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CPKC - effects on traffic flows and traffic counts?

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Posted by kgbw49 on Thursday, December 9, 2021 4:20 PM

I wonder if "Murdoch Mysteries" will become popular south of the Texas border?

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Posted by ATSFGuy on Thursday, December 9, 2021 5:06 PM

I'll be watching closely to see what happens next.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Thursday, December 9, 2021 10:32 PM

kgbw49

I wonder if "Murdoch Mysteries" will become popular south of the Texas border?

Have to ask Crabtree! 

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Posted by kgbw49 on Friday, December 10, 2021 4:24 PM

Excellent idea, me ol' mucker!

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Posted by JayBee on Friday, December 10, 2021 7:19 PM

Closing is to happen Tuesday December 14th, 2021. After that CP will own KCS subject to a voting trust, pending a final STB decision on the merger, expected late next year.

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Posted by kgbw49 on Thursday, December 23, 2021 4:13 PM

Intereating take on the whole Canadian rail situation in the 12/23/21 Toronto Globe & Mail:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/commentary/article-a-clear-and-present-danger-for-the-continued-efficiency-of-rail/

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Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, December 23, 2021 4:22 PM

kgbw49
Intereating take on the whole Canadian rail situation in the 12/23/21 Toronto Globe & Mail:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/commentary/article-a-clear-and-present-danger-for-the-continued-efficiency-of-rail/

TCI again. Playing both ends of the game.

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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, December 28, 2021 4:48 PM

Don't know anything about traffic.

That being said, I just noticed that KCS (trade symbol KSU) is no longer showing as being traded on my stock 'ticker'.

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Posted by daveklepper on Friday, December 31, 2021 2:06 AM

Voting trust prior to assumed approval of merger with Cp.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Saturday, June 25, 2022 2:57 PM

KCS is continuing plans to build the 2nd bridge at Laredo to Mexico.  Texas Mexico RR ( Later bought by KCS ) has owned the bridge.  Just north beyond the bridge west of KCS track is the UP ( former MP ) track that joins KCS.  North of that junction is the Laredo UP yard.

North of that junction the TM had 2 tracks that went past the passenger station that is/was between TM and MP.  Those 2 tracks proceeded north and turned east at Washington street (?) to go due east across about 12 grade crossing then over a depressed I-35. Tracks continue east at grade over streets then SSE past TM yard then east, NE, E, SE past another TM yard...  Somewhere between the 2 yards ( do not remember ) was the main TM loco facility.

TM removed the 2nd track west next to the passenger station from sorth of station then east north of the second track.  All of the ROW north of the eastward track eastward was still intact including the 2 track bridge over I-35.  Evidently KCS is going to restore this TM removed track.  Every N- S street crossed the TM at grade as the topography is very flat at that part of Laredo.

NOTE" have not been to Laredo after TM became KCS.  Next to ROW north of the eastward track ROW is / was a McDonalds that provided cool viewing whenever a TM train came off bridge. Trains to Mexico too difficult to predict. Was fooled more than once by a UP that did not go TM but went north at station.

It appears to be the City's concern is that KCS land barges will block some of the westwerd tracks going toward the bridge and future bridges.

Kansas City Southern Railroad proceeds with plans to build rail bridge in Laredo (msn.com)

Here is link to open railway map that can be zoomed down to just parts of Laredo.

OpenRailwayMap

EDIT"  Seem to remember not all grade crossings had any lights or gates?  Remember trains were just at restrictedd speeds ?

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Posted by Ajsik on Thursday, March 16, 2023 1:38 PM

Resurrecting this thread following the merger approval by the STB.

I'm (selfishly) still trying to understand the affect on traffic through Milwaukee on the Watertown and C&M subdivisions.  I would've expected a decrease since at least 'some' of the traffic from the north and west can now bypass Chicago, heading directly to Kansas City or points south.  However, the CP merger filing projected a slight increase.

Two questions:

1) Is there rationale supporting an increase in traffic between Minneapolis and Chicago by way of Milwaukee?

2) Am I correct to assume that any such Minneapolis to Chicago traffic would continue to be routed via Milwaukee?  I've seen speculation that some of this traffic would be routed via Sabula, but if there's an advantage to doing this, hasn't this route always been available to CP?

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Thursday, March 16, 2023 1:55 PM

I would think the Twin Cities-Chicago would continue via Milwaukee since the line can handle the traffic and is the more direct route.

The daily commute is part of everyday life but I get two rides a day out of it. Paul
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Posted by ns145 on Thursday, March 16, 2023 5:52 PM

The train count and MGT increases on the Marquette Sub post-merger are such that I can't imagine there being any diversions from the Milwaukee-Portage route via Sabula.  I can see some traffic that CP is currently interchanging in Chicago to UP and BNSF moving to points south of Kansas City.  Even that should be relatively small, because CP could force the interchange on that traffic to Kansas City right now.  

I found this nice live ArcGIS web mapping site that provides both train count and traffic density data pre and post merger for the US portion of the CPKC network: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/665e5f3b1412406ea49454f573aefd35

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Posted by kgbw49 on Thursday, March 16, 2023 9:33 PM

One wonders if some of their perishables single line service will eventually extend to single line service to the Greater New York and Philadelphia areas.

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Posted by Overmod on Thursday, March 23, 2023 5:37 AM

We'll see some answers firsthand - the merger is scheduled to be completed April 14th.

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