St Lucie, Martin & Palm Beach counties are just to name a few counties that the FEC goes thru that you omitted from your post[:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by AntonioFP45 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,641 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:25 AM You're right SPBed. But I only mentioned those two counties as one of the reasons why FEC seems so "tough" regarding property limits. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:32 AM FEC's unions went on strike in the 1960's and the railroad continued to operate using management. Some railroad bridges were blown up, which likely contributed to the railroad's feelings towards people trackside, plus what was mentioned before about FEC's tracks running through rough neighbourhoods. The strikes also put a temporary end to FEC's passenger service, (much to Atlantic Coast Line's chagrin) until the state of Florida forced the railroad to provide some sort of service for a few more years. FEC was also the first Class One railroad to go cabooseless. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:07 PM No have to disagree as the FEC runs right along Dixie Highway at least in PB & Broward counties & you can just stay on city property & NOBODY will ever bother you taking pix after pix. While I have not seen the FEC in Dade county I will presume it crosses also EVERY east/west cross street just like it does in PB/Broward/St. Lucie/Indian River/Martin + whatever counties are further northward from the ones I mentioned. Actually the FEC is by far with CSX/Tri-rail & A/trak some of the most accessable RRs that I have come across as they run right thru about every major city in at least PB,Broward & Dade counties. Every east/west cross street is a place to view them & there are lots of cross east./west streets. [:p][:I] Originally posted by AntonioFP45 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply oskar Member sinceAugust 2003 1,092 posts Posted by oskar on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 6:06 PM FEC is railfan freindly in FEC's Bowden yard they say you can take as many pictures as you want AS LONG AS YOU STAY OFF THE TRACKS works good for me.FEC is basicly CSX and NS some of their trains mostly piggy and double stack get droped off in Bowden then FEC takes over the train and takes it south. kevin Reply BNSF4ever Member sinceDecember 2004 380 posts Posted by BNSF4ever on Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:37 AM So the regional FEC is the same as the old FEC? I thought the "old" FEC was merged into the Seaboard System? Did CSX spin-off FEC? Reply nanaimo73 Member sinceApril 2005 From: Nanaimo BC Canada 4,117 posts Posted by nanaimo73 on Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:43 AM FEC has always been independant. It was a class 1 until 1992 when the threshold was raised to $250 million. It did come very close to being part of the Atlantic Coast Line in 1954. Dale Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,641 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Thursday, August 25, 2005 6:31 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF4ever So the regional FEC is the same as the old FEC? I thought the "old" FEC was merged into the Seaboard System? Did CSX spin-off FEC? Nope! FEC has been around since the early 1900s. Profitable railroad. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, August 25, 2005 6:36 AM Right it was never merged & is the same FEC that once went all the way down to Key West Fl. [:o)][8D] Originally posted by BNSF4ever [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,059 posts Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:01 AM Some confusion may exist because up to the time of a strike in the 1960's, the FEC as an independent operated itself as the Jacksonville - Miami extension of the double track Atlantic Coast Line main line from Richmmond, VA. All the ACL's Miami streamliners ran over the FEC except the West Coast Campion which didn't serve Miami. FEC passenger rolling stock was identacle to and painted in the same colors as the ACL. When the FEC was struck, the ACL quickly negotiated a deal with its arch rival Seabord, and ran the Miami service on its own line through Orlando to a connection with the Seabord at Auburndale, and this is the main passenger Amtrak route to Miami today. When the FEX resumed operations as a non-union company, it was ordered to operate a daily passenger train of its own, and this was a classy little pocket streamliner complete with round-end observation-lounge-diner and two or three coaches, all stainless, with one E-7 A unit. It did not last until Amtrak, and I am unsure when it quit. Restoration of passenger service on the FEC would mean return of pasenger service to St. Augustine, an imortant vacation spot. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:54 AM Thanks but I think the starter of the thread was talking about freight not passenger. You are aware that the FEC was started by Flager & has from the best of my knowledge ALWAYs been a seperate RR & operated there own trains between Jax & Miami & then on to Key West when that extension was finished. If you are saying that ACL used to turn there trains over to the FEC @ Jax that maybe correct. From time to time History channel runs a program on how the highway was built between Miami & Key West & discusses how the FEC built the route from key to key from Miami to Key West. [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by daveklepper [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply CSSHEGEWISCH Member sinceMarch 2016 From: Burbank IL (near Clearing) 13,509 posts Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:56 AM The court-ordered Jacksonville-Miami passenger train ran until 1968 or 1969 when it died for lack of customers. FEC, until about the 1960's, could hardly be considered a profitable operation. It went into receivership shortly after the collapse of the Florida Boom of the 1920's and was one of the few railroads to have motive power repossessed by its creditors. The daily commute is part of everyday life but I get two rides a day out of it. Paul Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:04 AM Actually I think it went bankrupt several times. [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by CSSHEGEWISCH Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply BNSF4ever Member sinceDecember 2004 380 posts Posted by BNSF4ever on Thursday, August 25, 2005 10:23 AM Thanks everyone--you learn something new everyday! I will give FEC this--their well cars were the cleanest I saw! Reply oskar Member sinceAugust 2003 1,092 posts Posted by oskar on Thursday, August 25, 2005 2:28 PM and most of the engines I see they are all clean maybe some little dirt on the EX UP's kevin Reply 12 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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Originally posted by cpbloom Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,059 posts Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:33 AM There is even some thought of restoring passenger service. It is a natural, paralleling a congested highway with populated towns all along the route. It would require plant expansion however. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:45 AM With the present condition of A/Trak & with Tri-rail now completing the double track of the former CSX from WPB to Miami & with a Bush as our governor chances of what you posted is the same as saying we will be landing a man on the moon in the next day or so. [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by daveklepper Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,641 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:16 AM FEC is a well maintained road. Train crews are generally friendly, but the railroad is strict about the "No Trespassing" policy. Just stay out of their yards and off the tracks. Take photos from the public, you'll likely have no problems. FEC runs through a "hot" metropolitan area: Broward and Dade counties........better known as Ft. Lauderdale and Miami. Sadly these cities are hotbeds of crime and illegal immigration. Top it off, we now have terrorists nut jobs to worry about, so, if I were an FEC manager, I'd be paranoid too ( Yes, I visit Miami often as I have family there ) . Stay safe! "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:22 AM Indian River, St Lucie, Martin & Palm Beach counties are just to name a few counties that the FEC goes thru that you omitted from your post[:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by AntonioFP45 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,641 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:25 AM You're right SPBed. But I only mentioned those two counties as one of the reasons why FEC seems so "tough" regarding property limits. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:32 AM FEC's unions went on strike in the 1960's and the railroad continued to operate using management. Some railroad bridges were blown up, which likely contributed to the railroad's feelings towards people trackside, plus what was mentioned before about FEC's tracks running through rough neighbourhoods. The strikes also put a temporary end to FEC's passenger service, (much to Atlantic Coast Line's chagrin) until the state of Florida forced the railroad to provide some sort of service for a few more years. FEC was also the first Class One railroad to go cabooseless. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:07 PM No have to disagree as the FEC runs right along Dixie Highway at least in PB & Broward counties & you can just stay on city property & NOBODY will ever bother you taking pix after pix. While I have not seen the FEC in Dade county I will presume it crosses also EVERY east/west cross street just like it does in PB/Broward/St. Lucie/Indian River/Martin + whatever counties are further northward from the ones I mentioned. Actually the FEC is by far with CSX/Tri-rail & A/trak some of the most accessable RRs that I have come across as they run right thru about every major city in at least PB,Broward & Dade counties. Every east/west cross street is a place to view them & there are lots of cross east./west streets. [:p][:I] Originally posted by AntonioFP45 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply oskar Member sinceAugust 2003 1,092 posts Posted by oskar on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 6:06 PM FEC is railfan freindly in FEC's Bowden yard they say you can take as many pictures as you want AS LONG AS YOU STAY OFF THE TRACKS works good for me.FEC is basicly CSX and NS some of their trains mostly piggy and double stack get droped off in Bowden then FEC takes over the train and takes it south. kevin Reply BNSF4ever Member sinceDecember 2004 380 posts Posted by BNSF4ever on Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:37 AM So the regional FEC is the same as the old FEC? I thought the "old" FEC was merged into the Seaboard System? Did CSX spin-off FEC? Reply nanaimo73 Member sinceApril 2005 From: Nanaimo BC Canada 4,117 posts Posted by nanaimo73 on Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:43 AM FEC has always been independant. It was a class 1 until 1992 when the threshold was raised to $250 million. It did come very close to being part of the Atlantic Coast Line in 1954. Dale Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,641 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Thursday, August 25, 2005 6:31 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF4ever So the regional FEC is the same as the old FEC? I thought the "old" FEC was merged into the Seaboard System? Did CSX spin-off FEC? Nope! FEC has been around since the early 1900s. Profitable railroad. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, August 25, 2005 6:36 AM Right it was never merged & is the same FEC that once went all the way down to Key West Fl. [:o)][8D] Originally posted by BNSF4ever [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,059 posts Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:01 AM Some confusion may exist because up to the time of a strike in the 1960's, the FEC as an independent operated itself as the Jacksonville - Miami extension of the double track Atlantic Coast Line main line from Richmmond, VA. All the ACL's Miami streamliners ran over the FEC except the West Coast Campion which didn't serve Miami. FEC passenger rolling stock was identacle to and painted in the same colors as the ACL. When the FEC was struck, the ACL quickly negotiated a deal with its arch rival Seabord, and ran the Miami service on its own line through Orlando to a connection with the Seabord at Auburndale, and this is the main passenger Amtrak route to Miami today. When the FEX resumed operations as a non-union company, it was ordered to operate a daily passenger train of its own, and this was a classy little pocket streamliner complete with round-end observation-lounge-diner and two or three coaches, all stainless, with one E-7 A unit. It did not last until Amtrak, and I am unsure when it quit. Restoration of passenger service on the FEC would mean return of pasenger service to St. Augustine, an imortant vacation spot. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:54 AM Thanks but I think the starter of the thread was talking about freight not passenger. You are aware that the FEC was started by Flager & has from the best of my knowledge ALWAYs been a seperate RR & operated there own trains between Jax & Miami & then on to Key West when that extension was finished. If you are saying that ACL used to turn there trains over to the FEC @ Jax that maybe correct. From time to time History channel runs a program on how the highway was built between Miami & Key West & discusses how the FEC built the route from key to key from Miami to Key West. [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by daveklepper [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply CSSHEGEWISCH Member sinceMarch 2016 From: Burbank IL (near Clearing) 13,509 posts Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:56 AM The court-ordered Jacksonville-Miami passenger train ran until 1968 or 1969 when it died for lack of customers. FEC, until about the 1960's, could hardly be considered a profitable operation. It went into receivership shortly after the collapse of the Florida Boom of the 1920's and was one of the few railroads to have motive power repossessed by its creditors. The daily commute is part of everyday life but I get two rides a day out of it. Paul Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:04 AM Actually I think it went bankrupt several times. [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by CSSHEGEWISCH Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply BNSF4ever Member sinceDecember 2004 380 posts Posted by BNSF4ever on Thursday, August 25, 2005 10:23 AM Thanks everyone--you learn something new everyday! I will give FEC this--their well cars were the cleanest I saw! Reply oskar Member sinceAugust 2003 1,092 posts Posted by oskar on Thursday, August 25, 2005 2:28 PM and most of the engines I see they are all clean maybe some little dirt on the EX UP's kevin Reply 12 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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Originally posted by daveklepper Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,641 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:16 AM FEC is a well maintained road. Train crews are generally friendly, but the railroad is strict about the "No Trespassing" policy. Just stay out of their yards and off the tracks. Take photos from the public, you'll likely have no problems. FEC runs through a "hot" metropolitan area: Broward and Dade counties........better known as Ft. Lauderdale and Miami. Sadly these cities are hotbeds of crime and illegal immigration. Top it off, we now have terrorists nut jobs to worry about, so, if I were an FEC manager, I'd be paranoid too ( Yes, I visit Miami often as I have family there ) . Stay safe! "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:22 AM Indian River, St Lucie, Martin & Palm Beach counties are just to name a few counties that the FEC goes thru that you omitted from your post[:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by AntonioFP45 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,641 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:25 AM You're right SPBed. But I only mentioned those two counties as one of the reasons why FEC seems so "tough" regarding property limits. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:32 AM FEC's unions went on strike in the 1960's and the railroad continued to operate using management. Some railroad bridges were blown up, which likely contributed to the railroad's feelings towards people trackside, plus what was mentioned before about FEC's tracks running through rough neighbourhoods. The strikes also put a temporary end to FEC's passenger service, (much to Atlantic Coast Line's chagrin) until the state of Florida forced the railroad to provide some sort of service for a few more years. FEC was also the first Class One railroad to go cabooseless. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:07 PM No have to disagree as the FEC runs right along Dixie Highway at least in PB & Broward counties & you can just stay on city property & NOBODY will ever bother you taking pix after pix. While I have not seen the FEC in Dade county I will presume it crosses also EVERY east/west cross street just like it does in PB/Broward/St. Lucie/Indian River/Martin + whatever counties are further northward from the ones I mentioned. Actually the FEC is by far with CSX/Tri-rail & A/trak some of the most accessable RRs that I have come across as they run right thru about every major city in at least PB,Broward & Dade counties. Every east/west cross street is a place to view them & there are lots of cross east./west streets. [:p][:I] Originally posted by AntonioFP45 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply oskar Member sinceAugust 2003 1,092 posts Posted by oskar on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 6:06 PM FEC is railfan freindly in FEC's Bowden yard they say you can take as many pictures as you want AS LONG AS YOU STAY OFF THE TRACKS works good for me.FEC is basicly CSX and NS some of their trains mostly piggy and double stack get droped off in Bowden then FEC takes over the train and takes it south. kevin Reply BNSF4ever Member sinceDecember 2004 380 posts Posted by BNSF4ever on Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:37 AM So the regional FEC is the same as the old FEC? I thought the "old" FEC was merged into the Seaboard System? Did CSX spin-off FEC? Reply nanaimo73 Member sinceApril 2005 From: Nanaimo BC Canada 4,117 posts Posted by nanaimo73 on Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:43 AM FEC has always been independant. It was a class 1 until 1992 when the threshold was raised to $250 million. It did come very close to being part of the Atlantic Coast Line in 1954. Dale Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,641 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Thursday, August 25, 2005 6:31 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF4ever So the regional FEC is the same as the old FEC? I thought the "old" FEC was merged into the Seaboard System? Did CSX spin-off FEC? Nope! FEC has been around since the early 1900s. Profitable railroad. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, August 25, 2005 6:36 AM Right it was never merged & is the same FEC that once went all the way down to Key West Fl. [:o)][8D] Originally posted by BNSF4ever [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,059 posts Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:01 AM Some confusion may exist because up to the time of a strike in the 1960's, the FEC as an independent operated itself as the Jacksonville - Miami extension of the double track Atlantic Coast Line main line from Richmmond, VA. All the ACL's Miami streamliners ran over the FEC except the West Coast Campion which didn't serve Miami. FEC passenger rolling stock was identacle to and painted in the same colors as the ACL. When the FEC was struck, the ACL quickly negotiated a deal with its arch rival Seabord, and ran the Miami service on its own line through Orlando to a connection with the Seabord at Auburndale, and this is the main passenger Amtrak route to Miami today. When the FEX resumed operations as a non-union company, it was ordered to operate a daily passenger train of its own, and this was a classy little pocket streamliner complete with round-end observation-lounge-diner and two or three coaches, all stainless, with one E-7 A unit. It did not last until Amtrak, and I am unsure when it quit. Restoration of passenger service on the FEC would mean return of pasenger service to St. Augustine, an imortant vacation spot. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:54 AM Thanks but I think the starter of the thread was talking about freight not passenger. You are aware that the FEC was started by Flager & has from the best of my knowledge ALWAYs been a seperate RR & operated there own trains between Jax & Miami & then on to Key West when that extension was finished. If you are saying that ACL used to turn there trains over to the FEC @ Jax that maybe correct. From time to time History channel runs a program on how the highway was built between Miami & Key West & discusses how the FEC built the route from key to key from Miami to Key West. [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by daveklepper [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply CSSHEGEWISCH Member sinceMarch 2016 From: Burbank IL (near Clearing) 13,509 posts Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:56 AM The court-ordered Jacksonville-Miami passenger train ran until 1968 or 1969 when it died for lack of customers. FEC, until about the 1960's, could hardly be considered a profitable operation. It went into receivership shortly after the collapse of the Florida Boom of the 1920's and was one of the few railroads to have motive power repossessed by its creditors. The daily commute is part of everyday life but I get two rides a day out of it. Paul Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:04 AM Actually I think it went bankrupt several times. [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by CSSHEGEWISCH Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply BNSF4ever Member sinceDecember 2004 380 posts Posted by BNSF4ever on Thursday, August 25, 2005 10:23 AM Thanks everyone--you learn something new everyday! I will give FEC this--their well cars were the cleanest I saw! Reply oskar Member sinceAugust 2003 1,092 posts Posted by oskar on Thursday, August 25, 2005 2:28 PM and most of the engines I see they are all clean maybe some little dirt on the EX UP's kevin Reply 12 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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Originally posted by AntonioFP45 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,641 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:25 AM You're right SPBed. But I only mentioned those two counties as one of the reasons why FEC seems so "tough" regarding property limits. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:32 AM FEC's unions went on strike in the 1960's and the railroad continued to operate using management. Some railroad bridges were blown up, which likely contributed to the railroad's feelings towards people trackside, plus what was mentioned before about FEC's tracks running through rough neighbourhoods. The strikes also put a temporary end to FEC's passenger service, (much to Atlantic Coast Line's chagrin) until the state of Florida forced the railroad to provide some sort of service for a few more years. FEC was also the first Class One railroad to go cabooseless. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:07 PM No have to disagree as the FEC runs right along Dixie Highway at least in PB & Broward counties & you can just stay on city property & NOBODY will ever bother you taking pix after pix. While I have not seen the FEC in Dade county I will presume it crosses also EVERY east/west cross street just like it does in PB/Broward/St. Lucie/Indian River/Martin + whatever counties are further northward from the ones I mentioned. Actually the FEC is by far with CSX/Tri-rail & A/trak some of the most accessable RRs that I have come across as they run right thru about every major city in at least PB,Broward & Dade counties. Every east/west cross street is a place to view them & there are lots of cross east./west streets. [:p][:I] Originally posted by AntonioFP45 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply oskar Member sinceAugust 2003 1,092 posts Posted by oskar on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 6:06 PM FEC is railfan freindly in FEC's Bowden yard they say you can take as many pictures as you want AS LONG AS YOU STAY OFF THE TRACKS works good for me.FEC is basicly CSX and NS some of their trains mostly piggy and double stack get droped off in Bowden then FEC takes over the train and takes it south. kevin Reply BNSF4ever Member sinceDecember 2004 380 posts Posted by BNSF4ever on Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:37 AM So the regional FEC is the same as the old FEC? I thought the "old" FEC was merged into the Seaboard System? Did CSX spin-off FEC? Reply nanaimo73 Member sinceApril 2005 From: Nanaimo BC Canada 4,117 posts Posted by nanaimo73 on Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:43 AM FEC has always been independant. It was a class 1 until 1992 when the threshold was raised to $250 million. It did come very close to being part of the Atlantic Coast Line in 1954. Dale Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,641 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Thursday, August 25, 2005 6:31 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF4ever So the regional FEC is the same as the old FEC? I thought the "old" FEC was merged into the Seaboard System? Did CSX spin-off FEC? Nope! FEC has been around since the early 1900s. Profitable railroad. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, August 25, 2005 6:36 AM Right it was never merged & is the same FEC that once went all the way down to Key West Fl. [:o)][8D] Originally posted by BNSF4ever [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,059 posts Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:01 AM Some confusion may exist because up to the time of a strike in the 1960's, the FEC as an independent operated itself as the Jacksonville - Miami extension of the double track Atlantic Coast Line main line from Richmmond, VA. All the ACL's Miami streamliners ran over the FEC except the West Coast Campion which didn't serve Miami. FEC passenger rolling stock was identacle to and painted in the same colors as the ACL. When the FEC was struck, the ACL quickly negotiated a deal with its arch rival Seabord, and ran the Miami service on its own line through Orlando to a connection with the Seabord at Auburndale, and this is the main passenger Amtrak route to Miami today. When the FEX resumed operations as a non-union company, it was ordered to operate a daily passenger train of its own, and this was a classy little pocket streamliner complete with round-end observation-lounge-diner and two or three coaches, all stainless, with one E-7 A unit. It did not last until Amtrak, and I am unsure when it quit. Restoration of passenger service on the FEC would mean return of pasenger service to St. Augustine, an imortant vacation spot. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:54 AM Thanks but I think the starter of the thread was talking about freight not passenger. You are aware that the FEC was started by Flager & has from the best of my knowledge ALWAYs been a seperate RR & operated there own trains between Jax & Miami & then on to Key West when that extension was finished. If you are saying that ACL used to turn there trains over to the FEC @ Jax that maybe correct. From time to time History channel runs a program on how the highway was built between Miami & Key West & discusses how the FEC built the route from key to key from Miami to Key West. [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by daveklepper [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply CSSHEGEWISCH Member sinceMarch 2016 From: Burbank IL (near Clearing) 13,509 posts Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:56 AM The court-ordered Jacksonville-Miami passenger train ran until 1968 or 1969 when it died for lack of customers. FEC, until about the 1960's, could hardly be considered a profitable operation. It went into receivership shortly after the collapse of the Florida Boom of the 1920's and was one of the few railroads to have motive power repossessed by its creditors. The daily commute is part of everyday life but I get two rides a day out of it. Paul Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:04 AM Actually I think it went bankrupt several times. [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by CSSHEGEWISCH Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply BNSF4ever Member sinceDecember 2004 380 posts Posted by BNSF4ever on Thursday, August 25, 2005 10:23 AM Thanks everyone--you learn something new everyday! I will give FEC this--their well cars were the cleanest I saw! Reply oskar Member sinceAugust 2003 1,092 posts Posted by oskar on Thursday, August 25, 2005 2:28 PM and most of the engines I see they are all clean maybe some little dirt on the EX UP's kevin Reply 12 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. 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Originally posted by AntonioFP45 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply oskar Member sinceAugust 2003 1,092 posts Posted by oskar on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 6:06 PM FEC is railfan freindly in FEC's Bowden yard they say you can take as many pictures as you want AS LONG AS YOU STAY OFF THE TRACKS works good for me.FEC is basicly CSX and NS some of their trains mostly piggy and double stack get droped off in Bowden then FEC takes over the train and takes it south. kevin Reply BNSF4ever Member sinceDecember 2004 380 posts Posted by BNSF4ever on Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:37 AM So the regional FEC is the same as the old FEC? I thought the "old" FEC was merged into the Seaboard System? Did CSX spin-off FEC? Reply nanaimo73 Member sinceApril 2005 From: Nanaimo BC Canada 4,117 posts Posted by nanaimo73 on Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:43 AM FEC has always been independant. It was a class 1 until 1992 when the threshold was raised to $250 million. It did come very close to being part of the Atlantic Coast Line in 1954. Dale Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,641 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Thursday, August 25, 2005 6:31 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF4ever So the regional FEC is the same as the old FEC? I thought the "old" FEC was merged into the Seaboard System? Did CSX spin-off FEC? Nope! FEC has been around since the early 1900s. Profitable railroad. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, August 25, 2005 6:36 AM Right it was never merged & is the same FEC that once went all the way down to Key West Fl. [:o)][8D] Originally posted by BNSF4ever [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,059 posts Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:01 AM Some confusion may exist because up to the time of a strike in the 1960's, the FEC as an independent operated itself as the Jacksonville - Miami extension of the double track Atlantic Coast Line main line from Richmmond, VA. All the ACL's Miami streamliners ran over the FEC except the West Coast Campion which didn't serve Miami. FEC passenger rolling stock was identacle to and painted in the same colors as the ACL. When the FEC was struck, the ACL quickly negotiated a deal with its arch rival Seabord, and ran the Miami service on its own line through Orlando to a connection with the Seabord at Auburndale, and this is the main passenger Amtrak route to Miami today. When the FEX resumed operations as a non-union company, it was ordered to operate a daily passenger train of its own, and this was a classy little pocket streamliner complete with round-end observation-lounge-diner and two or three coaches, all stainless, with one E-7 A unit. It did not last until Amtrak, and I am unsure when it quit. Restoration of passenger service on the FEC would mean return of pasenger service to St. Augustine, an imortant vacation spot. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:54 AM Thanks but I think the starter of the thread was talking about freight not passenger. You are aware that the FEC was started by Flager & has from the best of my knowledge ALWAYs been a seperate RR & operated there own trains between Jax & Miami & then on to Key West when that extension was finished. If you are saying that ACL used to turn there trains over to the FEC @ Jax that maybe correct. From time to time History channel runs a program on how the highway was built between Miami & Key West & discusses how the FEC built the route from key to key from Miami to Key West. [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by daveklepper [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply CSSHEGEWISCH Member sinceMarch 2016 From: Burbank IL (near Clearing) 13,509 posts Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:56 AM The court-ordered Jacksonville-Miami passenger train ran until 1968 or 1969 when it died for lack of customers. FEC, until about the 1960's, could hardly be considered a profitable operation. It went into receivership shortly after the collapse of the Florida Boom of the 1920's and was one of the few railroads to have motive power repossessed by its creditors. The daily commute is part of everyday life but I get two rides a day out of it. Paul Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:04 AM Actually I think it went bankrupt several times. [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by CSSHEGEWISCH Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply BNSF4ever Member sinceDecember 2004 380 posts Posted by BNSF4ever on Thursday, August 25, 2005 10:23 AM Thanks everyone--you learn something new everyday! I will give FEC this--their well cars were the cleanest I saw! Reply oskar Member sinceAugust 2003 1,092 posts Posted by oskar on Thursday, August 25, 2005 2:28 PM and most of the engines I see they are all clean maybe some little dirt on the EX UP's kevin Reply 12 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF4ever So the regional FEC is the same as the old FEC? I thought the "old" FEC was merged into the Seaboard System? Did CSX spin-off FEC?
Originally posted by BNSF4ever [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,059 posts Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:01 AM Some confusion may exist because up to the time of a strike in the 1960's, the FEC as an independent operated itself as the Jacksonville - Miami extension of the double track Atlantic Coast Line main line from Richmmond, VA. All the ACL's Miami streamliners ran over the FEC except the West Coast Campion which didn't serve Miami. FEC passenger rolling stock was identacle to and painted in the same colors as the ACL. When the FEC was struck, the ACL quickly negotiated a deal with its arch rival Seabord, and ran the Miami service on its own line through Orlando to a connection with the Seabord at Auburndale, and this is the main passenger Amtrak route to Miami today. When the FEX resumed operations as a non-union company, it was ordered to operate a daily passenger train of its own, and this was a classy little pocket streamliner complete with round-end observation-lounge-diner and two or three coaches, all stainless, with one E-7 A unit. It did not last until Amtrak, and I am unsure when it quit. Restoration of passenger service on the FEC would mean return of pasenger service to St. Augustine, an imortant vacation spot. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:54 AM Thanks but I think the starter of the thread was talking about freight not passenger. You are aware that the FEC was started by Flager & has from the best of my knowledge ALWAYs been a seperate RR & operated there own trains between Jax & Miami & then on to Key West when that extension was finished. If you are saying that ACL used to turn there trains over to the FEC @ Jax that maybe correct. From time to time History channel runs a program on how the highway was built between Miami & Key West & discusses how the FEC built the route from key to key from Miami to Key West. [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by daveklepper [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply CSSHEGEWISCH Member sinceMarch 2016 From: Burbank IL (near Clearing) 13,509 posts Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:56 AM The court-ordered Jacksonville-Miami passenger train ran until 1968 or 1969 when it died for lack of customers. FEC, until about the 1960's, could hardly be considered a profitable operation. It went into receivership shortly after the collapse of the Florida Boom of the 1920's and was one of the few railroads to have motive power repossessed by its creditors. The daily commute is part of everyday life but I get two rides a day out of it. Paul Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:04 AM Actually I think it went bankrupt several times. [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by CSSHEGEWISCH Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply BNSF4ever Member sinceDecember 2004 380 posts Posted by BNSF4ever on Thursday, August 25, 2005 10:23 AM Thanks everyone--you learn something new everyday! I will give FEC this--their well cars were the cleanest I saw! Reply oskar Member sinceAugust 2003 1,092 posts Posted by oskar on Thursday, August 25, 2005 2:28 PM and most of the engines I see they are all clean maybe some little dirt on the EX UP's kevin Reply 12 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by daveklepper [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply CSSHEGEWISCH Member sinceMarch 2016 From: Burbank IL (near Clearing) 13,509 posts Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:56 AM The court-ordered Jacksonville-Miami passenger train ran until 1968 or 1969 when it died for lack of customers. FEC, until about the 1960's, could hardly be considered a profitable operation. It went into receivership shortly after the collapse of the Florida Boom of the 1920's and was one of the few railroads to have motive power repossessed by its creditors. The daily commute is part of everyday life but I get two rides a day out of it. Paul Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:04 AM Actually I think it went bankrupt several times. [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by CSSHEGEWISCH Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply BNSF4ever Member sinceDecember 2004 380 posts Posted by BNSF4ever on Thursday, August 25, 2005 10:23 AM Thanks everyone--you learn something new everyday! I will give FEC this--their well cars were the cleanest I saw! Reply oskar Member sinceAugust 2003 1,092 posts Posted by oskar on Thursday, August 25, 2005 2:28 PM and most of the engines I see they are all clean maybe some little dirt on the EX UP's kevin Reply 12 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by CSSHEGEWISCH Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply BNSF4ever Member sinceDecember 2004 380 posts Posted by BNSF4ever on Thursday, August 25, 2005 10:23 AM Thanks everyone--you learn something new everyday! I will give FEC this--their well cars were the cleanest I saw! Reply oskar Member sinceAugust 2003 1,092 posts Posted by oskar on Thursday, August 25, 2005 2:28 PM and most of the engines I see they are all clean maybe some little dirt on the EX UP's kevin Reply 12 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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