PsychotWe've done Atlantic crossings a few times with Cunard (QE2 then QM2) and we're not dress-up types either. We bring formal clothing to eat in our assigned dining room a few times, but the QM2 has lots of other options, and we avail ourselves of those the rest of the time.
Well that is good news, I'm going to call and ask because their posted restrictions state you need to wear a tux or your restricted from specific decks in the evening as well as from entry to the formal dining room. It read very "Soup Nazi" like. Maybe they are more flexible. My interest in Cunard is they have the only ships engineered for a Transatlantic Crossing so it should still be comfortable in bad weather.
Paul MilenkovicNah! I am wrong in my inference and my fellow commenters can set me straight.
So on YouTube all you have to do is click on the posters link and he will respond as to the scenario. It would have been faster and provide more immediate clarity to you. Or you could search for his comments in the thread by his posted tag.
BaltACD Should have given them a partially loaded tanker to get the REAL feeling of slosh effect.
Should have given them a partially loaded tanker to get the REAL feeling of slosh effect.
HERE! HERE!
I hualed a 53ft boxes, not tankers. But the worst loads I had were liquid loads in 400 gallon totes, only loaded with 300 gallons per totes. Northern NJ to IA or WI, rocking and rolling with the load sloshing around inside two dozen totes in the trailer.
I learned real quick how far the surge could push a rig after a sudden stop. Come to a stop, surge back and then slam forward a couple of feet is a real eye-opener. Then you feel the rig rocking back and forth as the load settles back down.
And when you start rolling again you have to time your shifting to stay in time with the load's sloshing to avoid beating yourself to death with out of synch, competing waves sloshing around behind you.
BaltACD mvlandsw ... I have some pictures that I could send you but the PM doesn't seem to be working. Some of them were published in the book "Sunburst Trail to Chicago". Mark Vinski It appears that Kalmbach IT has struck again. When attempting to 'create a conversation' from a person's profile - all the 'Start Conversation' button does is create a blank, ever downward expanding drop down box.
mvlandsw ... I have some pictures that I could send you but the PM doesn't seem to be working. Some of them were published in the book "Sunburst Trail to Chicago". Mark Vinski
I have some pictures that I could send you but the PM doesn't seem to be working. Some of them were published in the book "Sunburst Trail to Chicago".
Mark Vinski
It appears that Kalmbach IT has struck again. When attempting to 'create a conversation' from a person's profile - all the 'Start Conversation' button does is create a blank, ever downward expanding drop down box.
Paul Milenkovic 54light15 That woman struck me as the kind of person who just had to stick her hands in the lion's cage at the zoo. "I didn't think he'd bite me" she says as she enacts a lawsuit against the zoo. Do you think, for a moment, that, judging by the body language and gestures of both people appearing in the video, that the woman who placed her hands on the locomotive was a Special Needs adult? Furthermore, is it plausible that the man who follows her and gently scolds her for her actions is her caretaker, whether a family member or perhaps a staff member of a residential care facility? And by gendly scolding, is it even remotely plausible that the hand gestures made by the man were to communicate to the woman, "Don't do this"? C'mon people, look at this woman's affect and also her gait. Look at her reaction of astonishment at the noise (brake reservoir popoff valve?). And look closely at the hand gestures made by the man. Do people think that it could be plausibly possible that the woman had wandered off and the man was following her to keep her safe? And that the man didn't grab her to keep her away from the train because caring for an adult, and I am hypothesizing and guessing here, with the reasoning capability along with impulsivity of a child, that the protocol for caring for such a person does not involve restraining them except in an absolute emergency. Before passing judgment on the people in the video, does anyone agree that it could be remotely possible what I describe. Nah! I am wrong in my inference and my fellow commenters can set me straight.
54light15 That woman struck me as the kind of person who just had to stick her hands in the lion's cage at the zoo. "I didn't think he'd bite me" she says as she enacts a lawsuit against the zoo.
That woman struck me as the kind of person who just had to stick her hands in the lion's cage at the zoo. "I didn't think he'd bite me" she says as she enacts a lawsuit against the zoo.
Do you think, for a moment, that, judging by the body language and gestures of both people appearing in the video, that the woman who placed her hands on the locomotive was a Special Needs adult?
Furthermore, is it plausible that the man who follows her and gently scolds her for her actions is her caretaker, whether a family member or perhaps a staff member of a residential care facility? And by gendly scolding, is it even remotely plausible that the hand gestures made by the man were to communicate to the woman, "Don't do this"?
C'mon people, look at this woman's affect and also her gait. Look at her reaction of astonishment at the noise (brake reservoir popoff valve?). And look closely at the hand gestures made by the man.
Do people think that it could be plausibly possible that the woman had wandered off and the man was following her to keep her safe? And that the man didn't grab her to keep her away from the train because caring for an adult, and I am hypothesizing and guessing here, with the reasoning capability along with impulsivity of a child, that the protocol for caring for such a person does not involve restraining them except in an absolute emergency.
Before passing judgment on the people in the video, does anyone agree that it could be remotely possible what I describe.
Nah! I am wrong in my inference and my fellow commenters can set me straight.
Paul, you and Electroliner and Tree àre correct. She's almost certainly special needs. She might be on the low end of functioning on the spectrum disorder and likely severe intellectual disability.
mvlandsw... I have some pictures that I could send you but the PM doesn't seem to be working. Some of them were published in the book "Sunburst Trail to Chicago". Mark Vinski
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
BaltACD I worked Train Order Operator positions on the B&O's St.Louis, Pittsburgh and Akron-Chicago Divisions. The one position where the POWER required to move tonnage and efforts of the tonnage to resist movement was at Bakerstown on the P&W Subdivision. The station was located about 20 car lengths from the crest of the 10 mile grade from Elfinwild to Bakerstown Westbound and 2 miles from Downieville to Bakerstown Eastbound. On a still night you could hear the engines working upgrade before the train activated the bell circuit. When the train came into view, it seemed to take forever for it to traverse the half mile or so of sight line to the station - all units in the 8th notch moving at minimum continuous speed - sand being used, dust swirling - the slow rythmic clicking of the jointed rail joints on #1 track as the train starts past - you can hear the loaded cars creaking on their springs and the ties creaking in their cribs - soon, after the engines go over the crest of the grade you can gradually hear the clicking sound faster and faster as the train begins to pick up speed going down the other side of the grade. Upon seeing the markers of the caboose approaching you get ready to line the manned rear end helper through the crossovers and back down the grade to Pittsburgh to get another coal train. You FEEL and HEAR power of machine and tonnage versus grade. All the sound and fury was being generated by EMD power with 567's. I regret that I never got to be there to witness 21st Century AC power loaded to maximum tonnage perform those same feats of machine against tonnage. Chessie System single tracked and CTC'd the P&W Sub in the 70's and sold the former Buffalo Division (tracks North of Eidenau) to form the Buffalo & Pittsburgh RR regional and then in the early 2000's CSX sold (or leased) from Glenwood Jct to Allison Park to the Allegheny Valley and then subsequently sold the line from Allison Park to New Castle to the B&P. Supposedly the AVR and B&P have an agreement to operate trains between Glenwood Jct and New Castle or points North of Eidenau.
I worked Train Order Operator positions on the B&O's St.Louis, Pittsburgh and Akron-Chicago Divisions. The one position where the POWER required to move tonnage and efforts of the tonnage to resist movement was at Bakerstown on the P&W Subdivision. The station was located about 20 car lengths from the crest of the 10 mile grade from Elfinwild to Bakerstown Westbound and 2 miles from Downieville to Bakerstown Eastbound. On a still night you could hear the engines working upgrade before the train activated the bell circuit. When the train came into view, it seemed to take forever for it to traverse the half mile or so of sight line to the station - all units in the 8th notch moving at minimum continuous speed - sand being used, dust swirling - the slow rythmic clicking of the jointed rail joints on #1 track as the train starts past - you can hear the loaded cars creaking on their springs and the ties creaking in their cribs - soon, after the engines go over the crest of the grade you can gradually hear the clicking sound faster and faster as the train begins to pick up speed going down the other side of the grade. Upon seeing the markers of the caboose approaching you get ready to line the manned rear end helper through the crossovers and back down the grade to Pittsburgh to get another coal train.
You FEEL and HEAR power of machine and tonnage versus grade.
All the sound and fury was being generated by EMD power with 567's. I regret that I never got to be there to witness 21st Century AC power loaded to maximum tonnage perform those same feats of machine against tonnage. Chessie System single tracked and CTC'd the P&W Sub in the 70's and sold the former Buffalo Division (tracks North of Eidenau) to form the Buffalo & Pittsburgh RR regional and then in the early 2000's CSX sold (or leased) from Glenwood Jct to Allison Park to the Allegheny Valley and then subsequently sold the line from Allison Park to New Castle to the B&P. Supposedly the AVR and B&P have an agreement to operate trains between Glenwood Jct and New Castle or points North of Eidenau.
I spent many an hour railfanning and later working as a brakeman and then engineer on Bakerstown hill. I worked helpers, locals, and BR&P trains out of Glenwood and through trains from Cumberland and Connellsville to New Castle and Butler.
By the time I worked there the operators had the helper crews throwing the switches for their own moves.
For a time the AVR and the B&P would interchange cars at the Bakerstown siding but I think they do that at Evans City now. Bakerstown could only hold about 40 cars and it's not a good place to leave cars unattended, being at the crest of a steep grade in both directions.
The Bakerstown station was slated to be moved to a location next to Gibsonia road crossing but it could not be moved in one piece as planned. It was disassembled and moved but never reassembled. It is probably still on its new site in the form of termite droppings.
It seemed to me that CSX should have kept trackage rights over the P&W when they sold it off. That could have helped to keep traffic moving when the P&LE had problems. It was used that way many times when they still owned it. Keeping crews qualified would have been troublesome though.
Paul MilenkovicDo you think, for a moment, that, judging by the body language and gestures of both people appearing in the video, that the woman who placed her hands on the locomotive was a Special Needs adult?
That was my immediate impression, Paul.
Still in training.
Another thing, we aren't your typical cruise ship people. We don't go to the shows, casino or other shipboard activities. We think of the ship as a hotel that goes to several interesting cities that we get a taste of, yet don't have to worry about packing and unpacking every day and worrying about the logistics of travel between them.
Psychot CMStPnP Backshop We could never do Cunard since we're not the dress up types. Yeah that is what is holding me back. Mandatory wear of a Tux three nights of the cruise..............otherwise you can eat in the snack bar. Screw that. I'm paying above market prices and thats my only option? We've done Atlantic crossings a few times with Cunard (QE2 then QM2) and we're not dress-up types either. We bring formal clothing to eat in our assigned dining room a few times, but the QM2 has lots of other options, and we avail ourselves of those the rest of the time.
CMStPnP Backshop We could never do Cunard since we're not the dress up types. Yeah that is what is holding me back. Mandatory wear of a Tux three nights of the cruise..............otherwise you can eat in the snack bar. Screw that. I'm paying above market prices and thats my only option?
Backshop We could never do Cunard since we're not the dress up types.
Yeah that is what is holding me back. Mandatory wear of a Tux three nights of the cruise..............otherwise you can eat in the snack bar. Screw that.
I'm paying above market prices and thats my only option?
We've done Atlantic crossings a few times with Cunard (QE2 then QM2) and we're not dress-up types either. We bring formal clothing to eat in our assigned dining room a few times, but the QM2 has lots of other options, and we avail ourselves of those the rest of the time.
Formal - does that mean a collard shirt, pants with a belt and hard soled leather shoes? [/sarcasm]
Since I have been retired, tee shirt & running shorts is Summer attire and sweats are Winter attire, both with athletic shoes and socks.
We much prefer the Norwegian "Free Style" where you eat what you want, where you want, when you want, with who you want options.
My hubby watched it and said more than likely was a special needs adult possibly one with a mental handicap or maybe an autism disorder. He works with them on a daily basis at his job.
She more than likely likes the feel of lower frequency vibrations as a touch sensation.
tree68That was actually my first thought. We see a lot of special needs folks on our trains. One regular (who rides along with his unbelievably understanding father) probably functions at the level of a three year old. But he loves trains. Always good for a high five, and he even recongnized me in a parking lot far from the railroad one day.
Larry, I totally agree. We have them (special needs people) on our old interurban and CTA cars and when they get to blow the whistle or horn, it warms your heart to see the joy they get. Had a few who didn't want to stop but thats ok. It can totally make your day when you see the pleasure they show and their parents or caregivers are so happy to see them enjoying themselves.
But back to power, when I was working downtown and commuting, the freight trains would run through the station at full throttle and the power was a very sensual experience, felt through ones feet, skin, and heard loud and clear. However, a slightly different experience was using the toilet in an E-8 running at 70+ mph. The facility is near the rear 567 V-12 putting out all its got. The noise tells you not to take your time. But the beast has a very powerful sound and sensation. A different kind of "thrill ride."
That was actually my first thought.
We see a lot of special needs folks on our trains. One regular (who rides along with his unbelievably understanding father) probably functions at the level of a three year old. But he loves trains. Always good for a high five, and he even recongnized me in a parking lot far from the railroad one day.
Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it...
If GM "killed the electric car", what am I doing standing next to an EV-1, a half a block from the WSOR tracks?
The tanker trailer holds 6000 gallons of water but around 2K gallons of acid for a load. So it was a one third full barrel of liquid moving front to back. It is our preferred load for training our new tanker haulers as if they can haul that safely they can manage anything we do haul. Pure sulfuric acid is around 25 pounds a gallon.
A bit smaller but still impressive, a trio of IHB SW7's at Hammond dragging a trainload of coils westbound.
It might help if Shadow could use punctuation and reasonable syntax.
Feeling the power: yesterday Pat and I were headed into downtown Elmhurst, when a westbound stack train was on its way out of Proviso. For lack of seeing model designations, let me just say that there were four GEs and one EMD on the point (No DP at all, surprisingly). When he passed us, they were pulling, in that notch where you feel them as well as hear them (even in the car), but I hoped that they would really sound off when they opened up. We weren't there for that, but when the hind end of that train went by, he was moving! Must have put on a good show for somebody west of us.
Carl
Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!)
CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM)
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Shadow the Cats ownerI had fun yesterday with the local community colleges CDL students. A couple of them are getting tanker hazmat endorsement and needed to feel the surge of the tank in reality. So myself and our top tank driver took a fully loaded sulfuric acid tank to the school. He the students weren't happy about getting hammered by 50k pounds of liquid moving forward and backwards on them. Or as their own instructor called it a real eye opener. Next week they get the entire class gets shocked into reality why well the instructor who took it over is one of my hubbies friends and he is giving them the speech that my husband always gave his trainees. Our as it's called the ice bucket from 80k feet over the recruiting department promises.
Next week they get the entire class gets shocked into reality why well the instructor who took it over is one of my hubbies friends and he is giving them the speech that my husband always gave his trainees.
Our as it's called the ice bucket from 80k feet over the recruiting department promises.
I had fun yesterday with the local community colleges CDL students. A couple of them are getting tanker hazmat endorsement and needed to feel the surge of the tank in reality. So myself and our top tank driver took a fully loaded sulfuric acid tank to the school. He the students weren't happy about getting hammered by 50k pounds of liquid moving forward and backwards on them. Or as their own instructor called it a real eye opener.
adkrr64My wife and I have never been on a cruise, but are thinking of a US river cruise for a starter trip. They run them on the Mississippi and Columbia rivers, among others. Anyone here ever take one and what did you think?
Having lived in New Orleans, my wife and I took those cruises. They were very nice. One advantage is that if you are prone to seasickness, the cruises are very smooth.
You can also stop at some great Civil War sites if you're interested.
The one we enjoyed the most was a Big Band cruise on the Mississippi. Great entertainment each night!
These are all smaller ships and give you a more personal "feel".
York1 John
My wife and I have never been on a cruise, but are thinking of a US river cruise for a starter trip. They run them on the Mississippi and Columbia rivers, among others. Anyone here ever take one and what did you think?
Flintlock76 York1 While looking for this picture -- Titanic and modern cruise ship: Then found this one: Wow. I think I'd rather travel on an "Olympic" class ship than one of those mega-cruisers. Those things are TOO damn big. They make me nervous. Now the "Enterprise-D" might make a cool ride!
York1 While looking for this picture -- Titanic and modern cruise ship: Then found this one:
While looking for this picture -- Titanic and modern cruise ship:
Then found this one:
Wow. I think I'd rather travel on an "Olympic" class ship than one of those mega-cruisers. Those things are TOO damn big. They make me nervous.
Now the "Enterprise-D" might make a cool ride!
SALfan1 BaltACD Same thing along the Savannah River in downtown historic Savannah. Ships navigating to or from their docks. My wife and I were living in my hometown (near Savannah) during the first Gulf War. We happened to be down by the river in Savannah on the day the USNS Bellatrix, a large roll-on roll-off cargo ship, sailed out of port loaded with Army equipment headed for the Middle East. The streets on top of the bluff are probably 20 feet or more above the surface of the water, and that ship looked iike a very long, very tall gray wall motoring down the river. Earlier we had visited Newport News, VA with someone who had access to the Navy base and drove past an aircraft carrier at the dock or near it - that beast was IMMENSE!! Hard to believe something that huge could look tiny out in the ocean, but I'm sure it does.
BaltACD Same thing along the Savannah River in downtown historic Savannah. Ships navigating to or from their docks.
Same thing along the Savannah River in downtown historic Savannah. Ships navigating to or from their docks.
My wife and I were living in my hometown (near Savannah) during the first Gulf War. We happened to be down by the river in Savannah on the day the USNS Bellatrix, a large roll-on roll-off cargo ship, sailed out of port loaded with Army equipment headed for the Middle East. The streets on top of the bluff are probably 20 feet or more above the surface of the water, and that ship looked iike a very long, very tall gray wall motoring down the river.
Earlier we had visited Newport News, VA with someone who had access to the Navy base and drove past an aircraft carrier at the dock or near it - that beast was IMMENSE!! Hard to believe something that huge could look tiny out in the ocean, but I'm sure it does.
When I first had to go to Newport News for Chessie System to install a Terminal Services Center for Chessie's Newport News Terminal - Newport News Shipbuilding and Drydock they were in the process of building one of the aircraft carriers (I think it was the Theodore Roosevelt) - the island tower was visible for MILES across the coastal plain that is Tidewater Virginia.
You want to feel power? Go to Amtrak's Lapeer Depot here in Michigan along CN's Flint Sub. There's a bench on the platform that's about 8' from the RoW. When you got 3 SD70's barreling down at you doing 60MPH. with about 10K Tons trailing. You'll certainly feel the power! So much so you might just be frozen to the bench...
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