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G. SpanWhile I have heard all the other acronyms for "OS," we should recall its earliest use back in the days of Block (Station) Operators and Timetable and Train Order Territory. Pneumatic and Armstrong levers mechanically linked to semaphore signals and all that romantic nonsense ruled the day. The dispatcher contacts the operator (telegraphically though later by company phone line) and has the operator copy orders for the next Westbound. "Copy 6 West." The operator copies the orders, repeats them back, sets the signal to Pick Up Orders and fixes the orders in a stand or hand held hoop for delivery. When the train picks up the orders, the operator notes the time and reports to the dispatcher Train Such and Such OS Station Whatever at 12:01 am. The operator is reporting. "Orders and Signals." At least back then... G. Span
I've also heard the term, in a more modern, CTC environment, to mean "Over Switch." As someone noted, you'll hear dispatchers talking with those in the field about the "OS." They're talking about the section of track, often where there is a controlled switch, between the opposing absolute signals of the control point.
The old pre-GCOR rule books (my oldest is a CB&Q 1900) authorized OS as the telegraph call for a train report. I'm in the On Sheet group as the original source for OS.
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As one who started as a Train Order Operator 53 years ago - OS = On Sheet. Both the Operators Blocksheet and the Dispatchers Trainsheet.
Arrival was when the train STOPPED at the station, DEPARTURE was when the markers of the train cleared the station, if the train did not stop at the station then the OS was when the markers cleared the station.
Those definations of OS became invalid when CADS began keeping movement records. All the logic of CADS is predicated on when a train initially occupys a track segment as it is defined in the interworkings of the CADS hardware/software. While the internal CADS records maintain their records to the second of precision, the displayed CADS records are shown in the minute of occurrence. The displayed CADS records are shown for Control Points only. The system I worked with if a Control Point shows two times, that is a indication that the train crossed over from one main track to another main track - although there is no indication on those displayed records of which track is which - that information is retained in the CADS signal log that lists every happening at every Control Point that the CADS is connected to - all times in the signal log are maintained at the second level. Every action attempted at a control point is retained in the signal log. The attempt to line a signal, taking the signal down, when the timer has run and then permits the signal to be relined to another route. When a train or a anomaly activates a individual track circuit. All the things that have to take place and you were afraid to ask about.
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Excerpt from An Automated Train Dispatching System (for SEPTA) (1994) https://vdocuments.site/ieee-ieeeasme-joint-railroad-conference-chicago-il-usa-22-24-march-1994-58c4963d2c71d.html The Automated Train Dispatching System (ATDS) is a computerized fault tolerant train schedule tracking and status information system…This system replaces existing manual paper train sheets used to record and monitor train movements with electronic based media….Train Dispatchers use a manual recording system to track train passing times at towers, control points or other "On Sheet" locations (on sheet or "OS" refers to the actual train passing time recorded on paper by the Tower Operator.) Model boards in each of the towers show by light indications the position (by block signal) of each train on the system. At present, the system lacks an automatic train identification system. As a result, once a Tower Operator sees an indication on the model board he must note the time of day, consult the schedule, decide the train number or designation and record this information on a "Train Sheet". The most common method of communication between the towers and the RROC is the telephone. Recording procedures and communication mechanisms now in use diminish the decision making opportunities of tower operators and train dispatchers since they spend more time processing paperwork than in monitoring and controlling trains… A sampling of the present manual paperwork process that the new system will "automate" includes: The Train Sheet - "Record of Train Movement" - is the master or base document of the system. It contains the time a train arrives and departs by control points, the reasons for delays, unusual occurrences, track number, weather conditions, engine number, consist information and lists any extra movements, i.e., freight trains, track cars, etc. The average train sheet has over 2,200 hand entries and is about 1.25 meters wide by 5 meters long. Form "Ds" are "Orders" issued to direct train movements, whenever exceptions to normal operation occur. It may be necessary to send the Form Ds to a certain train or group of trains. Other important forms are: BDA/BDR (Blocking Device Applied/Removed) - Blocking device applied is a device placed on the model board to prevent a Tower Operator from throwing a particular switch to remove a BDA. C&S 39 - Takes the crossing protection system "Out of Service." The engineers (train operators) must then follow certain speed instructions… TPR (Traction Power Request) - a form used to remove the traction power (11Kv and 22Kv). Train Station Line Up - lists the order in which trains come into a station… A summary of salient problems with the present manual system follows: Time Requirements - The system is time consuming as many phone calls are required. Accuracy depends on repeating and recording verbal messages and correction if necessary. Labor Requirements - The manual operation is labor intensive. Tower Operators, Dispatchers and Delay Clerks handwrite in thousands of entries each day. Information Accuracy - Thousands of verbal messages sometimes result in errors. Efficiency of Communications - Calls are passed along the line of towers for all trains, freights, track cars, and test vehicles, etc. Level of Complexity - The system is cumbersome as there is a lot of paper everywhere, train sheets, form Ds, signal out notices, etc. There are over twenty-five forms in all. Timeliness of Data - Entries are not always current. Sometimes they are 30 to 45 minutes old. Dispatchers call tower operators with train arrival and departure times at selected intervals. These phone calls may be delayed. Dissemination of Information - Transmission of information is slow especially in emergencies when it is needed the most. Phone traffic peaks during an emergency. This makes it even more difficult to update train times while addressing the emergency.
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NDG " OS ! " http://www.shorpy.com/node/23196?size=_original#caption Thank You.
First time I have seen a Seth Thomas clock with all the minutes identified on the dial.
BaltACDFirst time I have seen a Seth Thomas clock with all the minutes identified on the dial.
That is not your normal Seth Thomas clock. I will find some regulator time-service references later. Note that it does NOT appear to be one of those fancy electronically-synchronized time systems because the small panel at the bottom shows the deviation as for a ship chronometer, but updated for quick reference as needed.
You may not have seen Seth Thomas 23j railroad watches, either. They were some of the very best.
BaltACD NDG " OS ! " http://www.shorpy.com/node/23196?size=_original#caption Thank You.
NDGAt Time Change locations, CPR used one long case clock with TWO T-W-O 2 Hour Hands. One hand RED, the other Gun Metal BLUE.
Railroad crews operating across time zones sometimes used the same approach on their watches - I have seen the hour hands in question called 'Fort Wayne' and sometimes the 'red' hand is gold instead of painted (which goes better with the heat bluing finish on the other hands).
One significant reason for this is that railroaders cannot open or set their own watches (only time service people can do that) and this would apply even to a 'jump hour' control like the one on some Accutrons. So the watch would be set so the hands matched the 'earlier' and 'later' zones and the crew would remember which was which for reference.
I have seen a small number of railroad-approved wristwatches with these (B.W.Raymonds and one Swiss Ball TrainMaster that might have been a custom retrofit) but they are rare. This likely coincides with the great dieback of long-distance passenger trains coinciding with the (gradual) replacement of approved pocket watches with their wrist equivalents.
I own a former B&O Station Seth Thomas clock that I got from my Father. It has a normal clock face. I also got his railroad Boulava Railroad Accutron that had two hour hands. The Accutron my parents got for me for my 21st birthday only has a single hour hand.
When I was a Train Order Operator, every day at Noon Eastern Time a signal was sent over the telegraph wire from the Naval Observatory that the station colock was to be checked with and any deviation noted.
Current day, CSX operates on CSX Time - no matter the civilian time zones that may be involved. CSX Time is Eastern - Standard or Daylight as may be in effect at any time. I suspect, in today's computerized world, other carriers are operating on a single time, despite what the civilian time may be.
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