Do Passenger railroads have to file with the STB to discontinue service.

[Anonymous]

Like when Amtrak cut out the 3 rivers or Vermont Railway cut out its Commuter Service. Do the old ICC rules apply in some fasion?

[passengerfan]

I don't believe Amtrak has to go through the STB to discontinue a train. The first round of cuts by Amtrak as I recall were just posted thirty days in advance and a hearing was held but the outcome was a forgone conclusion. I believe it is even easier for VIA Rail Canada to discontinue a train.

[RudyRockvilleMD]

If I am not mistaken passenger railroads must give 180 days notice when they want to take off a train; however, the STB cannot deny them permission to take off a passenger train.

[Anonymous]

Thank you. I dont see NARP coming up with the 1500.00 filing fee or any one passenger coming uo with that fee with the STB. One of the things involved with railroads having to cut there passenger trains was that Passenger service was no longer feasable. Now if later it became feasable maybe there is a legal way to petition the STB to force the host RR to run passenger service.(Yes I know Staggers).Many of the old ICC laws may still be on the books

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

Even the procedures under Section 13 of the Transportation Act of 1958 did not allow the ICC to order the establishment of a new service. The closest thing to this situation was that the ICC could order the continued operation of a train for one year when a petition for discontinuance was denied. Section 13 procedures for intercity trains were overridden by the Rail Passenger Service Act of 1971. Suburban services were usually under the jurisdiction of the state commissions since they rarely crossed state lines and I'm not familiar with any changes in the various laws in these matters since almost all suburban services are sponsored by government entities of some sort.

[Anonymous]

"New Service".... What I am looking for here is the possibility that the givermnent could order the Railroad to reestablish service that may have been abondoned 30 years ago if it could be proven that the traffic is now there.

[bobwilcox]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Peterson6868

"New Service".... What I am looking for here is the possibility that the givermnent could order the Railroad to reestablish service that may have been abondoned 30 years ago if it could be proven that the traffic is now there.

No there is not. In the 1920s Oregon asked the ICC to force the UP to build an east/west railroad across the central part of the state based on the new public convenance and necessity provinsions in the Transportattion Act of 1920. The US Supreme Court ruled that the ICC did not have the authority to force a railroad to add service. Of course if Oregon wanted to pay the cost to provide and operate the service that is a different matter.

[Anonymous]

Restablish service. Like forcing NS to put back the Cleveland to Youngstown commuter train that was abondoned on the 1970s

[bobwilcox]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Peterson6868

Restablish service. Like forcing NS to put back the Cleveland to Youngstown commuter train that was abondoned on the 1970s

Once the service is abandoned it is gone. Again, if the really really want Congress can force service but they must pay for the service.

[DaveBr]

What would it take to have Amtrak #14/#11 to start stopping once more here
at the Glendale Station.It was stopped last month on the 25 th. I believe?
They continue to go by but wont stop until Van Nuys.Such a shame,especially after remodling the station so beautiful.There has to be something Political
between Amtrak and the City of Glendale and that's hurting the people that
used to board here in Glendale. DaveBr.

[conrailman]

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