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Will Our Rail-Friendly President Reinstate the Caboose?

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, December 19, 2020 10:55 AM

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I believe it was as a joke that someone then invented the suction cup with a flat spring wire holding up a hand silhouette, such that motion of the car caused the flat spring to swing the hand side to side...

This is what was funny about the cardboard Queen Elizabeths.

The real Queen Elizabeth learned a 'royal secret' about waving very early, that on occasions of state she might have to be waving for hours without stint, and that holding your hand up rapidly becomes exhausting -- a variant of that technique being very effectively exercised as discipline in my 7th- and 8th-grade Latin classes!  That is where that distinctive 'royal wave' style, a gentle back-and forth twist of the wrist, comes from.  And why no other part of the body moves as the hand is waved.  This of course can be parodied with simple and cheap mechanics that give 100% of the 'visual effect'... Mischief (no disrespect to the Queen or anyone else who has to use the Method, of course.)

I personally think that a proper 'engineer' would be better modeled using the technological approach of one of those inflatable figures you see outside tire shops and the like, which appear to 'dance' as low-pressure high-volume air is blown through fabric tube structure.  A small tap of main-reservoir air could easily produce the effect of all sorts of vigilance, perhaps replicating the danse macabre required to simulate watching all the inward-facing cameras, observing and calling signals, keeping watch for all sorts of wayside issues, reading gauges and adjusting controls, keeping whacking at the various vigilance-device resets, etc. -- and incidentally producing the effect of cheery waving.

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Posted by NKP guy on Saturday, December 19, 2020 10:52 AM

   When I began riding motorcycles around 1966 or so, it seemed all of us waved at each other as we passed.  I think drivers of two-seater sports cars observed a similar custom.

   But somehow, by 1980 this motorcyclist-waving seemed to end.  Maybe because thanks to the likes of Honda there were now many more bikes on the road than there used to be, and waving would not only happen too often, it was distracting and dangerous to lift the left hand from the handlebars. 

   It was a nice custom when the BSA's Triumphs, Nortons, BMW's and Harleys ruled the road.  Then came the kids on their rice grinders!

   

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Saturday, December 19, 2020 10:28 AM

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 I suppose we could rig up a cardboard engineer like those life-size cardboard Queen Elizabeths you could buy with a sort of bobblehead mechanism to do her 'signature' royal wave, to get the effect.  

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, December 19, 2020 10:17 AM

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Maybe we could do that with "FRED."

I thought of marketing a little bobblehead bust of EHH that could be magnetically attached to the top of a FRED, but I figured just in time that it would greatly increase the likely incidence of damaging rear-end impacts. Mischief

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Saturday, December 19, 2020 10:15 AM

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Speaking of ancient road signs, anyone remember the old "Children Playing" warning signs with the silhouette of the running boy wearing knickers? 

Can't say that I remember those, but there are still those insulting signs around that say, 

 

"Slow Children at Play".

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, December 19, 2020 10:05 AM

Speaking of ancient road signs, anyone remember the old "Children Playing" warning signs with the silhouette of the running boy wearing knickers? 

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Posted by tree68 on Saturday, December 19, 2020 9:50 AM

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 I suppose we could rig up a cardboard engineer like those life-size cardboard Queen Elizabeths you could buy with a sort of bobblehead mechanism to do her 'signature' royal wave, to get the effect.  

Maybe we could do that with "FRED."  

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Posted by tree68 on Saturday, December 19, 2020 9:48 AM

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The reason for the admonition of "FULL STOP" is because it seems many drivers think that STOP is an acronym!

 

It stand for:

 

Slight Tap On Pedal 

This is a vintage piece - it was yellow when I acquired it, having long since been retired by the county highway department.

While I agree with your general sentiment, I wonder if early drivers generally regarded traffic signs as "advisory," hence the need to point out the need for a full stop.

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Saturday, December 19, 2020 9:43 AM

The reason for the admonition of "FULL STOP" is because it seems many drivers think that STOP is an acronym!

 

It stand for:

 

Slight Tap On Pedal

 

 

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Posted by tree68 on Saturday, December 19, 2020 9:14 AM

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Dang!  I wish I could have seen that!  The biggest surprise I ever got cruising those old Bergen County towns was the occasional vintage stop sign with "cats-eyes" reflectors.

I've got one of those in my garage.  And even better - it says "FULL STOP," which raises some interesting questions.

Two of the cat's eyes don't reflect for some reason - when I refurbed the sign I simply put them at the end of the horizontal parts of the "L's".

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, December 19, 2020 8:41 AM

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This thread is taking up valuable space that should be used for discussing a real issue -- the disappearance of wigwag crossing signals. They were nearly all gone by the time I was a teenager --I found the one remaining one on the Erie Northern Branch in Northvale and was astounded, as if I'd found a dodo or a live dinosaur.

Dang!  I wish I could have seen that!  The biggest surprise I ever got cruising those old Bergen County towns was the occasional vintage stop sign with "cats-eyes" reflectors.

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Saturday, December 19, 2020 8:31 AM

Max Headroom!   A blast from the past. 

Portrayed by Max Frewer,  a blast from the frozen north. 

 

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, December 19, 2020 4:43 AM

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Locomotive of the future..

The amusing thing about this reference is that those were built with no internal controls at all; you could only hostle them via MU connection to another locomotive or by moving them dead.    There are or were very good illustrations of the equipment inside one on the Web.

I do suspect that autonomous locomotives would retain some form of cab and 'built-in' human control equipment and display capability.  I'm sure some of the PSR-addled mavens would go to some combination of RCO and shoving-platform mentality -- that would be a mistake sooner if not later.

Jist no friendly wave.  I suppose we could rig up a cardboard engineer like those life-size cardboard Queen Elizabeths you could buy with a sort of bobblehead mechanism to do her 'signature' royal wave, to get the effect.  A bit like those cardboard state troopers some states tried along with cardboard police cars to scare people.  Some people of a certain age might appreciate Max Headroom in a bandana and engineer's hat.

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Posted by SD60MAC9500 on Saturday, December 19, 2020 12:39 AM
 

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I shudder slightly to think that the generation after ours might be saying the same thing about a wave from a cab...

Locomotive of the future.. Nothing new under the sun

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, December 18, 2020 10:54 PM

Slack action on the rear of a 10,000 ft+ train ??  We have read many incidents of slack action on just 5000 ft or less trains.  Today anyone assigned to such would or could have OSHA involved. Pass a law and you have 2 conflicting agencies saying yes or no.

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Posted by seppburgh2 on Friday, December 18, 2020 10:40 PM
 

Well, can that slack action be mitigated with independent isolation of the caboose body much in the way the modern safety locomotive cabs are isolated? Or giving the crew member a roll of bubble wrap before each trip? And besides, adding a caboose is a labor-saving arrangement whereby the RR can have their one crew locomotive work arrangements dream?  Just think, eliminating the conductor position upfront altogether as there would only be the need for a "Train Watcher" in the caboose.  In fact, this could even be a crowdsource position like an Uber driver or (to quote Mr. Elmer J. Fud "be very very quiet") a railfan.

 
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Posted by Overmod on Friday, December 18, 2020 9:41 PM

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Go far enough upstream and you'll find others.  Or loop around via Staten Island.

Trust me, I know.  The point is you don't use a bridge to go from Hoboken to midtown.  Holland or Lincoln, yes.  H&M, perhaps.  Even the Port Imperial ferry via the light rail, I think.

Going via the Goethals and the Verrazano is a very great way round -- even getting to the Goethals from Hoboken is a couple of PSR trainlengths' worth of travel.  Of course there are plenty of bridges on the east side of Manhattan, where the water is generally much narrower, for you to cross and get stuck in traffic, but you will be wending your way around on 278 from the Narrows for a considerable time to have the opportunity. 

Now, if Lindenthal's bridge project had been approved before WWI, things might have been different.  That thing would have had 20-odd tracks to high-level trackage on the island.  Then all we'd need would be a double-track freight tunnel under the Narrows to Bay Ridge and everything would be set.  And we'd have gotten it, too, if it hadn't been for those meddling bankers who creamed Archie McLeod.

Amusingly, crApple Maps does try to route you from East Hampton to Newark/Liberty Airport via a bridge, the George Washington Bridge (about 22 road miles out of your way), until you discipline it to come to its senses.  Then it quite properly takes you via the Williamsburg and the Holland Tunnel/Pulaski Skyway bang! right there.

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Friday, December 18, 2020 8:51 PM

Once the Steam Locomotive has gone past, I don't much care what follows (though I do have a preference for a General Merchandiser freight).  If there is no Steam Locomotive on the front, then there is even less reason to care what is on the tail end.

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Posted by SD70Dude on Friday, December 18, 2020 8:22 PM

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Swimming, by the PATH train or by taking the bridges?

Bridges????

Go far enough upstream and you'll find others.  Or loop around via Staten Island.

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Posted by Overmod on Friday, December 18, 2020 8:20 PM

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Swimming, by the PATH train or by taking the bridges?

Bridges????

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Posted by Paul Milenkovic on Friday, December 18, 2020 7:53 PM

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A caboose would amount to the same thing, wouldn't it?

 

It is if your idea of a driver swap involves the same distance as commuting from Hoboken to midtown Manhattan.

 

 

Swimming, by the PATH train or by taking the bridges?

If GM "killed the electric car", what am I doing standing next to an EV-1, a half a block from the WSOR tracks?

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Posted by Overmod on Friday, December 18, 2020 7:38 PM

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A caboose would amount to the same thing, wouldn't it?

It is if your idea of a driver swap involves the same distance as commuting from Hoboken to midtown Manhattan.

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Posted by tree68 on Friday, December 18, 2020 7:22 PM

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The more I see of these contract vans running around on indirect routings, hauling crew members from one end of a train to another, the more I think eliminating the caboose was a bad idea. Put one guy in the loco, another in the caboose. Problem solved without adding crew cost. Or in the age of DPU's, have them function as a caboose.

So now the crew van has to get to both ends of the train to swap out crews.  Not to mention that doing a crew briefing on a 13,000 train will have to be via radio... 

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Posted by 54light15 on Friday, December 18, 2020 7:18 PM

BLS53- I think you're on to something. Don't OTR trucks often have co-drivers? One in the sleeping compartment and one behind the wheel? A caboose would amount to the same thing, wouldn't it? 

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Posted by Gramp on Friday, December 18, 2020 6:15 PM

How 'bout a large terminal full of belching steam locomotives. Wouldn't the environmental crowd love that?

Better than the fragrance of jet fuel permeating O'Hare Field. 

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Posted by BLS53 on Friday, December 18, 2020 6:10 PM

The more I see of these contract vans running around on indirect routings, hauling crew members from one end of a train to another, the more I think eliminating the caboose was a bad idea. Put one guy in the loco, another in the caboose. Problem solved without adding crew cost. Or in the age of DPU's, have them function as a caboose.

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Posted by BaltACD on Friday, December 18, 2020 5:45 PM

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Neither steam nor cabooses will become the requirements 

What about wigwag signals?  Please don't rain on my parade of hope.

Build it and MAYBE someone will install it.  to paraphrase 'Field of Dreams'

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Posted by Shock Control on Friday, December 18, 2020 4:34 PM

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What about wigwag signals?  Please don't rain on my parade of hope.

When approximately did these go out of vogue?

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Posted by York1 on Friday, December 18, 2020 4:32 PM

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Neither steam nor cabooses will become the requirements

What about wigwag signals?  Please don't rain on my parade of hope.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Friday, December 18, 2020 4:31 PM

BaltACD
Popular as curiosity's, not as first rank firearms. 

Not first-rank?  These guys might disagree with you!  Here's first-rank, as in:

"First rank, FIRE!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3k8Bv35bJE  

Lighten up a bit Balt, we're having fun being silly, you know?  Beats all the gloom, doom, and discontent that's been going on around here lately. 

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