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BNSF Racetrack Industries?
Posted by Green Bay Paddlers on Sunday, March 13, 2005 9:48 AM
Hello - I have a quick question for those of you in the Chicago area...

I am currently modeling the "racetrack" between Chicago and Aurora. I'm curious if anyone knows of any industry between Chicago and Aurora serviced by this stretch of track? Basically, I'm looking for simple trackside industries that have freight cars delivered/picked-up throughout the week. I know there is a plant near Congress Park that gets some tank cars (although, those might be delivered by the IHB). Also - I know GEE Lumber in LaGrange and Hinsdale used to get lumber deliveries as late as the 80's. (I'm planning on using a "modeler's license" to model that as well).

The follow-up question is: What "local" delivers these cars? Do they originate from Cicero, Eola, etc?

I sincerely appreciate any help you guys can offer. I love these forums and the help you folks always manage to provide me.

Many thanks,

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Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, March 13, 2005 10:06 AM
Are you going to model the interchange with the Indiana Harbor Belt?
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Posted by Green Bay Paddlers on Sunday, March 13, 2005 3:24 PM
Yes, that is definitely a plan. That way I can incorporate some staging at Global 2, etc...

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 14, 2005 7:17 AM
The Pepperidge Farm bakery between Downers Grove and Westmont gets a couple covered hoppers ~4 times a week. The same local switches the Hines lumber yard in Downers Grove and may do the Gee sidings in Hinsdale & LaGrange as well. The local originates out of Eola usually around 11-12 a.m. and returns 2 - 3 hours later. Some days the loco has been turned, so it probably went to Congress Park, other times it hasn't. Motive power is often a GP38, but sometimes it runs with a GP30 still painted SF blue & yellow. The consist varies from just 2 covered hoppers to the hoppers plus 2-4 lumber flats. I believe I've also ssen a corn syrup tank car and occasionaly a box car or two.

On most days, after the morning commuter ru***here's a parade of Eastbound Intermodal traffic. One of the last through is a UP-CSX train, often with UP SD70s. This is followed by a coal train between ~11-11:30 a.m. and the local usually shows up going east after that. There's hourly commuter service in each direction, so the local has to work around that.
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Posted by CShaveRR on Monday, March 14, 2005 3:27 PM
Lumber spur in LaGrange? Can't think of anything on that line between Congress Park and Hinsdale. The transloading facility in what used to be the Amstar sugar plant gets a bunch of corn-syrup tanks and sugar-carrying covered hoppers, but I doubt that the local out of Eola takes care of that.

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Posted by shrek623 on Monday, March 14, 2005 6:41 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by up829

The Pepperidge Farm bakery between Downers Grove and Westmont gets a couple covered hoppers ~4 times a week. The same local switches the Hines lumber yard in Downers Grove and may do the Gee sidings in Hinsdale & LaGrange as well. The local originates out of Eola usually around 11-12 a.m. and returns 2 - 3 hours later. Some days the loco has been turned, so it probably went to Congress Park, other times it hasn't. Motive power is often a GP38, but sometimes it runs with a GP30 still painted SF blue & yellow. The consist varies from just 2 covered hoppers to the hoppers plus 2-4 lumber flats. I believe I've also ssen a corn syrup tank car and occasionaly a box car or two.

On most days, after the morning commuter ru***here's a parade of Eastbound Intermodal traffic. One of the last through is a UP-CSX train, often with UP SD70s. This is followed by a coal train between ~11-11:30 a.m. and the local usually shows up going east after that. There's hourly commuter service in each direction, so the local has to work around that.


This job goes on the West Chicago branch first(thru Batavia) then comes back by Eola(usually around 11am) and goes to Pepperidge and Hines(rarely). It does not do the Gee sidings, they are done by a job out of Cicero.
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Posted by Green Bay Paddlers on Monday, March 14, 2005 8:59 PM
Wow... Thanks guys... This is EXACTLY what I'm looking for. I don't think the GEE lumber spur is still in LaGrange (between Stone Avenue and LaGrange Road). I think you can see where the spur used to be though... Not sure about Hinsdale.

I appreciate your info. Please keep me posted on other local deliveries. I'll go out and photograph the plant you mentioned next time I'm in town.

Thanks again,

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 8:10 AM
If you drive east of Fairview along the north side of the tracks you'll come to a great train watching spot across from the siding and the Pepperidge Farm plant on the south side of the tracks. The road is elevated with a great view.

Interesting about the local. I'm going to have to figure out why it occasionally goes to Congress Park(comes back with the loco turned). Interchange from West Chicago to the IHB???
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Posted by Green Bay Paddlers on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 8:23 PM
Thanks for the info. I'm looking forward to getting some pictures of these locals that run out of Eola and Congress Park.
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Posted by eolafan on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 8:43 PM
The old Nabisco plant (now Post) in Naperville gets serviced by a switch job out of Eola yard daily.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:13 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan

The old Nabisco plant (now Post) in Naperville gets serviced by a switch job out of Eola yard daily.


Just west of the Post plant is a large new-car receiving facility with a spur running north-south down the middle. Do you know if that's switched by BNSF out of Eola? I don't get out to Eola often but don't recall seeing auto-racks there, but UP/CNW in West Chicago always has lots of them.
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Posted by eolafan on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:19 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by up829

QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan

The old Nabisco plant (now Post) in Naperville gets serviced by a switch job out of Eola yard daily.


Just west of the Post plant is a large new-car receiving facility with a spur running north-south down the middle. Do you know if that's switched by BNSF out of Eola? I don't get out to Eola often but don't recall seeing auto-racks there, but UP/CNW in West Chicago always has lots of them.


Yes, there WAS an auto unloading facility serving the many area dealers but that yard was torn up about a year or so back and all that remains are two tracks adjacent to the Post plant. The area formerly occupied by the auto yard was used by Naperville police for a while as a driving training area but is now vacant. Interesting, BNSF had built a new building to serve as yard office about four years back and that too is now vacant! What a waste. You will seldom see what was formerly lots of auto racks in Eola yard any more, still lots of activity at Eola but no racks.
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Posted by Green Bay Paddlers on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:08 AM
How big was this "unloading facility"? Was it just the two tracks or were there more? I'm modeling the '88-'98 era so I could definitely include that.

Also - I was able to get a lot in info from the "RACETRACK" issue in TRAINS 1988 (can't remember the month). Gave me some info on the locals that ran between Eola and Cicero. Looks too that some "through" freights to Cicero would sometimes have work at Eola.

Any idea what the Congress Park yard was used for before the track equipment was stored there?

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Posted by eolafan on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 4:36 PM
Not sure exactly how many tracks in the unloading facility but my guess is about ten or so in the "north" side which funneled down to one which crossed the street then fanned out into about six or eight in the "south" side as I can best recall. Hope this helps.
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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Thursday, March 17, 2005 10:33 AM
Congress Park is the interchange point with the IHB so I would think that the yard would serve in that function.
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Posted by DPD1 on Sunday, March 20, 2005 2:13 PM
I vaguely recall some sort of furniture factory or something, across from the Naperville station. It was your typical DPM kit type of building. I haven't been there for years, so I have no idea if it's still there. I just remember cars sitting on a siding there around those years, or maybe a little earlier.

Of course you'll want the EJ&E connection too. :-)

I recall the switcher crews coming out of Eola to work the auto place previously mentioned.

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Posted by eolafan on Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:28 PM
Dave, yes, the old Kroehler furniture factory is still there (right accross from the Naperville Metra/Amtrak station) but it is now all condominiums and stores and restaurants, etc. and has no siding. And, yes, the connection from EJ&E to BNSF is still very much alive and doing lots of business since the UP and CN now use the J to get around Chicago and its busy yards. We see the J come down into Eola yard every day and sometimes two or three times a day. It is a real site to see the J power come up "the hill" from Eola yard to go south on the J main to Joliet with a loaded coal train and the power pulling for all it is worty to get up the hill. I would suggest anybody who can tell from their scanners that this is about to happen go up and sit at the J crossing at Liberty street (nest traffic light on Eola north of New York street) and wait for the sound (first) then the sight of two or three SD's pulling for all they are worth).
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 20, 2005 9:04 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR

Lumber spur in LaGrange? Can't think of anything on that line between Congress Park and Hinsdale. The transloading facility in what used to be the Amstar sugar plant gets a bunch of corn-syrup tanks and sugar-carrying covered hoppers, but I doubt that the local out of Eola takes care of that.


All the transloading facility traffic from the plant near congress park in brookfield is handled by BNSF's Western AVenue Yard (which you should include on your model) and I'm pretty sure, but not certain that it then gets shipped to points northwest of chicago. I have one question though...

Why is this stretch called the "racetrack"? I'm unfamiliar with the history and would love to know.
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Posted by eolafan on Monday, March 21, 2005 7:17 AM
Why is this stretch called the "racetrack"? I'm unfamiliar with the history and would love to know.


Well, this line is triple (for the most part, some short stretches actually more) tracked and it is not at all unusual to see two trains barrelling down the track in either direction in what appears to be a "race" of sorts. I have personally been on Metra trains eastbound and have "raced" another Metra train until one or the other slows for a station stop while the other keeps on going as an express train. This happens at times with freights too.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 21, 2005 7:40 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan
It is a real site to see the J power come up "the hill" from Eola yard to go south on the J main to Joliet with a loaded coal train and the power pulling for all it is worty to get up the hill. I would suggest anybody who can tell from their scanners that this is about to happen go up and sit at the J crossing at Liberty street (nest traffic light on Eola north of New York street) and wait for the sound (first) then the sight of two or three SD's pulling for all they are worth).


Does this happen at a fairly regular time? The use of J power may explain another mystery. I've wondered about light engine moves, often 2 or 3 BNSF SD70Mac's, down the racetrack probably to and from Clyde. It sounds like they're bringing the coal train in to Eola, the J takes over, and they're heading to Clyde for service, inspection, or re-assignment?
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Posted by eolafan on Monday, March 21, 2005 7:51 AM
The instances of multiple trains "racing" each other do not happen with regularity or predictability so you never really know when it might happen, but it frequently does (especially between Metra trains during the rush hours). Yes, some coal trains will come eastbound and drop their train on the running track at Eola yard and then run engines light to Cicero yard for power servicing and the train will run south to Joliet or Gary on the J with J power.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 21, 2005 8:03 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan

Why is this stretch called the "racetrack"? I'm unfamiliar with the history and would love to know.


Well, this line is triple (for the most part, some short stretches actually more) tracked and it is not at all unusual to see two trains barrelling down the track in either direction in what appears to be a "race" of sorts. I have personally been on Metra trains eastbound and have "raced" another Metra train until one or the other slows for a station stop while the other keeps on going as an express train. This happens at times with freights too.


I'm not sure of the origin of the term either, but it dates back quite a long time. The line splits after Aurora so everything on the Q out of Chicago goes over this section of the line. In the heyday of passenger service, that meant all the Zephyrs, all the GN and NP transcon passenger trains, plus the commuter trafns. Clyde was the Q's main Chicago yard, so everthing into and out of there as well. This segment has been CTC territory and reverse signaled with a high speed limits for as long as I can remember. The CTC board was located in a freight house at Clyde..
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Posted by CShaveRR on Monday, March 21, 2005 8:26 AM
I believe that the original term (probably from Trains in the Morgan era) was the "Triple-track Raceway." Three tracks, controlled by CTC so that trains can run in either direction on any track, was novel back then. The maximum speed (65), though not spectacular, seemed to be hit and maintained quite regularly. There are long straightaway stretches on this line--if it weren't for some of the "vertical curves" you could see from Berwin clear out to Clarendon Hills! Even now, when the line isn't the busiest stretch of three-track main line in the Chicago area, it has a character that distinguishes it from its counterpart to the north. The name fits!

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Posted by DPD1 on Monday, March 21, 2005 2:57 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by up829

QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan
It is a real site to see the J power come up "the hill" from Eola yard to go south on the J main to Joliet with a loaded coal train and the power pulling for all it is worty to get up the hill. I would suggest anybody who can tell from their scanners that this is about to happen go up and sit at the J crossing at Liberty street (nest traffic light on Eola north of New York street) and wait for the sound (first) then the sight of two or three SD's pulling for all they are worth).


Does this happen at a fairly regular time? The use of J power may explain another mystery. I've wondered about light engine moves, often 2 or 3 BNSF SD70Mac's, down the racetrack probably to and from Clyde. It sounds like they're bringing the coal train in to Eola, the J takes over, and they're heading to Clyde for service, inspection, or re-assignment?




Yeah, these coal moves have been going on there for decades... All the way back to when they were still using the center cabs: http://eje.railfan.net/photos_eley/eley04.jpg

I have info about trains interchanged there and other places on the J on my site below. Recently there's also been winter taconite trains interchanged there bound for USS Gary as well. Which ironically sometimes use the same old rib side coal cars that use to be used on the coal trains... Only half filled.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 8:34 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR

I believe that the original term (probably from Trains in the Morgan era) was the "Triple-track Raceway." Three tracks, controlled by CTC so that trains can run in either direction on any track, was novel back then. The maximum speed (65), though not spectacular, seemed to be hit and maintained quite regularly. There are long straightaway stretches on this line--if it weren't for some of the "vertical curves" you could see from Berwin clear out to Clarendon Hills! Even now, when the line isn't the busiest stretch of three-track main line in the Chicago area, it has a character that distinguishes it from its counterpart to the north. The name fits!


yo thanks, I grew up along this line and have been awed with it since age 4. I have a few question about western avenue yard, I guess this yard serves industries from the county line near western springs to all points west, including a lumber mill and sugar facility along the I and M canal near western avenue and blue island. ANybody know any history of this yard and the industry it serves. There is also a shortline, whose name I forget , I think it is the "central illinois railway", that serves the industries around the pilsen area and brings cars to and from industry to western avenue. ANyway, just wanted to keep this topic going. Anybody who used to work this line/yard, or knows the history, let me know! I've got a bit too much sentiment for it.
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Posted by BNSF@NARS on Saturday, November 6, 2010 2:35 PM

The Unloading Facility Had Approximately Several Tracks In The Northern Section Of The Small Branch Line Which Is Currently Still Operational (The Line Not The Unloading Facility) Which The Facility Was Removed In 2006 Or Something Like That And Relocated To The Logistics Park Chicago In Elwood, If You Look Up The Branch Line In Naperville Right Past The Route 59 Metra On Google Earth And Use The Clock Button On The Top Of The Screen To Zoom Back Some Years You Can See The Unloading Facility And Now It Is Abandoned And On Google Earth Now It Looked Like Nothing Was There Although In The South Section Of The Branch You Can See 3 Pieces Of Track Side By Side On A Road Which Is All That Is Left Of It. Now They Only Serve A Kraft Foods, A Lumber Yard And A Grain Company Or Something And Possibly A Warehouse Although I Am Not Sure If They Still Use Rail Service Anymore

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Posted by billio on Sunday, November 7, 2010 7:46 AM

Is the old CB&Q yard at Clyde (Cicero) still there?  And does it count?

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Posted by snagletooth on Monday, November 8, 2010 3:15 AM

Clyde is still there (in Cicero), but is used primarily as an inter-modal yard. They also use the old arr/dep tracks for staging run-through's. The last time I was in Clyde ( I used to drive, hauled containers) the hump was still active, but the bowl was pruned down to a handful of tracks. from what I understand, it only classified local traffic (and the occasional through train that needed a rearrangement before proceeding), no road traffic originated or terminated there, except for inter-modals. Cosco yd., adjacent to Global I on Western Ave. was also still very much in use. Most of the traffic from Cosco was local traffic. their is a small network of former Q branch lines going south from Cosco. I think Cosco picked up some of the old ATSF local work after the merger, as they had branches in close proximity near Kedzie or California Ave's, IIRC.

I stopped driving about 8 years, Im sure much has changed since then.

Near the "Naperville auto" Yd. that served the auto distribution place and the Nabisco plant, their was also a plastics company right on Rt 59 near the bridge. it only recived a couple cars a day, but since their was no storage facility, it always has 8-10 cars hanging around on the lead, as well as a half dozen sitting in the yard tracks (would make for some interesting switching on a modal railroad, as cars would have to be spotted properly, oldest first, to keep down demurage charges). on the opposite end of the yard, BNSF also served a Wherhuaser (sic) Distribution facility (near Rt 34) in recent years.It opened up shortly after the lumber dist. near the Naperville station (in town, not rt 59) closed.

I worked for a couple years for a roofing dist across the tracks from the Naperville auto yard, and the old asphalt plant, the roofing distributor I worked for, and a small machine shop all had rail spurs buried in the weeds. They obviously got cut from the main many moons before any time I can remember ( I grew up in Aurora). In between rt. 59 and the J bridge, there is a company on the south side (put in abt 10 years ago, maybe) that has a rail spur running into the warehouse. What it does, i don't know. I'm not sure if they ever even received any shipments, never seen a local stop there.

 

 

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Monday, November 8, 2010 10:07 AM

The hump at Clyde has been leveled and it appears to serve strictly as an intermodal facility.

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Posted by BrianBobcat on Monday, April 26, 2021 12:00 PM

snagletooth

Near the "Naperville auto" Yd. that served the auto distribution place and the Nabisco plant, their was also a plastics company right on Rt 59 near the bridge. it only recived a couple cars a day, but since their was no storage facility, it always has 8-10 cars hanging around on the lead, as well as a half dozen sitting in the yard tracks (would make for some interesting switching on a modal railroad, as cars would have to be spotted properly, oldest first, to keep down demurage charges). on the opposite end of the yard, BNSF also served a Wherhuaser (sic) Distribution facility (near Rt 34) in recent years.It opened up shortly after the lumber dist. near the Naperville station (in town, not rt 59) closed.

I worked for a couple years for a roofing dist across the tracks from the Naperville auto yard, and the old asphalt plant, the roofing distributor I worked for, and a small machine shop all had rail spurs buried in the weeds. They obviously got cut from the main many moons before any time I can remember ( I grew up in Aurora). In between rt. 59 and the J bridge, there is a company on the south side (put in abt 10 years ago, maybe) that has a rail spur running into the warehouse. What it does, i don't know. I'm not sure if they ever even received any shipments, never seen a local stop there.

 

Snagletooth, the facility you're talking about on the south side is an International Paper plant built between 1993 and 1998.  Google Earth does show that they have had several box cars, but I'm guessing they keep the cars indoors and only receive what fits inside as I don't see any switcher or car mover on their track. The March 2003 imagry shows three box cars on their spur.  In 2018, they repaved the driveway that crosses the tracks, and maintained the rails, so it must still be used.

As for businesses on the north side, C.H. Hanson used to have a rail spur connected to the mainline, but that looks like it was removed in early-to-min 2008.  The 84 lumber yard still gets rail shipments it looks like.  That Weyerhaeuser lumber distributor was open from 1998 until late 2015, but has been vacant ever since.

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