My wife expresssed a desire to have an open section Pullman in our back yard. It would have been a nice thing to have--except we would have had to get an easement from a neighbor or from the school which was beind our house. So, we never pursued the idea.
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Deggesty My wife expresssed a desire to have an open section Pullman in our back yard.
My wife expresssed a desire to have an open section Pullman in our back yard.
In this regard, your wife is different than mine.
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Deggesty... we would have had to get an easement from a neighbor or from the school which was beind our house. So, we never pursued the idea.
Nonsense! How do you suppose they got that GG1 out of the hole under the concourse? Use that same approach.
I believe one of the surviving Milwaukee Skytop cars had this done to allow the pieces to travel on 'available transport'.
Learn to weld and learn to grind (assuming you don't already know) and you might even do some of the work yourself! I'll admit that riveting would be a concern both to your neighbors and to the school ... although a certain fence described by a certain author comes to mind regarding the latter...
I'm tempted to observe that the Lion Gardiner is just begging for this treatment -- and I don't remember if it has been definitively 'saved'...
zugmann Flintlock76 Great idea! Love it! Maybe Wick Moorman will buy them and put them in his backyard.
Flintlock76 Great idea! Love it!
Maybe Wick Moorman will buy them and put them in his backyard.
Well, he might need something to pull Sandy Creek around with...
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Overmod Deggesty ... we would have had to get an easement from a neighbor or from the school which was beind our house. So, we never pursued the idea. Nonsense! How do you suppose they got that GG1 out of the hole under the concourse? Use that same approach. I believe one of the surviving Milwaukee Skytop cars had this done (albeit with a lower number of 'subdivisions') to allow the pieces to travel on 'available transport'. Learn to weld and learn to grind (assuming you don't already know) and you might even do some of the work yourself! I'll admit that riveting would be a concern both to your neighbors and to the school ... although a certain fence described by a certain author comes to mind regarding the latter...
Deggesty ... we would have had to get an easement from a neighbor or from the school which was beind our house. So, we never pursued the idea.
I believe one of the surviving Milwaukee Skytop cars had this done (albeit with a lower number of 'subdivisions') to allow the pieces to travel on 'available transport'.
Incidentally, I understand that it took as long to remove the GG-1 as it did because the baggage check was lost, and the PRR had to prove the engine was theirs.
DeggestyBut, my wife did not want it in pieces--and the yard was not wide enough to hold it thus; it would have stuck out into a neighbor's yard or the school yard.
Just put in enough that will fit. You could almost win a Frank Gehry award from AIA by relining up the piece with your house (for ease of access a la restaurants, of course) and redesigning the back so it looks like the train hit it: a common appearance nowadays for AIA design awards.
If your neighbors complain about why pieces of a Pullman are in your yard, tell them it's modern performance art playfully expressing the deconstructed theme of "open" "sections".
Overmod Deggesty But, my wife did not want it in pieces--and the yard was not wide enough to hold it thus; it would have stuck out into a neighbor's yard or the school yard. Just put in enough that will fit. You could almost win a Frank Gehry award from AIA by relining up the piece with your house (for ease of access a la restaurants, of course) and redesigning the back so it looks like the train hit it: a common appearance nowadays for AIA design awards. If your neighbors complain about why pieces of a Pullman are in your yard, tell them it's modern performance art playfully expressing the deconstructed theme of "open" "sections".
Deggesty But, my wife did not want it in pieces--and the yard was not wide enough to hold it thus; it would have stuck out into a neighbor's yard or the school yard.
Ah, yes, use one of the sections for out bed. However, it has been a moot point for more than seven years, as I am now by myself, in an assisted living facility. So far ass I know, I am the only resident here who begins to enjoy travel by train.
Thanks for the suggestions.
Murphy Siding Flintlock76 Whoever's running NS doesn't care. They just don't care. I don't get it. Why go into railroading if you don't care about the heritage, history, and lore, and being part of an American icon? I know this one! Whoever's running NS is doing it solely to make money for the stockholders.
Flintlock76 Whoever's running NS doesn't care. They just don't care. I don't get it. Why go into railroading if you don't care about the heritage, history, and lore, and being part of an American icon?
Whoever's running NS doesn't care. They just don't care.
I don't get it. Why go into railroading if you don't care about the heritage, history, and lore, and being part of an American icon?
I know this one! Whoever's running NS is doing it solely to make money for the stockholders.
The officers of corporations are legally obligated to seek the highest return on investment to stockholders, including mutual funds and pensions. The big problem seems to be that everyone is trying to make a fast buck and ignoring the long term, while presuming that everything that is the status quo now will be the status quo years from now.
PSR is a strategy to scam the quick buck as opposed to the earned buck.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
In the comments section of the FB notice a NS Locomotive Engineer commented he recently ran the units 300 miles and though they may look nice on the outside they are falling apart mechanically on the inside.
That seems surprising, if accurate. Here's some highlights of the recent mechanical work done on these, courtesy of the AltoonaWorks site.
Significant work has been done as recently as last year and they've been getting modified and upgraded throughout their sadly short lived NS careers (and have spent most of that time idle, with weeks routinely going by between assignments).
I am thinking that a NS breakup may be coming soon,such as N&W & Southern going their separate ways,with Southern merging with someone else(KCS?).
GM 209I am thinking that a NS breakup may be coming soon,such as N&W & Southern going their separate ways,with Southern merging with someone else(KCS?).
Seriously doubt that. Class 1's may sell off some lines that they feel are not their 'core' lines, such as what CSX has been doing.
GM 209 I am thinking that a NS breakup may be coming soon,such as N&W & Southern going their separate ways,with Southern merging with someone else(KCS?).
I doubt that SOU and NW still even exist as corporate entities.
Lithonia Operator GM 209 I am thinking that a NS breakup may be coming soon,such as N&W & Southern going their separate ways,with Southern merging with someone else(KCS?). I doubt that SOU and NW still even exist as corporate entities.
If and when some entity purchases Norfolk-Southern I don't see how they could do so without getting the whole "package."
Of course, after they've got it they could spin off any part of it they wanted to.
CSX and NS have integrated their operations in such a manner as to make it very difficult to separate out the entities from which the whole has been formed. Especially if the individual lines are producing a good return on the investment that the line requires.
Frankly, we've been through this before. As soon as both Claytor brothers were dead and burried the steam program ended and the Southern FP7s were sold off. Eventulally true believers were back in charge and an A-B-B-A set of F-units showed up. It's all cyclical.
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D.CarletonFrankly, we've been through this before. As soon as both Claytor brothers were dead and burried the steam program ended and the Southern FP7s were sold off. Eventulally true believers were back in charge and an A-B-B-A set of F-units showed up. It's all cyclical.
The same can be said for the Susquehanna's steam and the "On-Track" operation in Syracuse. They were both pet projects of Walter Rich, and once he was gone, so were they.
Fortunately, 142 is still under steam.
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And Bruce Sterzing, and F. Nelson Blount, and a certain trio of Nickel Plate Hudsons of infamous memory.
And then the whole nasty question of "deaccessions", a cute euphemism for a practice many donors are kept unaware of.
Never ASSume anything is safe; never ASSume anything will still be running when you get around to seeing it.
I wonder if the old Trains Magazine curse applies to things in the forums here?
tree, what was the On-track program in Syracuse? I lived there for a while, so I'm curious.
Lithonia Operator tree, what was the On-track program in Syracuse? I lived there for a while, so I'm curious.
It ran between Carousel Mall (now "Destiny") and the SU campus (possibly beyond - I don't recall). I believe it also stopped at the downtown station. AFAIK, it was very popular for Dome games as an alternative to finding parking around the campus, as fans could park at the mall and ride the train over.
I never rode it, and haven't really studied it, so don't know any other details.
CMStPnP In the comments section of the FB notice a NS Locomotive Engineer commented he recently ran the units 300 miles and though they may look nice on the outside they are falling apart mechanically on the inside.
That's why they're dumping them. Also too many issues with their upgraded electronics, also heard they ride like junk as well..
SD60MAC9500 CMStPnP In the comments section of the FB notice a NS Locomotive Engineer commented he recently ran the units 300 miles and though they may look nice on the outside they are falling apart mechanically on the inside. That's why they're dumping them. Also too many issues with their upgraded electronics, also heard they ride like junk as well..
Maybe those stories are right, maybe they're wrong. We'll probably never know until a prospective purchaser gets a good look at them, and maybe not even then.
Hard to believe at any rate.
It's at times like this the rumor mill kicks into overdrive, fueled in equal parts by anger and outrage.
To add to the On-Track information, it used Budd Rail Diesel Cars.
Alas, I never got down to Syracuse to check it out when it was running.
OvermodAnd Bruce Sterzing, and F. Nelson Blount, and a certain trio of Nickel Plate Hudsons of infamous memory. And then the whole nasty question of "deaccessions", a cute euphemism for a practice many donors are kept unaware of. Never ASSume anything is safe; never ASSume anything will still be running when you get around to seeing it. I wonder if the old Trains Magazine curse applies to things in the forums here?
Right, I believe that S-1 and T-3a have been brought up in the past on the Forum, I don't remember when or by who.
The thing is, they belong to somebody, the question is who, and just what are their intentions for them?
Possibly some local volunteer-run rail museum, long on desire but short on funds? Some eccentric who's "weirded out" over them and won't let them go, to anyone, as if he can take them with him when his time comes? People like that do exist.
Now that this jogged my memory, my recollection - and one of the captions/ paragraphs on the webpage I linked - is that students from nearby Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (RPI) were trying to restore - or at least preserve them. Obviously not much success. And that doesn't answer who owns them, or the other questions you raise.
Considering how much else has been lost, it would be a minor tragedy to lose these too. But who will step forward with enough money and time to save them?
- PDN.
P.S. - I was in the Albany area last weekend, and drove past this site within a mile of it on I-87 NY Thruway twice. Had I known, I could have found a few minutes to at least find and get some current photos of them . . .
I wonder if those RPI students who would have had the time and inclination, plus the money for at least a few gallons of Rustoleum, might have been chased off?
I can't imagine the owner turning down a free paint job, at least one good enough to stabilise the metal, but then stranger things have happened.
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