BRAND NEW BNSF GEVO ES44DC 7658 moving 70 MPH!

[Anonymous]

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=105347 BRAND NEW BNSF GEVO ES44DC 7658 flies 70 MPH through Channahon, Illinois! I hear 7695 in the NEW LOGO will be heading East down the BNSF Chicago to Aurora Race Track tomorrow, coming from Arizona. [:)] Thanks for looking!

[ChrisBARailfan]

For a train moving at 70 MPH wouldn't the lights have to be on? If you look at the pic neither the headlamp or the ditch lights are lit. I think this train was standing still.

[Anonymous]

good point... no lights

[BaltACD]

Besides no lights....no dust.

A 70 MPH train kicks up quite a dust storm back along the train.

[Anonymous]

I'm not going to dignify this with a response. My reputation as a published rail photographer speaks for itself. Railfan and Railroad February 2005 is the most recent.

[Anonymous]

well if he was going that fast, then he is really in trouble with no lights on, that dude, would be out of a job now.
Brad

[chad thomas]

In broad daylight and from that angle how can you tell if the lights are on???

[Anonymous]

Thank you, Chad. [:)]

[gabe]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Jimitrain

I'm not going to dignify this with a response. My reputation as a published rail photographer speaks for itself. Railfan and Railroad February 2005 is the most recent.

Jimitrain,

Why no response?

I wouldn't get too caught up in your reputation if I were you. No one on here is immune from being called out. People call out my legal knowledge all of the time, I explain to them why either they are wrong or why I was mistaken--as I know I am not above being called out. Heck, people call out Mark Hemphill all of the time. If he isn't immune from being called out, no one is.

On the merits, it is an absolutely beautiful picture. But, what about the above points? And did you have a radar gun? How could you tell it was going 70 mph?
Finally, if it were going that fast, wouldn't the engines be reving pretty hard--if we couldn't see smoke, wouldn't we at least be able to see the "waivy" looking discoloration from the heat of the engines?

I am not calling you out, I just assume you have an answer to these questions.

Gabe

[Anonymous]

so i can see the smoke rollin out of the 3rd unit. besides, i see a lot of trains running at speed with the headlights either completely off or dimmed...it's a little disturbing actually.

[Anonymous]

Re: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=105347

Thank you, Farmer03. [:)]

[gabe]

QUOTE: Originally posted by farmer03

so i can see the smoke rollin out of the 3rd unit. besides, i see a lot of trains running at speed with the headlights either completely off or dimmed...it's a little disturbing actually.

I noticed that too, but thought it was smoke from the train in the background--as it was slightly off-center and too far forward to be smoke from the third unit if it were doing 70mph. I really hope it was going 70, and don't get me wrong, I am not saying it wasn't. I just would like to hear the reason why others are wrong.

Gabe

[Anonymous]

Re: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=105347

QUOTE: Originally posted by gabe

QUOTE: Originally posted by Jimitrain

I'm not going to dignify this with a response. My reputation as a published rail photographer speaks for itself. Railfan and Railroad February 2005 is the most recent.

Jimitrain,

Why no response?

I wouldn't get too caught up in your reputation if I were you. No one on here is immune from being called out. People call out my legal knowledge all of the time, I explain to them why either they are wrong or why I was mistaken--as I know I am not above being called out. Heck, people call out Mark Hemphill all of the time. If he isn't immune from being called out, no one is.

On the merits, it is an absolutely beautiful picture. But, what about the above points? And did you have a radar gun? How could you tell it was going 70 mph?
Finally, if it were going that fast, wouldn't the engines be reving pretty hard--if we couldn't see smoke, wouldn't we at least be able to see the "waivy" looking discoloration from the heat of the engines?

I am not calling you out, I just assume you have an answer to these questions.

Gabe

Thank you for your kind words on my photo, Gabe. I didn't have a radar gun, but the track speed is 70 MPH. My father was an ex-engineer. I'll just have to take his word for it.

[chad thomas]

That simply will not do. We need to know exactly how fast it was going. If you don't know than you should time a mile 70 mph is 51 seconds to the mile. And if you don't have an acceptable time piece you are FIRED !!

Just kidding [8D]

[gabe]

Fair enough. It is just that it is an interesting photo, as well as a good one, and if you had a way of showing us it was 70 mph, I would have liked to have known. But your father's word is good enough for me.

Gabe

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas

That simply will not do. We need to know exactly how fast it was going. If you don't know than you should time a mile 70 mph is 51 seconds to the mile. And if you don't have an acceptable time piece you are FIRED !!

Just kidding [8D]

[:O].

[Anonymous]

Regardless of wether or not the train is moving, it's a nice picture.

[Anonymous]

Re: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=105347

Thank you very much! [:)]
Nick

[edblysard]

Nice photo...
But unless you have one fantastic rig...with a shutter speed around 2000th. And one heck of a big aperture..

The wheel bearings are not turning...

The exhaust is awful non existent for any GE running at 70mph, even brand new...

The ditch lights and headlights are off, and the train is entering a grade crossing...the FRA would pull the entire crew out of service if they see this...
And I don’t know a single engineer who would blast over a crossing sans lights...
Besides, the GCOR and NORAC both require the ditch lights and headlight to be on bright when the engine is moving, exception is in yards and when
holding in a siding...

Oh, and the brakes are either set, or being set...

Not a speck of dust, at 70, it would have a good little dust up working...

And, from someone who stands real close to moving trains all day long, unless you have cat like reflexes, and a camera that can frame, compose, set apeture and shutter speed in a fraction of a second, and has a steady cam feature...at 70mph that sucker would have rocked you in your shoes...

Now, with a camera on a tripod, already aimed and focused....

Chad, the ditch lights and head light are several time brighter than auto headlights, even in daylight, and on dim, they are clearly visible.

I know, I know, how dare I...
Well, because I work around these thing all day long, its what I do for a living...and have quite a few photos to my credit too....


But still a great looking photo...

Ed

[miniwyo]

Hey, Its a great picture, It is really clear and id actually like ot know, Digital, or film? What Brand of camera?


Ed- What are you looking at to know about the brakes being set? I have studied this picture and cannot see a thing that would tell me that.

[mikeyuhas]

Hey Nick,

What time of day was this cool photo taken?

Thanks!

[ChuckCobleigh]

Kodak DX6490 Zoom Digital Camera (4.3 Mpix)

1/720 second at f:4, focal length of 6.3 mm (widest angle)

At least according to the embedded XIF data with the image.

Kodak says that the 6.3mm focal length is equivalent to 38mm for a normal 35mm film camera.

[CShaveRR]

Channahon?

Wrong side of the river!

I'm not a photographer, but smelled a rat. And Ed helped spot it.

[edblysard]

Miniwyo...
Look at the lead trucks, rear section, between the fuel tank and the truck frame.
See the hand brake chain?
It is taunt...the handbrake is snugged up.
Oh, and the pistons on the brakes cylinders are out a little...either the engineer has a service reduction in action, or that train is tied down, waiting on a new crew.

Again, its still a great photo, static or not.

Now, if you want to see a brand, and I mean first revenue move ES44DC with the new logo, look here..
http://165.91.110.43/trains/NewBNSF/PTRA.htm

Of course, I dont want to make any speed claims, other than...
it is stilling still.

A few minutes after I took the photo, we took it down to the city docks and tied it on to a special move train, a huge refinery reactor on a Schnable car.
Sent the train Mudchickens way the next day.

Ed

[Modelcar]

...What I see: No shimmering heat from the stacks....no head lights and ditch lights in the on position.....{Where's the engineer...}.....time of day, about mid afternoon or morning...Crystal clear photo, like possibly no movement......Wonder about the closeness to the crossing...Is it proper to {if it is}, to be stopped that close to the crossing......Thought rail cars and or trains had to be back from the crossing so many car lengths......{for vision of drivers}. Again, beautiful photo.....Wouldn't lens as stated be so "wide angle" to produce "fish eye effect"....And did I mention, it's a beautiful photo...

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by mikeyuhas

Hey Nick,

What time of day was this cool photo taken?

Thanks!

It was taken about 5:00 P.M. [:)]

[emmar]

Great picture ,but the train does look like it is just sitting there.However if the film speed was fast enough it could have produced this effect ( however the lack of lights or heat waves is a bit odd).

[Gluefinger]

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