QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 Great pictures! One dumb question. I noticed that they built the shoo-fly right next to the road bridge. The road was not a main highway, just a rural dirt/gravel road. Why didn't the UP think of using the road bridge as a shoo-fly? If it is a weight issue, could the road bridge have been supported by some extra ballast? CC
Originally posted by Trailryder Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Chris30 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: near Chicago 937 posts Posted by Chris30 on Saturday, May 7, 2005 11:40 AM Great pictures! One dumb question. I noticed that they built the shoo-fly right next to the road bridge. The road was not a main highway, just a rural dirt/gravel road. Why didn't the UP think of using the road bridge as a shoo-fly? If it is a weight issue, could the road bridge have been supported by some extra ballast? CC Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, May 7, 2005 12:11 AM thanks for sending along great pictures with good captions Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 6, 2005 11:42 PM PS GREAT PIC!! Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 6, 2005 11:40 PM Bill, How did you get in there? From the east? I tried from the west Rt30 entrance and it was blocked and I was denied. Or do you have a white hat. The UP guy I talked with said they still didn't have a cause and the infared guys weren't there yet. Hey said it wouldn't do them much good cause there was still 15 cars in gully and they couldn't get to bootom cars to check the wheels. That was around noon. You live in sterling area? Reply Edit Chris30 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: near Chicago 937 posts Posted by Chris30 on Friday, May 6, 2005 9:39 PM The bridge was built in the 1890's. Didn't know that it was that old. Does anybody know what caused this derailment? It wasn't the bridge, was it? CC Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 6, 2005 9:08 PM Thank you so much for sharing your photo's. Thank you. BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit Trailryder Member sinceMay 2005 From: Northern Illinois 130 posts Posted by Trailryder on Friday, May 6, 2005 7:21 PM O.K. Lets see if this works. I will try just one picture and go from there. Link - http://www.pbase.com/trailryder/image/43038572 The Galt RR Bridge knocked off it's foundations, this is a 140'long, 2 track Railroad bridge that was built in the 1890's. It happly carried Rail traffic untill Tuesday May 4, 2005 when it was destroyed by a eastbound mixed freight train. I hope this works. Bill I see it says direct Linking Denied, but you should still be able to use the link. only 1 pic now but I will be adding more pic's ASAP. If You Don't know where your going, Any Road will Take you There. Reply CopCarSS Member sinceAugust 2002 From: Turner Junction 3,076 posts Posted by CopCarSS on Friday, May 6, 2005 5:32 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Trailryder I was there last night when the frist train went through at 6:52 pm it was a coal train eastbound with UP Engines 6021&7513 leading after that trains ran every 15-20 min. for the next hour & half all EB. I left around 9:30. All trains I saw were eastbound. they only had one bypass track open. they had not yet started building a 2nd bypass track. I have over 100 pictures of the derailment area from the last 2 days. I also have a hand full of the bridge in question from 2 weeks ago. I am new to this site is there a way to post pictures? please explain. I will be back in about hour to check replys. Later Bill Bill, while you can't post pictures directly here, you can post them on other free sites, and link them here. www.pbase.com is where I keep my pictures. I do pay for an account, but they offer some free space ( I can't remember how much). To post a picture from pbase, simply enclose the link with .jpg added to it. Before the link, add img in brackets, and /img in brackets after the link. As an example, here's a shot from the Colorado Rail Museum. The link is: http://www.pbase.com/copcarss/image/41772573 I just add .jpg to the end of it, and enclose it with (img) (/img), substituting brackets for parentheses (If I did the brackets, it would try to display a picture, and you wouldn't see it). The end result is: If you have any questions, post a reply, or feel free to e-mail me (e-mail is in my profile). Thanks in advance for the pix! Chris Denver, CO -ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams Reply Trailryder Member sinceMay 2005 From: Northern Illinois 130 posts Posted by Trailryder on Friday, May 6, 2005 4:18 PM I was there last night when the frist train went through at 6:52 pm it was a coal train eastbound with UP Engines 6021&7513 leading after that trains ran every 15-20 min. for the next hour & half all EB. I left around 9:30. All trains I saw were eastbound. they only had one bypass track open. they had not yet started building a 2nd bypass track. I have over 100 pictures of the derailment area from the last 2 days. I also have a hand full of the bridge in question from 2 weeks ago. I am new to this site is there a way to post pictures? please explain. I will be back in about hour to check replys. Later Bill If You Don't know where your going, Any Road will Take you There. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, May 6, 2005 3:02 PM Thanks for the very detailed report. [:p][8D][:)] Originally posted by RIRR80 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 6, 2005 2:17 PM Just got back from trip to lhs, and stopped at Galt. 4 large and 1 huge crane working the sight. Pieces of new bridge are already on semis on the road alongside. Talked in great length with UP sup. leaving the scene. He was very hospitable (wow) and he said the following; (in a nutshell) 1. There are still 15 cars in the ravine 2. They had 11 EB trains stacked back to Clinton this AM 3. EB andWB is boyh moving thru the shoo-fly 4. No,you can't get close enough for decent pics 5. Now BN is pissed cause they've screwed up their schedules 6. The cost witheverything was probably going to have a 1 with a bunch of zeroes My thoughts: The scene was utter chaos, there was still 75 white trucks parked a mile alongside the road, every grain hauler for 50 miles was lined up with their trucks. And with all the diversions and controlling the EB and WB there is some controlling manager doing his best Lloyd Bridges impression "I guess I picked a bad week to quit (fill in the blank-smoking/drinking/drugs) [(-D] Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, May 6, 2005 1:04 PM Tha cam has shown some UPRR traffic. Where it is coming from or going to who knows? [:p][:D] Originally posted by CShaveRR [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, May 6, 2005 1:02 PM I saw the UPRR come off the Geneva sub & when working the plants pushed cars out onto that track I guess to make room. A train just passed on track so it can be used if needed since it supported the locos & cars from Del Monte today. I know the track serves the Del Monte plant behind the trees Originally posted by Chris30 quote from Spbed: Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Friday, May 6, 2005 10:56 AM Chris, in recent years (before it was removed), that connection track would have been a real adventure to operate trains over. As for working on other maintenance projects, I'm sure Galt took/is taking first priority. Trains began running over the shoofly last evening, so any window of opportunity is gone. (Interesting question, though--anyone know whether wrokers were removed from, say, the triple-tracking project east of Elburn to help at Galt? Or will they be when the track is ready to be restored over the new bidge? Another question--will the new bridge(s) be built to the wider track centers that UP is implementing elsewhere?) Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply Chris30 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: near Chicago 937 posts Posted by Chris30 on Friday, May 6, 2005 9:02 AM QUOTE: quote from Spbed: Well if you look at the cam the track next to the tree accesses the UPRR tracks that you cannot see on the cam. The track that you see on the Rochelle web cam serves the Del Monte Plant. I'm not sure if it could be considered a true connection track. BN/BNSF detours in years past always used the connection track that was taken out of service. EB BN/BNSF trains that detoured over the CNW/UP had to pull through Rochelle and that back through the connection track to home rails. I'm sure if the Del Monte lead could have been used as a connection they would have used it first. Does anybody know, or seen, the Del Monte lead used as a emergency connection track between the UP & BNSF?? Also, with the derailment at Galt & a lot of trains detouring, I wonder if the UP is taking advantage of the situation to do other maintenance related projects on the Geneva Sub? My guess is that they have every available person helping at Galt. CC Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 5, 2005 6:09 PM No word on the cause of the de-railment yet? BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 5, 2005 4:02 PM Sounds like a few trains are detouring on IAIS between CB and Peoria. And on ICE between Chicago and Clinton. i dont know for sure, its just what i read on another forum. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, May 5, 2005 2:18 PM Well if you look at the cam the track next to the tree accesses the UPRR tracks that you cannot see on the cam. [:o)][:D] QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 5, 2005 12:28 PM More Info: > Subject: Union Pacific derailment Galt, Illinois > > The Union Pacific advises that they will complete a run around single main line track with a speed of 25 mph sometime this evening. They will then start staging > trains to run so many hours eastbound and then reverse it and run so many hours westbound. They are still detouring and rerouting all the trains possible > to eliminate the congestion. The repairs and construction of the new bridge will not be completed until mid week of May 9th. > > Service will continue to be delayed for the near future with no estimate of when it will return to normal. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 5, 2005 12:12 PM Originally posted by spbed Me too I am tried of googling in fact & came up with a big fat zero. I guess Helicopters are not used in western IL [:o)][8D][:D] [ spbed, they save all the helicopters for fall so they can catch the pot growers. We seem to have at least one or two each year. They grow it in the middle of the corn fields and as soon as the corn turns they can spot the green square patch in the middle of the field. Ft. Madison eh? I live 15 minutes east of QC. in Erie Reply Edit Chris30 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: near Chicago 937 posts Posted by Chris30 on Thursday, May 5, 2005 11:13 AM Trains that are seen on the Rochelle cam are probably using the SI Line at Nelson. Also, it is worth mentioning that the connection between the UP Geneva Sub & BNSF C&I line at the Rochelle diamonds was taken out some years ago. I'm sure the UP wishes they had that routing now - west to Rochelle, detour northwest to Savana on the BNSF, then back south on ICE to Clinton. Of course, the BNSF is probably glad that the connection was removed because the C&I line can't handle that much more traffic. CC Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, May 5, 2005 10:53 AM There are a few pictures over on Trainorders.com. Also, an update that suggests that the shoofly will be open by 6:30 tonight. From that update, the wrecked cars should be cleared from track by now, with fill being placed around pipes on the shoofly. Piling for the new bridge will be driven beginning tonight (it sounds more like a trestle), and they're figuring that one track will be reopened Sunday, with the second by next Wednesday. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, May 5, 2005 10:49 AM Well the temporary bridge must be in place as a EB is passing the cam NOW! Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, May 5, 2005 9:47 AM Me too I am tried of googling in fact & came up with a big fat zero. I guess Helicopters are not used in western IL [:o)][8D][:D] Originally posted by CopCarSS [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply 1234 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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QUOTE: Originally posted by Trailryder I was there last night when the frist train went through at 6:52 pm it was a coal train eastbound with UP Engines 6021&7513 leading after that trains ran every 15-20 min. for the next hour & half all EB. I left around 9:30. All trains I saw were eastbound. they only had one bypass track open. they had not yet started building a 2nd bypass track. I have over 100 pictures of the derailment area from the last 2 days. I also have a hand full of the bridge in question from 2 weeks ago. I am new to this site is there a way to post pictures? please explain. I will be back in about hour to check replys. Later Bill
-ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams
Originally posted by RIRR80 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 6, 2005 2:17 PM Just got back from trip to lhs, and stopped at Galt. 4 large and 1 huge crane working the sight. Pieces of new bridge are already on semis on the road alongside. Talked in great length with UP sup. leaving the scene. He was very hospitable (wow) and he said the following; (in a nutshell) 1. There are still 15 cars in the ravine 2. They had 11 EB trains stacked back to Clinton this AM 3. EB andWB is boyh moving thru the shoo-fly 4. No,you can't get close enough for decent pics 5. Now BN is pissed cause they've screwed up their schedules 6. The cost witheverything was probably going to have a 1 with a bunch of zeroes My thoughts: The scene was utter chaos, there was still 75 white trucks parked a mile alongside the road, every grain hauler for 50 miles was lined up with their trucks. And with all the diversions and controlling the EB and WB there is some controlling manager doing his best Lloyd Bridges impression "I guess I picked a bad week to quit (fill in the blank-smoking/drinking/drugs) [(-D] Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, May 6, 2005 1:04 PM Tha cam has shown some UPRR traffic. Where it is coming from or going to who knows? [:p][:D] Originally posted by CShaveRR [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, May 6, 2005 1:02 PM I saw the UPRR come off the Geneva sub & when working the plants pushed cars out onto that track I guess to make room. A train just passed on track so it can be used if needed since it supported the locos & cars from Del Monte today. I know the track serves the Del Monte plant behind the trees Originally posted by Chris30 quote from Spbed: Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Friday, May 6, 2005 10:56 AM Chris, in recent years (before it was removed), that connection track would have been a real adventure to operate trains over. As for working on other maintenance projects, I'm sure Galt took/is taking first priority. Trains began running over the shoofly last evening, so any window of opportunity is gone. (Interesting question, though--anyone know whether wrokers were removed from, say, the triple-tracking project east of Elburn to help at Galt? Or will they be when the track is ready to be restored over the new bidge? Another question--will the new bridge(s) be built to the wider track centers that UP is implementing elsewhere?) Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply Chris30 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: near Chicago 937 posts Posted by Chris30 on Friday, May 6, 2005 9:02 AM QUOTE: quote from Spbed: Well if you look at the cam the track next to the tree accesses the UPRR tracks that you cannot see on the cam. The track that you see on the Rochelle web cam serves the Del Monte Plant. I'm not sure if it could be considered a true connection track. BN/BNSF detours in years past always used the connection track that was taken out of service. EB BN/BNSF trains that detoured over the CNW/UP had to pull through Rochelle and that back through the connection track to home rails. I'm sure if the Del Monte lead could have been used as a connection they would have used it first. Does anybody know, or seen, the Del Monte lead used as a emergency connection track between the UP & BNSF?? Also, with the derailment at Galt & a lot of trains detouring, I wonder if the UP is taking advantage of the situation to do other maintenance related projects on the Geneva Sub? My guess is that they have every available person helping at Galt. CC Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 5, 2005 6:09 PM No word on the cause of the de-railment yet? BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 5, 2005 4:02 PM Sounds like a few trains are detouring on IAIS between CB and Peoria. And on ICE between Chicago and Clinton. i dont know for sure, its just what i read on another forum. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, May 5, 2005 2:18 PM Well if you look at the cam the track next to the tree accesses the UPRR tracks that you cannot see on the cam. [:o)][:D] QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 5, 2005 12:28 PM More Info: > Subject: Union Pacific derailment Galt, Illinois > > The Union Pacific advises that they will complete a run around single main line track with a speed of 25 mph sometime this evening. They will then start staging > trains to run so many hours eastbound and then reverse it and run so many hours westbound. They are still detouring and rerouting all the trains possible > to eliminate the congestion. The repairs and construction of the new bridge will not be completed until mid week of May 9th. > > Service will continue to be delayed for the near future with no estimate of when it will return to normal. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 5, 2005 12:12 PM Originally posted by spbed Me too I am tried of googling in fact & came up with a big fat zero. I guess Helicopters are not used in western IL [:o)][8D][:D] [ spbed, they save all the helicopters for fall so they can catch the pot growers. We seem to have at least one or two each year. They grow it in the middle of the corn fields and as soon as the corn turns they can spot the green square patch in the middle of the field. Ft. Madison eh? I live 15 minutes east of QC. in Erie Reply Edit Chris30 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: near Chicago 937 posts Posted by Chris30 on Thursday, May 5, 2005 11:13 AM Trains that are seen on the Rochelle cam are probably using the SI Line at Nelson. Also, it is worth mentioning that the connection between the UP Geneva Sub & BNSF C&I line at the Rochelle diamonds was taken out some years ago. I'm sure the UP wishes they had that routing now - west to Rochelle, detour northwest to Savana on the BNSF, then back south on ICE to Clinton. Of course, the BNSF is probably glad that the connection was removed because the C&I line can't handle that much more traffic. CC Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, May 5, 2005 10:53 AM There are a few pictures over on Trainorders.com. Also, an update that suggests that the shoofly will be open by 6:30 tonight. From that update, the wrecked cars should be cleared from track by now, with fill being placed around pipes on the shoofly. Piling for the new bridge will be driven beginning tonight (it sounds more like a trestle), and they're figuring that one track will be reopened Sunday, with the second by next Wednesday. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, May 5, 2005 10:49 AM Well the temporary bridge must be in place as a EB is passing the cam NOW! Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, May 5, 2005 9:47 AM Me too I am tried of googling in fact & came up with a big fat zero. I guess Helicopters are not used in western IL [:o)][8D][:D] Originally posted by CopCarSS [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply 1234 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by CShaveRR [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, May 6, 2005 1:02 PM I saw the UPRR come off the Geneva sub & when working the plants pushed cars out onto that track I guess to make room. A train just passed on track so it can be used if needed since it supported the locos & cars from Del Monte today. I know the track serves the Del Monte plant behind the trees Originally posted by Chris30 quote from Spbed: Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Friday, May 6, 2005 10:56 AM Chris, in recent years (before it was removed), that connection track would have been a real adventure to operate trains over. As for working on other maintenance projects, I'm sure Galt took/is taking first priority. Trains began running over the shoofly last evening, so any window of opportunity is gone. (Interesting question, though--anyone know whether wrokers were removed from, say, the triple-tracking project east of Elburn to help at Galt? Or will they be when the track is ready to be restored over the new bidge? Another question--will the new bridge(s) be built to the wider track centers that UP is implementing elsewhere?) Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply Chris30 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: near Chicago 937 posts Posted by Chris30 on Friday, May 6, 2005 9:02 AM QUOTE: quote from Spbed: Well if you look at the cam the track next to the tree accesses the UPRR tracks that you cannot see on the cam. The track that you see on the Rochelle web cam serves the Del Monte Plant. I'm not sure if it could be considered a true connection track. BN/BNSF detours in years past always used the connection track that was taken out of service. EB BN/BNSF trains that detoured over the CNW/UP had to pull through Rochelle and that back through the connection track to home rails. I'm sure if the Del Monte lead could have been used as a connection they would have used it first. Does anybody know, or seen, the Del Monte lead used as a emergency connection track between the UP & BNSF?? Also, with the derailment at Galt & a lot of trains detouring, I wonder if the UP is taking advantage of the situation to do other maintenance related projects on the Geneva Sub? My guess is that they have every available person helping at Galt. CC Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 5, 2005 6:09 PM No word on the cause of the de-railment yet? BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 5, 2005 4:02 PM Sounds like a few trains are detouring on IAIS between CB and Peoria. And on ICE between Chicago and Clinton. i dont know for sure, its just what i read on another forum. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, May 5, 2005 2:18 PM Well if you look at the cam the track next to the tree accesses the UPRR tracks that you cannot see on the cam. [:o)][:D] QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 5, 2005 12:28 PM More Info: > Subject: Union Pacific derailment Galt, Illinois > > The Union Pacific advises that they will complete a run around single main line track with a speed of 25 mph sometime this evening. They will then start staging > trains to run so many hours eastbound and then reverse it and run so many hours westbound. They are still detouring and rerouting all the trains possible > to eliminate the congestion. The repairs and construction of the new bridge will not be completed until mid week of May 9th. > > Service will continue to be delayed for the near future with no estimate of when it will return to normal. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 5, 2005 12:12 PM Originally posted by spbed Me too I am tried of googling in fact & came up with a big fat zero. I guess Helicopters are not used in western IL [:o)][8D][:D] [ spbed, they save all the helicopters for fall so they can catch the pot growers. We seem to have at least one or two each year. They grow it in the middle of the corn fields and as soon as the corn turns they can spot the green square patch in the middle of the field. Ft. Madison eh? I live 15 minutes east of QC. in Erie Reply Edit Chris30 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: near Chicago 937 posts Posted by Chris30 on Thursday, May 5, 2005 11:13 AM Trains that are seen on the Rochelle cam are probably using the SI Line at Nelson. Also, it is worth mentioning that the connection between the UP Geneva Sub & BNSF C&I line at the Rochelle diamonds was taken out some years ago. I'm sure the UP wishes they had that routing now - west to Rochelle, detour northwest to Savana on the BNSF, then back south on ICE to Clinton. Of course, the BNSF is probably glad that the connection was removed because the C&I line can't handle that much more traffic. CC Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, May 5, 2005 10:53 AM There are a few pictures over on Trainorders.com. Also, an update that suggests that the shoofly will be open by 6:30 tonight. From that update, the wrecked cars should be cleared from track by now, with fill being placed around pipes on the shoofly. Piling for the new bridge will be driven beginning tonight (it sounds more like a trestle), and they're figuring that one track will be reopened Sunday, with the second by next Wednesday. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, May 5, 2005 10:49 AM Well the temporary bridge must be in place as a EB is passing the cam NOW! Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, May 5, 2005 9:47 AM Me too I am tried of googling in fact & came up with a big fat zero. I guess Helicopters are not used in western IL [:o)][8D][:D] Originally posted by CopCarSS [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply 1234 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by Chris30 quote from Spbed: Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Friday, May 6, 2005 10:56 AM Chris, in recent years (before it was removed), that connection track would have been a real adventure to operate trains over. As for working on other maintenance projects, I'm sure Galt took/is taking first priority. Trains began running over the shoofly last evening, so any window of opportunity is gone. (Interesting question, though--anyone know whether wrokers were removed from, say, the triple-tracking project east of Elburn to help at Galt? Or will they be when the track is ready to be restored over the new bidge? Another question--will the new bridge(s) be built to the wider track centers that UP is implementing elsewhere?) Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply Chris30 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: near Chicago 937 posts Posted by Chris30 on Friday, May 6, 2005 9:02 AM QUOTE: quote from Spbed: Well if you look at the cam the track next to the tree accesses the UPRR tracks that you cannot see on the cam. The track that you see on the Rochelle web cam serves the Del Monte Plant. I'm not sure if it could be considered a true connection track. BN/BNSF detours in years past always used the connection track that was taken out of service. EB BN/BNSF trains that detoured over the CNW/UP had to pull through Rochelle and that back through the connection track to home rails. I'm sure if the Del Monte lead could have been used as a connection they would have used it first. Does anybody know, or seen, the Del Monte lead used as a emergency connection track between the UP & BNSF?? Also, with the derailment at Galt & a lot of trains detouring, I wonder if the UP is taking advantage of the situation to do other maintenance related projects on the Geneva Sub? My guess is that they have every available person helping at Galt. CC Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 5, 2005 6:09 PM No word on the cause of the de-railment yet? BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 5, 2005 4:02 PM Sounds like a few trains are detouring on IAIS between CB and Peoria. And on ICE between Chicago and Clinton. i dont know for sure, its just what i read on another forum. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, May 5, 2005 2:18 PM Well if you look at the cam the track next to the tree accesses the UPRR tracks that you cannot see on the cam. [:o)][:D] QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 5, 2005 12:28 PM More Info: > Subject: Union Pacific derailment Galt, Illinois > > The Union Pacific advises that they will complete a run around single main line track with a speed of 25 mph sometime this evening. They will then start staging > trains to run so many hours eastbound and then reverse it and run so many hours westbound. They are still detouring and rerouting all the trains possible > to eliminate the congestion. The repairs and construction of the new bridge will not be completed until mid week of May 9th. > > Service will continue to be delayed for the near future with no estimate of when it will return to normal. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 5, 2005 12:12 PM Originally posted by spbed Me too I am tried of googling in fact & came up with a big fat zero. I guess Helicopters are not used in western IL [:o)][8D][:D] [ spbed, they save all the helicopters for fall so they can catch the pot growers. We seem to have at least one or two each year. They grow it in the middle of the corn fields and as soon as the corn turns they can spot the green square patch in the middle of the field. Ft. Madison eh? I live 15 minutes east of QC. in Erie Reply Edit Chris30 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: near Chicago 937 posts Posted by Chris30 on Thursday, May 5, 2005 11:13 AM Trains that are seen on the Rochelle cam are probably using the SI Line at Nelson. Also, it is worth mentioning that the connection between the UP Geneva Sub & BNSF C&I line at the Rochelle diamonds was taken out some years ago. I'm sure the UP wishes they had that routing now - west to Rochelle, detour northwest to Savana on the BNSF, then back south on ICE to Clinton. Of course, the BNSF is probably glad that the connection was removed because the C&I line can't handle that much more traffic. CC Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, May 5, 2005 10:53 AM There are a few pictures over on Trainorders.com. Also, an update that suggests that the shoofly will be open by 6:30 tonight. From that update, the wrecked cars should be cleared from track by now, with fill being placed around pipes on the shoofly. Piling for the new bridge will be driven beginning tonight (it sounds more like a trestle), and they're figuring that one track will be reopened Sunday, with the second by next Wednesday. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, May 5, 2005 10:49 AM Well the temporary bridge must be in place as a EB is passing the cam NOW! Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, May 5, 2005 9:47 AM Me too I am tried of googling in fact & came up with a big fat zero. I guess Helicopters are not used in western IL [:o)][8D][:D] Originally posted by CopCarSS [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply 1234 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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quote from Spbed: Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Friday, May 6, 2005 10:56 AM Chris, in recent years (before it was removed), that connection track would have been a real adventure to operate trains over. As for working on other maintenance projects, I'm sure Galt took/is taking first priority. Trains began running over the shoofly last evening, so any window of opportunity is gone. (Interesting question, though--anyone know whether wrokers were removed from, say, the triple-tracking project east of Elburn to help at Galt? Or will they be when the track is ready to be restored over the new bidge? Another question--will the new bridge(s) be built to the wider track centers that UP is implementing elsewhere?) Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply Chris30 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: near Chicago 937 posts Posted by Chris30 on Friday, May 6, 2005 9:02 AM QUOTE: quote from Spbed: Well if you look at the cam the track next to the tree accesses the UPRR tracks that you cannot see on the cam. The track that you see on the Rochelle web cam serves the Del Monte Plant. I'm not sure if it could be considered a true connection track. BN/BNSF detours in years past always used the connection track that was taken out of service. EB BN/BNSF trains that detoured over the CNW/UP had to pull through Rochelle and that back through the connection track to home rails. I'm sure if the Del Monte lead could have been used as a connection they would have used it first. Does anybody know, or seen, the Del Monte lead used as a emergency connection track between the UP & BNSF?? Also, with the derailment at Galt & a lot of trains detouring, I wonder if the UP is taking advantage of the situation to do other maintenance related projects on the Geneva Sub? My guess is that they have every available person helping at Galt. CC Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 5, 2005 6:09 PM No word on the cause of the de-railment yet? BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 5, 2005 4:02 PM Sounds like a few trains are detouring on IAIS between CB and Peoria. And on ICE between Chicago and Clinton. i dont know for sure, its just what i read on another forum. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, May 5, 2005 2:18 PM Well if you look at the cam the track next to the tree accesses the UPRR tracks that you cannot see on the cam. [:o)][:D] QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 5, 2005 12:28 PM More Info: > Subject: Union Pacific derailment Galt, Illinois > > The Union Pacific advises that they will complete a run around single main line track with a speed of 25 mph sometime this evening. They will then start staging > trains to run so many hours eastbound and then reverse it and run so many hours westbound. They are still detouring and rerouting all the trains possible > to eliminate the congestion. The repairs and construction of the new bridge will not be completed until mid week of May 9th. > > Service will continue to be delayed for the near future with no estimate of when it will return to normal. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 5, 2005 12:12 PM Originally posted by spbed Me too I am tried of googling in fact & came up with a big fat zero. I guess Helicopters are not used in western IL [:o)][8D][:D] [ spbed, they save all the helicopters for fall so they can catch the pot growers. We seem to have at least one or two each year. They grow it in the middle of the corn fields and as soon as the corn turns they can spot the green square patch in the middle of the field. Ft. Madison eh? I live 15 minutes east of QC. in Erie Reply Edit Chris30 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: near Chicago 937 posts Posted by Chris30 on Thursday, May 5, 2005 11:13 AM Trains that are seen on the Rochelle cam are probably using the SI Line at Nelson. Also, it is worth mentioning that the connection between the UP Geneva Sub & BNSF C&I line at the Rochelle diamonds was taken out some years ago. I'm sure the UP wishes they had that routing now - west to Rochelle, detour northwest to Savana on the BNSF, then back south on ICE to Clinton. Of course, the BNSF is probably glad that the connection was removed because the C&I line can't handle that much more traffic. CC Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, May 5, 2005 10:53 AM There are a few pictures over on Trainorders.com. Also, an update that suggests that the shoofly will be open by 6:30 tonight. From that update, the wrecked cars should be cleared from track by now, with fill being placed around pipes on the shoofly. Piling for the new bridge will be driven beginning tonight (it sounds more like a trestle), and they're figuring that one track will be reopened Sunday, with the second by next Wednesday. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, May 5, 2005 10:49 AM Well the temporary bridge must be in place as a EB is passing the cam NOW! Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, May 5, 2005 9:47 AM Me too I am tried of googling in fact & came up with a big fat zero. I guess Helicopters are not used in western IL [:o)][8D][:D] Originally posted by CopCarSS [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply 1234 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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QUOTE: quote from Spbed: Well if you look at the cam the track next to the tree accesses the UPRR tracks that you cannot see on the cam.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30
Originally posted by spbed Me too I am tried of googling in fact & came up with a big fat zero. I guess Helicopters are not used in western IL [:o)][8D][:D] [ spbed, they save all the helicopters for fall so they can catch the pot growers. We seem to have at least one or two each year. They grow it in the middle of the corn fields and as soon as the corn turns they can spot the green square patch in the middle of the field. Ft. Madison eh? I live 15 minutes east of QC. in Erie Reply Edit Chris30 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: near Chicago 937 posts Posted by Chris30 on Thursday, May 5, 2005 11:13 AM Trains that are seen on the Rochelle cam are probably using the SI Line at Nelson. Also, it is worth mentioning that the connection between the UP Geneva Sub & BNSF C&I line at the Rochelle diamonds was taken out some years ago. I'm sure the UP wishes they had that routing now - west to Rochelle, detour northwest to Savana on the BNSF, then back south on ICE to Clinton. Of course, the BNSF is probably glad that the connection was removed because the C&I line can't handle that much more traffic. CC Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, May 5, 2005 10:53 AM There are a few pictures over on Trainorders.com. Also, an update that suggests that the shoofly will be open by 6:30 tonight. From that update, the wrecked cars should be cleared from track by now, with fill being placed around pipes on the shoofly. Piling for the new bridge will be driven beginning tonight (it sounds more like a trestle), and they're figuring that one track will be reopened Sunday, with the second by next Wednesday. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, May 5, 2005 10:49 AM Well the temporary bridge must be in place as a EB is passing the cam NOW! Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, May 5, 2005 9:47 AM Me too I am tried of googling in fact & came up with a big fat zero. I guess Helicopters are not used in western IL [:o)][8D][:D] Originally posted by CopCarSS [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply 1234 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by CopCarSS [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply 1234 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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