They handle cookies differently.
Renember that the 'session cookie' has to identify you securely across multiple accesses, but without mistakenly permitting you 'in' when your access has been revoked. Periodically any good organization will cancel persistent logins ... the time being related to security. If you responded to the FRA employment opportunity, for example, only half an hour without 'traffic' from you results in your being kicked off.
Note that in the 'good old days' this could be done by physically setting something in your "client software" -- actually deleting cookies that are good no more. In our modern age of entitlement, applications can set cookies, but not delete them; what happens instead is that the internal recognition is changed.
Now, a well-written application would check to see if key cookies were set and give a user the option to overwrite them. In the 'Alan Kay' model of security (where the most "secure" systems are those you don't know exist, let alone are using) this would be innocently framed in terms of something like 'reset Kalmbach access permissions' -- note that this would be browser-specific, as the cookies or data to be reset would be, and you would have to do this each time you used a different browser you'd logged into under the old login.
Now the 'old' version of persistent login worked across platforms: I believe this is now treated as a 'security hole' by some modern browsers much as using straight http:// instead of https is.
In short, going into Edge settings, deleting all the Kalmbach set cookies, and flushing the cache and saved pages should definitively fix this and future repetitions. As I don't use any machines that run Edge I can't give you detailed instructions, but others have done that.
I have an odd problem.
I normally use Microsoft Edge as a browser. Normally my password is recorded and I'm logged in automatically. Now I'm not logged in and if I try to log in I just get returned to the not logged in page. I tried manually changing my password, but got a letter case wrong and was told my login details were wrong. When I correctted it I was just back to the not logged in page.
So my password was correct, Edge just can't log me in.
As you will have observed, I'm logged in. I can log in manually on Explorer.
How can one Microsoft browser work and not the other?
Any ideas?
Peter
BaltACD Just our normal Kalmbach IT yearly fiasco.
Just our normal Kalmbach IT yearly fiasco.
At least it wasn't the same level as what happened to Twitter yesterday.
I've been using Knoppix for all my web activity since mid February. (Knoppix is a version of Linux that boots and runs from a CD/DVD disc). One of the big pluses as such..., any new cookies, viruses, or other noxious material that any website might try to plant on my system only get's written to memory (they can't write to my disc). All that crud goes away whenever I shut down and restart my system, Anytime I start my system, it starts in the same pristine condition it was when I burnt the disc 5 months ago. So, this gives me an interesting sense of self assurance when those customer service reps try to disown responsibility claiming any trouble must be on my end. I went an extra step when I created my disc, I first booted the system, then imported all my old bookmarks from my previous system, then I accessd all my regular websites that require me to log on, thus getting an initial cookie that includes my log-on information,.. set on my system. I then "remastered" the entire system and burnt it to disc including all my particulars. It's been running like a charm since February. I guess this set-up gives me immunity to the cookie monster, and a few other common bad guys out there .
One of the big pluses as such..., any new cookies, viruses, or other noxious material that any website might try to plant on my system only get's written to memory (they can't write to my disc). All that crud goes away whenever I shut down and restart my system, Anytime I start my system, it starts in the same pristine condition it was when I burnt the disc 5 months ago.
So, this gives me an interesting sense of self assurance when those customer service reps try to disown responsibility claiming any trouble must be on my end.
I went an extra step when I created my disc, I first booted the system, then imported all my old bookmarks from my previous system, then I accessd all my regular websites that require me to log on, thus getting an initial cookie that includes my log-on information,.. set on my system. I then "remastered" the entire system and burnt it to disc including all my particulars. It's been running like a charm since February.
I guess this set-up gives me immunity to the cookie monster, and a few other common bad guys out there
Apparently clearing all cookies and deleting the cache (which I do every evening just before I turn the computer off, using "CCleaner") made the system think I was logged-off. Seems the Logout link is broke.
Semper Vaporo
Pkgs.
WHOOPS! End of day and I cannot log-out! Click the '"Logout' link and the screen just blinks. I will try to clear all cookies and cache and see what happens tomorrow when I turn the cornphewtor on to start the day.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
Semper VaporoWhat? Confusing others?
Ohn,,, I do believe I've found a critic!!
Convicted One There is a practical side to it, as well.
There is a practical side to it, as well.
What? Confusing others?
Semper VaporoWhy are your posts in a gray box with white text? Did you change something?
Now that I am retired, I thought I'd spend a little time getting cozy with HTML
I figure that something got hosed on the server and I.T. reset everything to a recent backup.
Convicted One Looks like everything posted here after about 7:02 Am Tuesday didn't survive the ordeal
Looks like everything posted here after about 7:02 Am Tuesday didn't survive the ordeal
Why are your posts in a gray box with white text? Did you change something?
I had all the same problems, so once again the Kalmbach server snafued.
Just Curious
Murphy Siding TEST I could log on all day yesterday, but got an error message anytime I tried to open any thread, or to send a PM (I could compose PM's, just not send them) I also noticed that there was new content posted to some threads yesterday morning, which all of that posted since Monday afternoon appears to be long gone. Guessing a that a server muxt have died?
TEST
John Liebson As of today, I have an opposite and strange problem. Yesterday, I could log on but not do anything, and had to remove the apparently corrupt cookies (three of them) in order to log off. Today, I can log on, but not off; when that happened, I removed the cookies again, only to find that I still could not log off, but could not remove any cookies, for there were none. Wondering what would happen, I closed the magazine's tab in Firefox, then returned to the site, where I found that I was no longer logged on. Logged on, now there are three cookies, and I probably will not be able to log off, except by closing the tab again. This site is now operated by Sesame Street's Cookie Monster.
As of today, I have an opposite and strange problem. Yesterday, I could log on but not do anything, and had to remove the apparently corrupt cookies (three of them) in order to log off.
Today, I can log on, but not off; when that happened, I removed the cookies again, only to find that I still could not log off, but could not remove any cookies, for there were none.
Wondering what would happen, I closed the magazine's tab in Firefox, then returned to the site, where I found that I was no longer logged on. Logged on, now there are three cookies, and I probably will not be able to log off, except by closing the tab again.
This site is now operated by Sesame Street's Cookie Monster.
Precision Scheduled Website
If GM "killed the electric car", what am I doing standing next to an EV-1, a half a block from the WSOR tracks?
I don't think anyone could log in properly for most of yesterday.
Greetings from Alberta
-an Articulate Malcontent
Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar.
I left a note for customer service Thursday and have not heard back yet. In Chrome, tried to clear last 7 days of cookies, but that didn't work. Found "see all cookies and site data", searched for "trains", and removed them. Now I am able to log on.
Thanks from me as well. Incompatible cookies!!
Thanks, folks. That worked.
There are now at least six threads about this across the Kalmbach forums.
The login mess is a relatively old issue; it's probably related to a couple of security modules in the software being updated or patched in incompatible ways. The upshot is that you have to go in manually and remove anything Kalmbach used for automatically logging you in. There is no need to get rid of all the cookies including your non-Kalmbach saved logins. Just go in to edit your 'saved cookies' and wherever you find one containing 'trains.com' (eg. cs.trains.com which is the 'forum community' site) delete it. Be sure to go all the way to the end of the list as a couple can be sneaky.
My experience is that you don't have to restart the browser or 'flush the cache' with Ctrl-F5 after getting rid of the cookies; you will just be able to get in instead of being dumped stupidly back to the same login box 'as if nothing had happened'.
I'd like to have a conspiracy theory that every time this happens more magic feature$ for invasive ads are being implemented as part of the New Community Experience Kalmbach boasted they were starting to build a couple of years ago. This login problem, however, is likely no more than just a configuration problem, and we'll just have to recover periodically.
Semper Vaporo You gots a sick cookie someplace on the cornpewter. Clear the cookies associated with the browser you are using (each browser has some different nomenclature for how to do that.) Or, if you are adventurous, get and run a program named "CCleaner" (that has 2 Cs on the front!) Note that some cookies hold your password and log-in status for some sites and if you toss all your cookies you may no longer be logged into those sites and you will have to remember your password for them.
You gots a sick cookie someplace on the cornpewter. Clear the cookies associated with the browser you are using (each browser has some different nomenclature for how to do that.) Or, if you are adventurous, get and run a program named "CCleaner" (that has 2 Cs on the front!)
Note that some cookies hold your password and log-in status for some sites and if you toss all your cookies you may no longer be logged into those sites and you will have to remember your password for them.
Thanks SV for the info it worked!
Erik_MagSounds like the current version of website software doesn't know how to overwrite cookies on Firefox.
I have a more "tin foil hat" theory.
They are using new cookies, with new "enhanced" content, which are still using the old names
You know what happens when you try to copy a file to a directory that already contains a file by that exact name don't you?
So, periodic flushing allows the new enhanced stuff to actually take it's rightful place, warts and all.
It's a sly trick to force the user to accept "enhanced" functionality.
I had the same experience with Firefox last week. Saw several members reoprts about deleting cookies, went to the preferences/privacy menu and deleted all of the cookies associated with Kalmbach. (NOTE: you need to hit the "save changes" button on the delete cookies window for the cookies to be actually deleted.) Fired up Firefox, went to Trains site, did the email and password login and got access.
Sounds like the current version of website software doesn't know how to overwrite cookies on Firefox.
Firefox all of a sudden would not let me log on, I have to use Google Chrome.
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