QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding QUOTE: Originally posted by Simon Reed It seems to have been a worldwide thing during steam days that many drivers (engineers) considered themselves to be an elite who would have as little as possible to do with firemen (stokers) both on and off the job. I have a book by a Southern (UK) driver who rose through the ranks and recalls instances where the only conversation he had during out-and-back turns as a fireman took the form of grunts! Didn't most engineers during steam days work their way up.....from being firemen? You would think that a fireman who wasn't being treated well could make an engineer look bad?
QUOTE: Originally posted by Simon Reed It seems to have been a worldwide thing during steam days that many drivers (engineers) considered themselves to be an elite who would have as little as possible to do with firemen (stokers) both on and off the job. I have a book by a Southern (UK) driver who rose through the ranks and recalls instances where the only conversation he had during out-and-back turns as a fireman took the form of grunts!
QUOTE: Originally posted by Tulyar15 John B - you are quite correct about "Tulyar" - it was (is!) the name of my favourite "Deltic" diesel loco.
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QUOTE: Originally posted by Tulyar15 QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding QUOTE: Originally posted by Tulyar15 Meanwhile Futuremodal will no doubt be delighted to hear that yet another OA operator has now got the go-ahead to haul coal down from Scotland. The infrastructure co Jarvis have now got an operating licence to run trains and will be running coal trains as well as maintenance trains. Does this mean Jarvis is both an infrastructure co, and a train operating co, on the same line? I thought they were supposed to be seperated? That was how it was supposed to be , although EWS and the other OA companies make a lot of money from infrastructure contracts. I suppose we're progressing back towards a vertically integrated set up. Stagecoach the bus company owns Porterbrook, the Rolling Stock co. To be fair Porterbrook is the only ROSCO that has taken speculative risks by order trains before it has found a user for them. The other two ROSCO's are owned by the banks and just act like profit maximizing monopolists (but in the longer term they will face competition from manufacturers leasing stock to train operators). I agree with John B's comments about the foreign coal. On the Avon Valley Railway (which I am a volunteer worker on) we had a duff batch a couple of weeks ago. Ironically it blocked the tubes of our Polish "Ferrum" 0-6-0T. John B - you are quite correct about "Tulyar" - it was (is!) the name of my favourite "Deltic" diesel loco.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding QUOTE: Originally posted by Tulyar15 Meanwhile Futuremodal will no doubt be delighted to hear that yet another OA operator has now got the go-ahead to haul coal down from Scotland. The infrastructure co Jarvis have now got an operating licence to run trains and will be running coal trains as well as maintenance trains. Does this mean Jarvis is both an infrastructure co, and a train operating co, on the same line? I thought they were supposed to be seperated?
QUOTE: Originally posted by Tulyar15 Meanwhile Futuremodal will no doubt be delighted to hear that yet another OA operator has now got the go-ahead to haul coal down from Scotland. The infrastructure co Jarvis have now got an operating licence to run trains and will be running coal trains as well as maintenance trains.
John Baker
QUOTE: Originally posted by John Bakeer Hi Murphy, There were only twenty-odd Deltics Built and as far as I can work out they were named and re-named on a whim from above (Marilibone) as were some of the A4's. John B.
QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal QUOTE: Originally posted by Tulyar15 QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding QUOTE: Originally posted by Tulyar15 Meanwhile Futuremodal will no doubt be delighted to hear that yet another OA operator has now got the go-ahead to haul coal down from Scotland. The infrastructure co Jarvis have now got an operating licence to run trains and will be running coal trains as well as maintenance trains. Does this mean Jarvis is both an infrastructure co, and a train operating co, on the same line? I thought they were supposed to be seperated? That was how it was supposed to be , although EWS and the other OA companies make a lot of money from infrastructure contracts. I suppose we're progressing back towards a vertically integrated set up. Stagecoach the bus company owns Porterbrook, the Rolling Stock co. To be fair Porterbrook is the only ROSCO that has taken speculative risks by order trains before it has found a user for them. The other two ROSCO's are owned by the banks and just act like profit maximizing monopolists (but in the longer term they will face competition from manufacturers leasing stock to train operators). I agree with John B's comments about the foreign coal. On the Avon Valley Railway (which I am a volunteer worker on) we had a duff batch a couple of weeks ago. Ironically it blocked the tubes of our Polish "Ferrum" 0-6-0T. John B - you are quite correct about "Tulyar" - it was (is!) the name of my favourite "Deltic" diesel loco. I have no problem with a certain amount of vertical operations within the open access structure. The whole point of open access is to make sure willing transporters are not barred from using the ROW. If the infrastructure owner also wants to run trains to take advantage of a transporting opportunity, so be it. Could result in a conflict though if another transporter wants a piece of that action.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Hugh Jampton QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding QUOTE: Originally posted by Simon Reed It seems to have been a worldwide thing during steam days that many drivers (engineers) considered themselves to be an elite who would have as little as possible to do with firemen (stokers) both on and off the job. I have a book by a Southern (UK) driver who rose through the ranks and recalls instances where the only conversation he had during out-and-back turns as a fireman took the form of grunts! Didn't most engineers during steam days work their way up.....from being firemen? You would think that a fireman who wasn't being treated well could make an engineer look bad? Yes they did work their way up. It's also possible for a driver to make the fireman look bad, but in the event of a problem both were hauled up on the rug.
QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz This may be the dumb question of the week: What is the purpose of the "steering wheel" I see in the cab shots of European railroads?
QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz This may be the dumb question of the week: What is the purpose of the "steering wheel" I see in the cab shots of European railroads? Maybe they haven't invented the flange yet![:D]
QUOTE: Originally posted by Simon Reed If it's on the control desk it's the thrash handle - or to put it more prosaically the power controller. If it's elsewhere it's the handbrake although our ALCo S1 has a handbrake control that would'nt be out of place as the ship's wheel on a Mississippee tug. During the '80's in Britain there was a TV gameshow with the catchphrase "Spin that wheel" which was misappropriated en masse by British lovers of Iri***raction at the time and regularly shouted at the engineers on "A" class loco's...we've already discussed the British phenomenon of "Bashing" on these pages which may explain this peculiar behaviour....
QUOTE: Originally posted by Simon Reed Going back to the entry of Jarvis into the open access market.... Has anyone - maybe specifically Townsend or Cogload - heard anything "sinister" about this move, because I just have! The primary idea behind it, so I'm told by a good source, is to establish a market for "bidding" for paths on the S&C and WCML, thereby taking open access to a very different level.
--David
QUOTE: Originally posted by BR60103 [Not sure about the B2 and B17 - lot of football teams and?? Great Western built one Pacific, which they later turned into a 4-6-0, called The Great Bear. You can have a lot of fun by running themes from that name. [8D]
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