QUOTE: Originally posted by jeaton If I am not mistaken, quite a few hump operations have been closed over the past couple of decades. I am not sure just how the economics work out, but at some point, a drop in total volume of loose car business or the number of separate blocks (a block being a group of cars for the same destination) makes flat yards more economical. I have heard that flat switching can be as efficient as a hump yard operation. If edblysard come on here, he may have more insight. Jay
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Originally posted by railfan619 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply TH&B Member sinceJuly 2003 964 posts Posted by TH&B on Thursday, June 30, 2005 9:34 AM They have a special tool for this, on a long arm to reach in and pull the chain off while the slack is in shoving up the hump ramp. A yardman also has to loosen all the couplers by unscrewing the chain while the train is at a stand still before going over the hump. But it's the recoupling that is the real trick, the cars don't couple automaticaly. Some unit freight trains use different coupler types like the US style knuckle coupler or even the Russian style semi automatic coupler. So not all cars can even be humped, their equipement isn't as standard as North America. As far as I know there are no more hump yards in England and in some of the smaller European countries like Denmark. Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, June 30, 2005 10:09 AM Gotcha loud and clear now, Ed--you're absolutely right. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, June 30, 2005 10:30 AM Go to North Platte NE on your trip! [:p][:)] Originally posted by Green Bay Paddlers [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, June 30, 2005 10:33 AM You can also try the NSRR in Bellevue OH. There are also hump yards in & near Chicago. [:o)][:p] Originally posted by Green Bay Paddlers [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Gunns Member sinceJanuary 2004 From: New Mexico <Red Chilli> 259 posts Posted by Gunns on Friday, July 1, 2005 2:05 AM I grew up in Phoenix AZ, the yard there <SP> was flat but they did what the tower opperator <I used to sit through a whole shift with some of the guys I knew> call car kicking. That was where the cars would be started by the engine and turned lose to coast to the right spot/track. Some times the cars would be sorted to diffrent tracks on the fly, as the engineer could get them to release at diffrent speeds. It seemed allmost as efficent as a hump yard. Gunns http://www.nmslrhs.org/ Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Friday, July 1, 2005 5:36 AM Kevin, That’s what we mean when we refer to flat yard switching...we bleed the air out of the brakes, grab a cut of cars, and start kicking. For blocking, or classifying small trains, it’s the way to go. And, after 9 years of it, I still find it a lot of fun. With a crew that has worked together for a while, and knows each others moves, you can build several local trains at once. Pounding rocks and pulling pins is disappearing on the class 1s, though, as the need for the smaller, local trains is going away in favor of the unit/shuttle train, and the huge OTR trains. You will find flat switching being done more on the smaller, regional and local railroads, where a hump set up is too expensive. Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply jeaton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Rockton, IL 4,821 posts Posted by jeaton on Friday, July 1, 2005 9:33 AM Thanks to Carl and Ed for the real world view on how this works. Not to say it is easy, but classification of loose cars over a hump is pretty straight forward. If there are, for example, 25 tracks in the bowl below the hump, cars can be sorted for 24 separate destinations, with one track left for the resorts maybe going on the locals out of the yard or over to the RIP track or other odd spots. It seems to me that efficient flat switching probably requires more thinking on the go to work out the logical steps to make the least moves to get from the starting string of cars to the line up of cars at the end of the job. A hump yard can be very efficient for sorting a long train of cars to many different destinations, but it won't work well for building up a block of cars in a specific sequence. That is where flat switching can be much more efficient. Jay "We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo Possum "We have met the anemone... and he is Russ." Bucky Katt "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr, Nobel laureate in physics Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Friday, July 1, 2005 10:19 AM Actually, there are ways to sort things using a humpm too--I'm sure Ed could explain how you'd do it in flat switching, but you can use a given number of tracks in the yard (say, four), and switch the cars once, pull them out from all of the tracks in order, switch them again, and voila! 16 classifications, all in order! Takes a little planning, but it can be done. Needless to say, that isn't done here! Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply jeaton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Rockton, IL 4,821 posts Posted by jeaton on Friday, July 1, 2005 10:28 AM Carl I should have said "it MIGHT not work as well...". By the way, how many tracks does proviso have in the bowl? It has been about half a lifetime since I have had a look, going back to the days when there were many more tracks than I think you have now. By the way, one day I will take your invitation to drop by, assuming a visit by outsiders is still possible. Jay "We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo Possum "We have met the anemone... and he is Russ." Bucky Katt "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr, Nobel laureate in physics Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Friday, July 1, 2005 11:31 AM Can’t answer for Carl, but I have 16 tracks to switch into, and 14 to swing over to and spot for ground air. I build different trains than Carl does; it’s rare anyone outside of the Houston Ship Channel area ever sees what I do. In essence, I take inbound trains from the Class 1 members (Carl) of our association, and break them into smaller, local trains for our crews to take out and spot in industries. Because I have so much flexibility, I can line up spot cars in order without too much trouble. Most industries require certain cars to be placed, or spotted, in a certain order, or a specific location in the plant.. How you place them in the train can make the difference between the local getting a good quit, or hogging out. When I get it all switched out, I double them up, swing them over to the outbound industry tracks, and spot them for ground air. This way, all the local crew has to do is come against the train, cut in the air, get a air test and go to work. Because they have a train sheet that shows how their train is put together, they can make a plan on how to work their particular industries, in what order and what time. What helps a lot is most of the lead jobs are made up of crews who worked those same jobs, so we know how the plants and industries need their cars, and how the local crew will have to work them. I am sure Carl can tell you how POed a crew can get if you line it up wrong! My counterpart on the other side of the yard takes the inbounds from those same industries apart, and builds trains that end up going to...Carl, for one! Because he doesn’t have to worry about anything other than what yard they will be left at, all he has to do is block them out to which Class 1 gets them, and what order the train will pass through those yards. He throws all the UP in one, BNSF in another, TexMex and KCS in a third. If he is on the ball, he holds out the cars, say for a local UP, and sets it up so if the first stop is Englewood here in Houston, all the cars for that yard end up on the head end, so all they have to do is pull in, cut the Englewood transfer off, and shove into the yard, cut away and get back against his train, and go. Some yards they just drag into, and cut off the rear set out, and keep on going, so he has to know how each of those yards are set up, and how they are worked, so he can set up the outbound to be worked in that exact order, saves time and effort for the Class1 road crews. While I switch by the seat of my pants, and can tell the engineer to kick hard or soft, float one down there, or hammer one to close up any gaps, Carl has a lot more information to deal with. He has to know if its a load or empty, how full the track it is going to is, how fast is it coming over the hump, how hard or soft to set the retarders, is a track almost full, so does he hold up the pu***ill the trim job can clear that full track out, or can he squeak one more in there. Different approaches to the same basic job. We take trains apart, and put them back together in a different order. It aint rocket science, but it isn’t just mindless rote work either. Not the glamorous road trains fans watch, but if you think about it, those trains you chase and photograph start with guys like me and Carl. We build it, they drag it.... Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply CSSHEGEWISCH Member sinceMarch 2016 From: Burbank IL (near Clearing) 13,515 posts Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Friday, July 1, 2005 2:13 PM To all the yard crews everywhere: I've always been fascinated by watching you at work, whether it's a hump crew pushing over the hump, the pulldown job which empties the bowl and arranges everything for the road crew or a flat switch crew getting the industrial job in the right order. It's a shame that it doesn't translate well in still photography, especially when kicking cars or executing a drop without putting anything on the ground[tup] Paul The daily commute is part of everyday life but I get two rides a day out of it. Paul Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Friday, July 1, 2005 7:11 PM Executing a drop? No no no nooooo...we don’t drop cars anymore....[;)] It says so right in the GCOR.... Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply jeaton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Rockton, IL 4,821 posts Posted by jeaton on Friday, July 1, 2005 8:27 PM Rrriiiight! "We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo Possum "We have met the anemone... and he is Russ." Bucky Katt "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr, Nobel laureate in physics Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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Originally posted by Green Bay Paddlers [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, June 30, 2005 10:33 AM You can also try the NSRR in Bellevue OH. There are also hump yards in & near Chicago. [:o)][:p] Originally posted by Green Bay Paddlers [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Gunns Member sinceJanuary 2004 From: New Mexico <Red Chilli> 259 posts Posted by Gunns on Friday, July 1, 2005 2:05 AM I grew up in Phoenix AZ, the yard there <SP> was flat but they did what the tower opperator <I used to sit through a whole shift with some of the guys I knew> call car kicking. That was where the cars would be started by the engine and turned lose to coast to the right spot/track. Some times the cars would be sorted to diffrent tracks on the fly, as the engineer could get them to release at diffrent speeds. It seemed allmost as efficent as a hump yard. Gunns http://www.nmslrhs.org/ Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Friday, July 1, 2005 5:36 AM Kevin, That’s what we mean when we refer to flat yard switching...we bleed the air out of the brakes, grab a cut of cars, and start kicking. For blocking, or classifying small trains, it’s the way to go. And, after 9 years of it, I still find it a lot of fun. With a crew that has worked together for a while, and knows each others moves, you can build several local trains at once. Pounding rocks and pulling pins is disappearing on the class 1s, though, as the need for the smaller, local trains is going away in favor of the unit/shuttle train, and the huge OTR trains. You will find flat switching being done more on the smaller, regional and local railroads, where a hump set up is too expensive. Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply jeaton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Rockton, IL 4,821 posts Posted by jeaton on Friday, July 1, 2005 9:33 AM Thanks to Carl and Ed for the real world view on how this works. Not to say it is easy, but classification of loose cars over a hump is pretty straight forward. If there are, for example, 25 tracks in the bowl below the hump, cars can be sorted for 24 separate destinations, with one track left for the resorts maybe going on the locals out of the yard or over to the RIP track or other odd spots. It seems to me that efficient flat switching probably requires more thinking on the go to work out the logical steps to make the least moves to get from the starting string of cars to the line up of cars at the end of the job. A hump yard can be very efficient for sorting a long train of cars to many different destinations, but it won't work well for building up a block of cars in a specific sequence. That is where flat switching can be much more efficient. Jay "We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo Possum "We have met the anemone... and he is Russ." Bucky Katt "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr, Nobel laureate in physics Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Friday, July 1, 2005 10:19 AM Actually, there are ways to sort things using a humpm too--I'm sure Ed could explain how you'd do it in flat switching, but you can use a given number of tracks in the yard (say, four), and switch the cars once, pull them out from all of the tracks in order, switch them again, and voila! 16 classifications, all in order! Takes a little planning, but it can be done. Needless to say, that isn't done here! Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply jeaton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Rockton, IL 4,821 posts Posted by jeaton on Friday, July 1, 2005 10:28 AM Carl I should have said "it MIGHT not work as well...". By the way, how many tracks does proviso have in the bowl? It has been about half a lifetime since I have had a look, going back to the days when there were many more tracks than I think you have now. By the way, one day I will take your invitation to drop by, assuming a visit by outsiders is still possible. Jay "We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo Possum "We have met the anemone... and he is Russ." Bucky Katt "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr, Nobel laureate in physics Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Friday, July 1, 2005 11:31 AM Can’t answer for Carl, but I have 16 tracks to switch into, and 14 to swing over to and spot for ground air. I build different trains than Carl does; it’s rare anyone outside of the Houston Ship Channel area ever sees what I do. In essence, I take inbound trains from the Class 1 members (Carl) of our association, and break them into smaller, local trains for our crews to take out and spot in industries. Because I have so much flexibility, I can line up spot cars in order without too much trouble. Most industries require certain cars to be placed, or spotted, in a certain order, or a specific location in the plant.. How you place them in the train can make the difference between the local getting a good quit, or hogging out. When I get it all switched out, I double them up, swing them over to the outbound industry tracks, and spot them for ground air. This way, all the local crew has to do is come against the train, cut in the air, get a air test and go to work. Because they have a train sheet that shows how their train is put together, they can make a plan on how to work their particular industries, in what order and what time. What helps a lot is most of the lead jobs are made up of crews who worked those same jobs, so we know how the plants and industries need their cars, and how the local crew will have to work them. I am sure Carl can tell you how POed a crew can get if you line it up wrong! My counterpart on the other side of the yard takes the inbounds from those same industries apart, and builds trains that end up going to...Carl, for one! Because he doesn’t have to worry about anything other than what yard they will be left at, all he has to do is block them out to which Class 1 gets them, and what order the train will pass through those yards. He throws all the UP in one, BNSF in another, TexMex and KCS in a third. If he is on the ball, he holds out the cars, say for a local UP, and sets it up so if the first stop is Englewood here in Houston, all the cars for that yard end up on the head end, so all they have to do is pull in, cut the Englewood transfer off, and shove into the yard, cut away and get back against his train, and go. Some yards they just drag into, and cut off the rear set out, and keep on going, so he has to know how each of those yards are set up, and how they are worked, so he can set up the outbound to be worked in that exact order, saves time and effort for the Class1 road crews. While I switch by the seat of my pants, and can tell the engineer to kick hard or soft, float one down there, or hammer one to close up any gaps, Carl has a lot more information to deal with. He has to know if its a load or empty, how full the track it is going to is, how fast is it coming over the hump, how hard or soft to set the retarders, is a track almost full, so does he hold up the pu***ill the trim job can clear that full track out, or can he squeak one more in there. Different approaches to the same basic job. We take trains apart, and put them back together in a different order. It aint rocket science, but it isn’t just mindless rote work either. Not the glamorous road trains fans watch, but if you think about it, those trains you chase and photograph start with guys like me and Carl. We build it, they drag it.... Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply CSSHEGEWISCH Member sinceMarch 2016 From: Burbank IL (near Clearing) 13,515 posts Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Friday, July 1, 2005 2:13 PM To all the yard crews everywhere: I've always been fascinated by watching you at work, whether it's a hump crew pushing over the hump, the pulldown job which empties the bowl and arranges everything for the road crew or a flat switch crew getting the industrial job in the right order. It's a shame that it doesn't translate well in still photography, especially when kicking cars or executing a drop without putting anything on the ground[tup] Paul The daily commute is part of everyday life but I get two rides a day out of it. Paul Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Friday, July 1, 2005 7:11 PM Executing a drop? No no no nooooo...we don’t drop cars anymore....[;)] It says so right in the GCOR.... Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply jeaton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Rockton, IL 4,821 posts Posted by jeaton on Friday, July 1, 2005 8:27 PM Rrriiiight! "We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo Possum "We have met the anemone... and he is Russ." Bucky Katt "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr, Nobel laureate in physics Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by Green Bay Paddlers [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Gunns Member sinceJanuary 2004 From: New Mexico <Red Chilli> 259 posts Posted by Gunns on Friday, July 1, 2005 2:05 AM I grew up in Phoenix AZ, the yard there <SP> was flat but they did what the tower opperator <I used to sit through a whole shift with some of the guys I knew> call car kicking. That was where the cars would be started by the engine and turned lose to coast to the right spot/track. Some times the cars would be sorted to diffrent tracks on the fly, as the engineer could get them to release at diffrent speeds. It seemed allmost as efficent as a hump yard. Gunns http://www.nmslrhs.org/ Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Friday, July 1, 2005 5:36 AM Kevin, That’s what we mean when we refer to flat yard switching...we bleed the air out of the brakes, grab a cut of cars, and start kicking. For blocking, or classifying small trains, it’s the way to go. And, after 9 years of it, I still find it a lot of fun. With a crew that has worked together for a while, and knows each others moves, you can build several local trains at once. Pounding rocks and pulling pins is disappearing on the class 1s, though, as the need for the smaller, local trains is going away in favor of the unit/shuttle train, and the huge OTR trains. You will find flat switching being done more on the smaller, regional and local railroads, where a hump set up is too expensive. Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply jeaton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Rockton, IL 4,821 posts Posted by jeaton on Friday, July 1, 2005 9:33 AM Thanks to Carl and Ed for the real world view on how this works. Not to say it is easy, but classification of loose cars over a hump is pretty straight forward. If there are, for example, 25 tracks in the bowl below the hump, cars can be sorted for 24 separate destinations, with one track left for the resorts maybe going on the locals out of the yard or over to the RIP track or other odd spots. It seems to me that efficient flat switching probably requires more thinking on the go to work out the logical steps to make the least moves to get from the starting string of cars to the line up of cars at the end of the job. A hump yard can be very efficient for sorting a long train of cars to many different destinations, but it won't work well for building up a block of cars in a specific sequence. That is where flat switching can be much more efficient. Jay "We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo Possum "We have met the anemone... and he is Russ." Bucky Katt "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr, Nobel laureate in physics Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Friday, July 1, 2005 10:19 AM Actually, there are ways to sort things using a humpm too--I'm sure Ed could explain how you'd do it in flat switching, but you can use a given number of tracks in the yard (say, four), and switch the cars once, pull them out from all of the tracks in order, switch them again, and voila! 16 classifications, all in order! Takes a little planning, but it can be done. Needless to say, that isn't done here! Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply jeaton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Rockton, IL 4,821 posts Posted by jeaton on Friday, July 1, 2005 10:28 AM Carl I should have said "it MIGHT not work as well...". By the way, how many tracks does proviso have in the bowl? It has been about half a lifetime since I have had a look, going back to the days when there were many more tracks than I think you have now. By the way, one day I will take your invitation to drop by, assuming a visit by outsiders is still possible. Jay "We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo Possum "We have met the anemone... and he is Russ." Bucky Katt "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr, Nobel laureate in physics Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Friday, July 1, 2005 11:31 AM Can’t answer for Carl, but I have 16 tracks to switch into, and 14 to swing over to and spot for ground air. I build different trains than Carl does; it’s rare anyone outside of the Houston Ship Channel area ever sees what I do. In essence, I take inbound trains from the Class 1 members (Carl) of our association, and break them into smaller, local trains for our crews to take out and spot in industries. Because I have so much flexibility, I can line up spot cars in order without too much trouble. Most industries require certain cars to be placed, or spotted, in a certain order, or a specific location in the plant.. How you place them in the train can make the difference between the local getting a good quit, or hogging out. When I get it all switched out, I double them up, swing them over to the outbound industry tracks, and spot them for ground air. This way, all the local crew has to do is come against the train, cut in the air, get a air test and go to work. Because they have a train sheet that shows how their train is put together, they can make a plan on how to work their particular industries, in what order and what time. What helps a lot is most of the lead jobs are made up of crews who worked those same jobs, so we know how the plants and industries need their cars, and how the local crew will have to work them. I am sure Carl can tell you how POed a crew can get if you line it up wrong! My counterpart on the other side of the yard takes the inbounds from those same industries apart, and builds trains that end up going to...Carl, for one! Because he doesn’t have to worry about anything other than what yard they will be left at, all he has to do is block them out to which Class 1 gets them, and what order the train will pass through those yards. He throws all the UP in one, BNSF in another, TexMex and KCS in a third. If he is on the ball, he holds out the cars, say for a local UP, and sets it up so if the first stop is Englewood here in Houston, all the cars for that yard end up on the head end, so all they have to do is pull in, cut the Englewood transfer off, and shove into the yard, cut away and get back against his train, and go. Some yards they just drag into, and cut off the rear set out, and keep on going, so he has to know how each of those yards are set up, and how they are worked, so he can set up the outbound to be worked in that exact order, saves time and effort for the Class1 road crews. While I switch by the seat of my pants, and can tell the engineer to kick hard or soft, float one down there, or hammer one to close up any gaps, Carl has a lot more information to deal with. He has to know if its a load or empty, how full the track it is going to is, how fast is it coming over the hump, how hard or soft to set the retarders, is a track almost full, so does he hold up the pu***ill the trim job can clear that full track out, or can he squeak one more in there. Different approaches to the same basic job. We take trains apart, and put them back together in a different order. It aint rocket science, but it isn’t just mindless rote work either. Not the glamorous road trains fans watch, but if you think about it, those trains you chase and photograph start with guys like me and Carl. We build it, they drag it.... Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply CSSHEGEWISCH Member sinceMarch 2016 From: Burbank IL (near Clearing) 13,515 posts Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Friday, July 1, 2005 2:13 PM To all the yard crews everywhere: I've always been fascinated by watching you at work, whether it's a hump crew pushing over the hump, the pulldown job which empties the bowl and arranges everything for the road crew or a flat switch crew getting the industrial job in the right order. It's a shame that it doesn't translate well in still photography, especially when kicking cars or executing a drop without putting anything on the ground[tup] Paul The daily commute is part of everyday life but I get two rides a day out of it. Paul Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Friday, July 1, 2005 7:11 PM Executing a drop? No no no nooooo...we don’t drop cars anymore....[;)] It says so right in the GCOR.... Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply jeaton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Rockton, IL 4,821 posts Posted by jeaton on Friday, July 1, 2005 8:27 PM Rrriiiight! "We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo Possum "We have met the anemone... and he is Russ." Bucky Katt "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr, Nobel laureate in physics Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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