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Weather And Time To Build A Train

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Weather And Time To Build A Train
Posted by caldreamer on Thursday, March 10, 2022 4:30 PM

Would the weather affect how long it would take to build a train?  I am thinking about how heavy rain, snow, sleet, ice, etc would affect the time to build a train to get it ready to leave its originating yard.

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Posted by SD70Dude on Thursday, March 10, 2022 4:34 PM

Yes.  Cold means the air brakes take longer to charge up, and they don't work as well.  Blowing snow or rain means poor visibility, so a lot of moves will go slower.  All of this means poorer braking performance, which also means moving more slowly.  And snow means you have to sweep out switches, sometimes between every move in a heavy storm.  

Snow on the rails also means cars don't roll as well when they are kicked.  

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Posted by caldreamer on Thursday, March 10, 2022 9:41 PM

Thank you SD70Dude, that is what I needed to know.  I am writing a computer system far more realistic then anything currently available.  It will include a weather module which will be using the actual daily weather for the area that I model.

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Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, March 10, 2022 10:49 PM

caldreamer
Thank you SD70Dude, that is what I needed to know.  I am writing a computer system far more realistic then anything currently available.  It will include a weather module which will be using the actual daily weather for the area that I model.

Don't overlook the wind.  Needless to say most yards are constructed with the understanding of what direction the prevailing wind comes from.  When the wind comes from other than the normal direction and if the wind speed is elevated - it can blow free rolling cars to positions on tracks that wasn't intended.

Switch cars over the hump and watch the wind blow them from the bowl tracks back to the leads.

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Posted by caldreamer on Friday, March 11, 2022 8:42 PM

BaltACD:

I never thought about the wind blowing a car down the tracks, but since it can blow a car on its side, It could blow one down the tracks.  At what wind speed would you say that a car could get blown down the tracks?

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Posted by tree68 on Friday, March 11, 2022 8:53 PM

Carl (cshaverr) spoke of having cars blown back up the hump.

I suspect the worst are the bulkhead cars, especially empty, as they have two very nice sails.  Boxcars, with their square ends, would also catch the wind very well.

A man can start a free rolling car in motion on level track.  Add any sort of a downgrade and watch out.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Saturday, March 12, 2022 6:16 PM

I remember reading  about a UP train going west downhill along the Columbia river.  The engineer had the locos in run 8 and could not maintain speed due  to a head wind..

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Posted by jeffhergert on Sunday, March 13, 2022 7:25 PM

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I remember reading  about a UP train going west downhill along the Columbia river.  The engineer had the locos in run 8 and could not maintain speed due  to a head wind..

 

I've had that before.  Before fuel conservation rules, having to pull a train of autoracks downhill in notch 8 and not making maximum speed.

During windy days on an empty coal hopper train speed will vary about 5 mph depending where you are.  Out in the open between towns the wind will slow you down a bit.  You go through a town or a more wooded area and speed picks up by about 5 mph.  Back into the open and it drops down again.

One very cold night this winter they ended up cutting off about 30 cars of the rear of my train.  It originated at my home terminal.  It was DPed, but because of the cold we couldn't get brake pipe leakage legal. Either 60 cfm or 5 psi per minute.  They at the end, closing anglecocks on so many cars and redoing the leakage test.  It took about 5 tries and ultimately cutting off those 30 cars to just get legal.

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Saturday, March 19, 2022 1:29 PM

     In addition to seeing the effects of wind on the speed of a train, can you feel the effects of the wind, or is the weight of the traintoo heavy to make a difference?

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, March 19, 2022 1:55 PM

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     In addition to seeing the effects of wind on the speed of a train, can you feel the effects of the wind, or is the weight of the traintoo heavy to make a difference?

Wind at sufficient velocities can be felt no matter the size of the train - the surface area and car characteristics act as a sail when the wind picks up - the normal 'couple of miles per hour' winds won't be felt, however, when the velocity starts to get above 10 MPH sustained, with higher gusts, it can be felt.

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Posted by diningcar on Saturday, March 19, 2022 1:57 PM

Wind may aid speed also, especially when wind hits from the side at about a 30 degree angle. On the Santa Fe 202 mile 'racetrack' from La Junta to Dodge City passenger trains were allowed 90 MPH. Any appendages protruding from the car body will catch the prevailing wind from the SW. Some were clocked to exceed 100 MPH when the train was running late. 

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