Terminology

[fndbke]

What's the term used to describe railroad obligations to loan locomotives to other railroads? I'm tryng to describe how and why the locomotives of one railroad are seen on their competitor's tracks.

[nanaimo73]

Horsepower-hours payback ?

[PNWRMNM]

There is no general obligation to loan locomotives. They may be leased or run thru or pooled. In lease the owner is paid money on a time basis, day month or year. In run through or pool horsepower hours are traded, with a net cash settlement, probably monthly.

The reason you are seeing foreign locos is that it is more effecient to run power across the points where ownership changes. This means fewer units in the total system to accompli***he same work. After that it is just accounting.

[adrianspeeder]

I have heard power by the hour.

Adrianspeeder

[Anonymous]

There is CN locos here in Philly down at the docks on the Delaware River.

[dehusman]

There are run through agreements that _allow_ power from one road to operate on another road. But they are not an _obligation_ that requires one road to provide power.

The only way that is would be an "obligation" is if the service agreement for the train required one road to provide the power (e.g. new coal train service to a power plant on the NS from the Powder River Basin on the UP and agreement requires UP to provide the power).

Dave H.

[Anonymous]

Is it worth drawing a distinction between "trackage" rights and "haulage" rights in this day and age?

Sometimes difficult to see whether the train is one's own line with loaners or a thru train from someone else's line with helpers from our "home" road---

[CSXrules4eva]

QUOTE: Originally posted by SILVERCHAMPION

There is CN locos here in Philly down at the docks on the Delaware River.

Really?? I haven't seen any CN locos around the Delaware. I have to look out for that next time I'm on the waterfront.

[PNWRMNM]

If you are a marketing or operating guy you will certainly distinguish between haulage and trackage rights.

[PNWRMNM]

Power by the hour is a specific form of locomotive leasing.

[dehusman]

I''ve seen Canadian units at the south end of Delaware Ave. as far back as 10 years ago. I think they come in on D&H trackage rights.

Dave H.

[BaltACD]

Most all of the Class I's have negotiated 'Run-Through' agreements for power.

These agreements calculate the power based on 'horsepower-hours'....A 3000 HP SD40 on road A for 1 hour is 3000 Horsepower hours. Each roads computer systems will keep track of the horsepower hours occuring on their system and whom they are owed or due from.

An NS locomotive delivered to CSX by CN would be in the CN's account with CSX....the way power crosses multiple company lines make the use of computers mandatory in keeping up with the acounts. Locomotive Managers on each property will manage the receipt and disbursment of power based on the outstanding horsepower hours figures.