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Originally posted by Green Bay Paddlers [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, June 30, 2005 10:30 AM Go to North Platte NE on your trip! [:p][:)] Originally posted by Green Bay Paddlers [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, June 30, 2005 10:09 AM Gotcha loud and clear now, Ed--you're absolutely right. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply TH&B Member sinceJuly 2003 964 posts Posted by TH&B on Thursday, June 30, 2005 9:34 AM They have a special tool for this, on a long arm to reach in and pull the chain off while the slack is in shoving up the hump ramp. A yardman also has to loosen all the couplers by unscrewing the chain while the train is at a stand still before going over the hump. But it's the recoupling that is the real trick, the cars don't couple automaticaly. Some unit freight trains use different coupler types like the US style knuckle coupler or even the Russian style semi automatic coupler. So not all cars can even be humped, their equipement isn't as standard as North America. As far as I know there are no more hump yards in England and in some of the smaller European countries like Denmark. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, June 30, 2005 9:25 AM Why ask such a silly question[?][?][?] Originally posted by railfan619 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply dehusman Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Omaha, NE 10,621 posts Posted by dehusman on Thursday, June 30, 2005 9:09 AM How do they uncouple cars on a European hump with those "chain" connections? Its really simple with the North American knuckle coupler, since it can be done with a lever without going between the cars. Dave H. Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 30, 2005 3:34 AM n stephenson hit the nail on the head. we flat switch with remotes, depending on the cuts it can be real slow. an engineer is much faster. we also pull and spot an adjacent refiery with remotes. spotting is a little harder with the remote, but worse is the lead comming out ofthe refinery to the yard has an uphill grade, and you don't get a steady surge of power, the computer rises and falls to keep the speed in a certain range. God help us if there is ice, snow or wet rail....stalling out isn't unheard of..those can be some long days.... Reply Edit Green Bay Paddlers Member sinceJuly 2002 From: Green Bay, WI 197 posts Posted by Green Bay Paddlers on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 10:13 PM I've lived in Green Bay for over 10 years - I have yet to see a hump yard...???!!!???? Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 9:27 PM Plug away! When the folks at Englewood Hump have their goove on, thay can clear East Holding Yard in a single shift! What I was trying to get across is each style of switching has it pros and cons, and each fills a paticular niche in how cars get to where they need to go. If you are building road trains that are going to be re-classified later, then hump them suckers! If, on the other hand, you are building several small trains, around 100 cars or less, for several industry jobs, then flat switching is the way to go... Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 9:17 PM Ed, without taking away from the great job that you and your crew can do, I have to put in a plug for our hump. We aren't automated at all, and a five-man operation (an RCO/pinpuller, hump conductor, and three car retarder operators) could switch out that 120-car train in an hour, no sweat. Yes, we can make spur-of-the-moment decisions on track changes--and often do. We lock out bowl tracks when the pulldown crews need to couple and pull them. We're not humping on top of them, but they do have to look out for movement on adjacent tracks (that's part of the "alert and attentive" rule that comes very early on in GCOR). And where's the hump yard in Green Bay? Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply trainster1073 Member sinceFebruary 2004 74 posts Posted by trainster1073 on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 7:53 PM I went to Green Bay and stoped to watch the local yard hump cars. It was a lot of fun to watch. If anyone is in Green Bay stop and watch! Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 7:31 PM Not inefficient at all... In my yard, the carmen line the switch for the lead, and lock the switch, so nothing came get in there with them. We work around this stuff all the time, so being near moving cars isn’t a big deal. In bowl and hump yards, the hump master locks out the switches for the same reason. One of the efficiencies of flat switching is that I can get the tracks together, and swing them over, or spot them in place, for ground air. I can flat switch a 120 car train in about 2 hours...with my regular crew. Another of the better parts of flat switching is I can pre-block or classify on the fly; I am not restricted to which track a car has to goes to. If I need to slough off a car for a while, I can stash it, and pick it up later...flat switching is a lot more flexible that hump yards... Hump yards require a little more switching after the cars go over the hump…cover cars have the be turned head outs, spot cars have to be lined up, sometimes the entire track has to be re-switched in order to line up the cars in the order the train will need to work on it’s way. But hump yards are huge, and can run steady, 24/7, which helps make up in volume what it lacks in finesse. It all depends on the type of business and the type of customer you serve. Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply Big_Boy_4005 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: St Paul, MN 6,218 posts Posted by Big_Boy_4005 on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 5:44 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by coborn35 Do they have a worker who stands near the cars and connects the hoses? I would think it would be too dangerous, not to mention inefficient, to have men down in the bowl tracks with cars flying around. I'm back! Follow the progress: http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/displayForumTopic/content/12129987972340381/page/1 Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 5:32 PM Once a track is finished being filled during the humping process, a puller crew will come and stretch the track out and make sure it's all together, and then after that they pull out cuts and bring them into the depature yard. In the departure yard, a carman hooks the hoses and inspects the cars. That's the way it goes where I work anyhow. Reply Edit coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 3:58 PM Do they have a worker who stands near the cars and connects the hoses? Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. 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Originally posted by Green Bay Paddlers [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, June 30, 2005 10:09 AM Gotcha loud and clear now, Ed--you're absolutely right. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply TH&B Member sinceJuly 2003 964 posts Posted by TH&B on Thursday, June 30, 2005 9:34 AM They have a special tool for this, on a long arm to reach in and pull the chain off while the slack is in shoving up the hump ramp. A yardman also has to loosen all the couplers by unscrewing the chain while the train is at a stand still before going over the hump. But it's the recoupling that is the real trick, the cars don't couple automaticaly. Some unit freight trains use different coupler types like the US style knuckle coupler or even the Russian style semi automatic coupler. So not all cars can even be humped, their equipement isn't as standard as North America. As far as I know there are no more hump yards in England and in some of the smaller European countries like Denmark. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, June 30, 2005 9:25 AM Why ask such a silly question[?][?][?] Originally posted by railfan619 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply dehusman Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Omaha, NE 10,621 posts Posted by dehusman on Thursday, June 30, 2005 9:09 AM How do they uncouple cars on a European hump with those "chain" connections? Its really simple with the North American knuckle coupler, since it can be done with a lever without going between the cars. Dave H. Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 30, 2005 3:34 AM n stephenson hit the nail on the head. we flat switch with remotes, depending on the cuts it can be real slow. an engineer is much faster. we also pull and spot an adjacent refiery with remotes. spotting is a little harder with the remote, but worse is the lead comming out ofthe refinery to the yard has an uphill grade, and you don't get a steady surge of power, the computer rises and falls to keep the speed in a certain range. God help us if there is ice, snow or wet rail....stalling out isn't unheard of..those can be some long days.... Reply Edit Green Bay Paddlers Member sinceJuly 2002 From: Green Bay, WI 197 posts Posted by Green Bay Paddlers on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 10:13 PM I've lived in Green Bay for over 10 years - I have yet to see a hump yard...???!!!???? Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 9:27 PM Plug away! When the folks at Englewood Hump have their goove on, thay can clear East Holding Yard in a single shift! What I was trying to get across is each style of switching has it pros and cons, and each fills a paticular niche in how cars get to where they need to go. If you are building road trains that are going to be re-classified later, then hump them suckers! If, on the other hand, you are building several small trains, around 100 cars or less, for several industry jobs, then flat switching is the way to go... Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 9:17 PM Ed, without taking away from the great job that you and your crew can do, I have to put in a plug for our hump. We aren't automated at all, and a five-man operation (an RCO/pinpuller, hump conductor, and three car retarder operators) could switch out that 120-car train in an hour, no sweat. Yes, we can make spur-of-the-moment decisions on track changes--and often do. We lock out bowl tracks when the pulldown crews need to couple and pull them. We're not humping on top of them, but they do have to look out for movement on adjacent tracks (that's part of the "alert and attentive" rule that comes very early on in GCOR). And where's the hump yard in Green Bay? Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply trainster1073 Member sinceFebruary 2004 74 posts Posted by trainster1073 on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 7:53 PM I went to Green Bay and stoped to watch the local yard hump cars. It was a lot of fun to watch. If anyone is in Green Bay stop and watch! Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 7:31 PM Not inefficient at all... In my yard, the carmen line the switch for the lead, and lock the switch, so nothing came get in there with them. We work around this stuff all the time, so being near moving cars isn’t a big deal. In bowl and hump yards, the hump master locks out the switches for the same reason. One of the efficiencies of flat switching is that I can get the tracks together, and swing them over, or spot them in place, for ground air. I can flat switch a 120 car train in about 2 hours...with my regular crew. Another of the better parts of flat switching is I can pre-block or classify on the fly; I am not restricted to which track a car has to goes to. If I need to slough off a car for a while, I can stash it, and pick it up later...flat switching is a lot more flexible that hump yards... Hump yards require a little more switching after the cars go over the hump…cover cars have the be turned head outs, spot cars have to be lined up, sometimes the entire track has to be re-switched in order to line up the cars in the order the train will need to work on it’s way. But hump yards are huge, and can run steady, 24/7, which helps make up in volume what it lacks in finesse. It all depends on the type of business and the type of customer you serve. Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply Big_Boy_4005 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: St Paul, MN 6,218 posts Posted by Big_Boy_4005 on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 5:44 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by coborn35 Do they have a worker who stands near the cars and connects the hoses? I would think it would be too dangerous, not to mention inefficient, to have men down in the bowl tracks with cars flying around. I'm back! Follow the progress: http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/displayForumTopic/content/12129987972340381/page/1 Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 5:32 PM Once a track is finished being filled during the humping process, a puller crew will come and stretch the track out and make sure it's all together, and then after that they pull out cuts and bring them into the depature yard. In the departure yard, a carman hooks the hoses and inspects the cars. That's the way it goes where I work anyhow. Reply Edit coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 3:58 PM Do they have a worker who stands near the cars and connects the hoses? Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. 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Originally posted by railfan619 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply dehusman Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Omaha, NE 10,621 posts Posted by dehusman on Thursday, June 30, 2005 9:09 AM How do they uncouple cars on a European hump with those "chain" connections? Its really simple with the North American knuckle coupler, since it can be done with a lever without going between the cars. Dave H. Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 30, 2005 3:34 AM n stephenson hit the nail on the head. we flat switch with remotes, depending on the cuts it can be real slow. an engineer is much faster. we also pull and spot an adjacent refiery with remotes. spotting is a little harder with the remote, but worse is the lead comming out ofthe refinery to the yard has an uphill grade, and you don't get a steady surge of power, the computer rises and falls to keep the speed in a certain range. God help us if there is ice, snow or wet rail....stalling out isn't unheard of..those can be some long days.... Reply Edit Green Bay Paddlers Member sinceJuly 2002 From: Green Bay, WI 197 posts Posted by Green Bay Paddlers on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 10:13 PM I've lived in Green Bay for over 10 years - I have yet to see a hump yard...???!!!???? Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 9:27 PM Plug away! When the folks at Englewood Hump have their goove on, thay can clear East Holding Yard in a single shift! What I was trying to get across is each style of switching has it pros and cons, and each fills a paticular niche in how cars get to where they need to go. If you are building road trains that are going to be re-classified later, then hump them suckers! If, on the other hand, you are building several small trains, around 100 cars or less, for several industry jobs, then flat switching is the way to go... Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 9:17 PM Ed, without taking away from the great job that you and your crew can do, I have to put in a plug for our hump. We aren't automated at all, and a five-man operation (an RCO/pinpuller, hump conductor, and three car retarder operators) could switch out that 120-car train in an hour, no sweat. Yes, we can make spur-of-the-moment decisions on track changes--and often do. We lock out bowl tracks when the pulldown crews need to couple and pull them. We're not humping on top of them, but they do have to look out for movement on adjacent tracks (that's part of the "alert and attentive" rule that comes very early on in GCOR). And where's the hump yard in Green Bay? Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply trainster1073 Member sinceFebruary 2004 74 posts Posted by trainster1073 on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 7:53 PM I went to Green Bay and stoped to watch the local yard hump cars. It was a lot of fun to watch. If anyone is in Green Bay stop and watch! Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 7:31 PM Not inefficient at all... In my yard, the carmen line the switch for the lead, and lock the switch, so nothing came get in there with them. We work around this stuff all the time, so being near moving cars isn’t a big deal. In bowl and hump yards, the hump master locks out the switches for the same reason. One of the efficiencies of flat switching is that I can get the tracks together, and swing them over, or spot them in place, for ground air. I can flat switch a 120 car train in about 2 hours...with my regular crew. Another of the better parts of flat switching is I can pre-block or classify on the fly; I am not restricted to which track a car has to goes to. If I need to slough off a car for a while, I can stash it, and pick it up later...flat switching is a lot more flexible that hump yards... Hump yards require a little more switching after the cars go over the hump…cover cars have the be turned head outs, spot cars have to be lined up, sometimes the entire track has to be re-switched in order to line up the cars in the order the train will need to work on it’s way. But hump yards are huge, and can run steady, 24/7, which helps make up in volume what it lacks in finesse. It all depends on the type of business and the type of customer you serve. Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply Big_Boy_4005 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: St Paul, MN 6,218 posts Posted by Big_Boy_4005 on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 5:44 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by coborn35 Do they have a worker who stands near the cars and connects the hoses? I would think it would be too dangerous, not to mention inefficient, to have men down in the bowl tracks with cars flying around. I'm back! Follow the progress: http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/displayForumTopic/content/12129987972340381/page/1 Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 5:32 PM Once a track is finished being filled during the humping process, a puller crew will come and stretch the track out and make sure it's all together, and then after that they pull out cuts and bring them into the depature yard. In the departure yard, a carman hooks the hoses and inspects the cars. That's the way it goes where I work anyhow. Reply Edit coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 3:58 PM Do they have a worker who stands near the cars and connects the hoses? Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. 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Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com
QUOTE: Originally posted by coborn35 Do they have a worker who stands near the cars and connects the hoses?
I'm back!
Follow the progress:
http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/displayForumTopic/content/12129987972340381/page/1
Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..."
The Missabe Road: Safety First
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