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This is what California has become.....
Posted by CMStPnP on Saturday, October 27, 2018 8:19 AM

Wait until mark 1:13:29  (hour and  13 min into the video).    Seems more people are riding the UP RR intermodal trains than the Amtrak Coast Starlight these days....

https://youtu.be/5KaCY6VcKCM?t=4281

Very sad.

 

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Posted by Bruce Kelly on Saturday, October 27, 2018 8:58 AM

We used to see large numbers of people riding Santa Fe manifests northward from San Diego back in the 1970s/early '80s. Trains would usually come roaring down off the short hill through El Toro around 2am. Me and a few friends all lived in homes on either side of the track, and if we happened to be awake at that dark, early hour we'd spot bodies standing in the doorway of nearly every open boxcar or sitting up on the rooftops. Can't say if there were any sitting on the end platforms of hoppers. Easily several dozen persons per train. I seriously doubt they were surfers returning from a weekend at San Clemente or Trestles Beach.

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Posted by erikem on Saturday, October 27, 2018 11:23 AM

I remember a newspaper article from about that time on the problems of trying to keep the people off the trains. Most of the riders new to wait for the departure brake test and would run to the train while the brakes were in the process of being released for departure. One picture was of a "rider" hiding in a covered hopper car carrying flour, needless to say he was covered in the stuff.

From what I remember of the article, most of the riders were tring to avoid the San Onofre checkpoint.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Saturday, October 27, 2018 11:56 AM

Irresponsible idiots. 

One day one of them will be ground to a pulp and of course, it'll be the railroad's fault.

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Posted by CMStPnP on Saturday, October 27, 2018 12:18 PM

Well it's news to me this has been going on for  a while I thought it was a relatively new development.    YouTube should ban the videos as it is a video of criminal behavior.    Surprised none of the railroads haven't been riding youtube's case to get rid of the videos.    The more viewership they get, the more the kiddies are going to want to try it.

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Posted by zugmann on Saturday, October 27, 2018 12:41 PM

CMStPnP
The more viewership they get, the more the kiddies are going to want to try it.

And yet you posted it here, why?  All the while denigrating an entire state for some reason.

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by Euclid on Saturday, October 27, 2018 12:48 PM

CMStPnP
Well it's news to me this has been going on for a while I thought it was a relatively new development. 

It has been going on since the 1800s.  In the pioneering era, it was more or less sanctioned as a class of ridership in which the riders informally paid a fair to the conductor and brakemen.  The practice seems to be quite popular today despite security stronger and more stringent than say in the 1960-80 era.   

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Posted by Firelock76 on Saturday, October 27, 2018 1:02 PM

You Tube will pull the posts if the railroads involved bring their attention to them.  In fairness to Y-T with literally millions of posts there's no way humanly possible they can keep track of them all.

Y-T's pulled posts in the past for a variety of reasons such as copyright infringement, offensive content (although in some cases they won't pull but will post a viewer warning), or other viable reasons.

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Posted by PJS1 on Saturday, October 27, 2018 6:56 PM

Bruce Kelly
 We used to see large numbers of people riding Santa Fe manifests northward from San Diego back in the 1970s/early '80s. 

I grew up in a central Pennsylvania railroad town in the 1950s.  My mother and father had lived through the Depression.  They commented frequently about people riding "Side door Pullmans" during the 1930s.  Of course, they were referring to boxcars.  

During the Depression many out of work men rode in box cars or sometimes on the rods underneath them to get from one point to another in search of work.  It was a desperate time.

Frequently, especially in the summer, when I came home I would find a grisly dude or two sitting on our back porch eating a grilled cheese or peanut butter sandwich.  My mother, who had no fear of the homeless, fed them.  How did they know to stop at our house?  The hobos as they were called then marked the curb, which told the Knights of the Road – my father’s reference - that they could get something to eat at our house.  

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Posted by tree68 on Saturday, October 27, 2018 9:24 PM

One can sympathize with the "knights of the road" of the past - those were hard times, and they were trying to find a way to survive.

A good many of the riders depicted in the video are simply in it for the sport.  

Then there is the possibility that they might encounter someone who values that nice digital SLR more than they do.  Possibly with dire consequences.  It wouldn't be hard for a group with nefarious intent to watch such a video and know where to lie in wait.

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Posted by JoeBlow on Sunday, October 28, 2018 7:07 AM

tree68
A good many of the riders depicted in the video are simply in it for the sport.

The real homeless panhandle until they have enough for a bus or they hitchhike. With a bus, I know the schedule and have safety. With hitchhiking, I go in the direction I want for free but with some risk.

If I hop a train, I have a higher of risk death/arrest, possible long-time delays in inhospitable places or going in the wrong direction. Jim Stobe (AKA: Stobe The Hobo) even admitted that hopping freight trains is not the most efficient way to get places. 

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Posted by ccltrains on Sunday, October 28, 2018 7:11 AM

The mountain scenery in beautiful and the change to more arid areas in the valley is a nice contrast.  I would take Amtrak for a comfortable clean seat and a legal ride.  UP is against riding the rails and the safety aspects causes enforcement.  However it is almost impossible to prevent this.  Just look at all the graffiti which is almost impossible to prevent.  If you want to see freight train riding watch the news of the Mexican trains loaded with people coming north.  Look at the pictures of the Indian Railways with so many people hanging on the train you cannot see the train.  All of this is very unsafe and illegal.

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Posted by Euclid on Sunday, October 28, 2018 8:33 AM

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tree68
A good many of the riders depicted in the video are simply in it for the sport.

 

The real homeless panhandle until they have enough for a bus or they hitchhike. With a bus, I know the schedule and have safety. With hitchhiking, I go in the direction I want for free but with some risk.

If I hop a train, I have a higher of risk death/arrest, possible long-time delays in inhospitable places or going in the wrong direction. Jim Stobe (AKA: Stobe The Hobo) even admitted that hopping freight trains is not the most efficient way to get places. 

 

Yes, I would say that hardly anyone rides freights for transportation.  They ride for adventure, excitement, and drama.  The risk of getting injured or killed is always relatively high.  But there is also the risk of getting busted which involves a charge of trespass, and that can entail fines that run into the thousand dollar range.  It has always been illegal even during the early era when every train was full of riders and the brakemen and conductor collected "bo money" as fares to supplement their pay.  But in this current era, the law against riding is vigorously enforced, and the riding experience includes lots of hiding from the "bull." 

Stobe the hobo rode freights and made videos almost as a performance art with him playing piano as background music to his videos.  He was a talented and articulate guy who depicted the riding experience in his numerous videos.  A large part of that experience was the strategy of successfully choosing the right route and the right train-- plus the very frequent experience of waiting for a train in the middle of nowhere for sometimes 10-20 hours. 

Unfortunately Stobe was killed during one of his adventures about one year ago in Pennsylvania.  It is not well known how he was killed, but apparently he was not run over by a train. 

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Posted by Firelock76 on Sunday, October 28, 2018 11:44 AM

"It is not known how he was killed, but apparantly he was not run over by a train."

And there's the thing, there are predators out there.  One was apprehended about a year or so ago here in Richmond Va, a serial killer who rode the rails from point to point.  Not everyone riding a boxcar is a poor soul down on his luck.

Again, not condoning what those young people are doing riding the train as they do, but they're doing one thing right, going as a group.  There's always safety in numbers. 

But they shouldn't be doing it at all. 

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Posted by Paul of Covington on Sunday, October 28, 2018 12:41 PM

ccltrains
If you want to see freight train riding watch the news of the Mexican trains loaded with people coming north.

   This has been brought up before in this forum, and I have answered it the same way.   Hitching rides was not unusual, and someone can find pictures of it without any problem, but to say that they are headed north (to our border) seems to me an easy scare tactic.   As a kid in Honduras, I remember seeing the passenger train coming in with a solid row of riders on the tops of the cars when there was a big fútbol game in town.   I frequently saw riders in trucks, too, and even on cars, standing on the rear bumper leaning forward against the trunk.

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Posted by DSchmitt on Sunday, October 28, 2018 12:42 PM

Search Google for "Stobe the hobo"  will find a couple articles about him and his death. Speculation on how it happened.No answer. 

I tried to sell my two cents worth, but no one would give me a plug nickel for it.

I don't have a leg to stand on.

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Posted by CMStPnP on Sunday, October 28, 2018 2:04 PM

DSchmitt
Search Google for "Stobe the hobo"  will find a couple articles about him and his death. Speculation on how it happened.No answer. 

He was killed while performing the act but little details beyond that, if you read some of the Youtube comments section it will come up in the discussions from time to time.   Nobody wants to admit they were there for obvious reasons of a LEO investigation on his death.   Self-incrimination.

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Posted by Convicted One on Sunday, October 28, 2018 3:01 PM

CMStPnP
Surprised none of the railroads haven't been riding youtube's case to get rid of the videos.    The more viewership they get, the more the kiddies are going to want to try it.

Witness in the movie  "Emperor  of the North"....I guess that conductors just aren't as dedicated anymore, as they once were.

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Posted by Gramp on Monday, October 29, 2018 9:58 PM

"Kings of the road" they are not.  More like spoiled adventure seekers.

How would they know when a stopped train out in the wilds would start moving again?

Playing Russian Roulette with their limbs?

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Posted by CMStPnP on Monday, October 29, 2018 10:54 PM

Gramp
How would they know when a stopped train out in the wilds would start moving again?

They don't but in a freight yard they learned the difference between the yard itself and the ready tracks..........they also seem to know from experience that intermodals are the fastest and most reliable trains.    Some, and I don't know how they have this figured out, but some of them know when to get off before the train fully enters a yard so as to not get caught.   They carry IPhones, so my guess is they are using Google Earth.

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Posted by CMStPnP on Monday, October 29, 2018 10:58 PM

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Witness in the movie  "Emperor  of the North"....I guess that conductors just aren't as dedicated anymore, as they once were.

I think for safety reasons they let the Police handle it........here is a guy that made a video about being caught.   Sounds like a total buffoon though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWFxFw21WiQ

Another one (idiots):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvw_th5aYpo

 

 

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Posted by CMStPnP on Monday, October 29, 2018 11:07 PM

See the idiots know what happened but they don't want to admit they were there nor do they want to tell the Baltimore Police,  Passing Amtrak train snagged one of his backpack straps and pulled him off the freight..........was he thrown off the bridge or run over?    Someone else will eventually post it.

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Hey friends, it is with heavy heart that I report here and on other videos that Stobe the Hobo (Jim) was killed in Baltimore on Wednesday 11/8/17 when god's hand reached out from a passing Amtrak (of all things) on a bridge, grabbing his back-pack and him along with it. He was my friend and his father called me last Sunday 11/12/17 to tell me. Though I sat enjoying his wonderful work on you tube from a basement in Seattle, I spent countless hours "in the darkest hours of the night" as he conquered the U.S. on rail with poetic comments, brilliant editing, piano self accompaniment, humor, love, and beer all the while with a solid devotion to his fine authoratative art of travel. R.I.P. I'm really pissed off and sad right now. Be well folks. I'm sorry.
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Posted by NDG on Tuesday, October 30, 2018 12:04 AM

 

Transients.
 
Back in the seventies I spotted two scruffy-looking heads peering out the door of a box car about 15 back from the head end on the North Drag.  They ducked back in as they went by.
 
These cars were to be set off for the Pulp Mill for Monday morning.
 
The set off was made, and the drag left.
 
We kept an eye on them as we only people for miles, nearest town Pop. 64, more or less. Saw more bears than folks some days.
 
It was getting late, and I did not want them around after dark when I could no longer see..
 
So, I walked down about 100 feet from car they were in, and told them the cars were not going anywhere and were for Pulp Mill loading, the stack of the Power Recovery visible in distance. The smell was visible on days the precips were down and the roof of my truck rusted from fall out.
 
Mill had a washer operated by a hose you drove over, only in mild weather.
 
Told the boys in the box where the highway was.
 
There was a guy at the dial phone in the station, Step-by-Step, just installed, who was watching me approach the car, and if I started to yell and things went sour, he was to call Police.
 
The hobos left, and cut across country to highway.
 
Later heard they were ' Wanted ' for something and caught breaking into a house a few miles away.
 
 
On another occasion a young couple walked in and asked if they could ride the Caboose on the N Wyft making up his train outside.
 
The young lady, who WAS pretty, went to work on the Conductor, the rest of the crew outside switching.
 
Soon they were IN the Caboose, kettle on Briquette stove, and then off they went!
 
Word got around and the RCMP showed up a few days later and asked if I had put a young couple on a train.
 
I told them the Conductor had the say, and took them of his own volition
 
The Police were very unamused, as they were stopping cars at a road block for these folk.
 
A BIG Deal!! for some reason.
 
The Company had to get in to it, and nasty memos sent down from On High for Trainmens' and Enginemens' Bulletin Books and for posting on wall re transportation of unauthorized personnel and non-Employees.
 
The ' New Dial Phone ' rang off the wall in chastisement until another issue arose.
 
 
On the Barge Route the Engineer, Born c 1915, let the pretty ladies w buxom appendages sit on his lap handling the throttle ( MLW S4 ) at 10 mph whilst the Trainman smoked a Doobie w.the lady's Dude.
 
Some were known as Draft Dodgers and went deep in the mountains.
 
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Posted by Convicted One on Tuesday, October 30, 2018 5:51 PM

CMStPnP
I think for safety reasons they let the Police handle it....

Houston "Ed" had a nice little story a few years ago about the rough ride they gave a few freeloading stow-aways they found one shift. Geeked

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Posted by BLS53 on Wednesday, October 31, 2018 1:54 AM

CMStPnP

Well it's news to me this has been going on for  a while I thought it was a relatively new development.    YouTube should ban the videos as it is a video of criminal behavior.    Surprised none of the railroads haven't been riding youtube's case to get rid of the videos.    The more viewership they get, the more the kiddies are going to want to try it.

 

It's not that hard to get videos removed. The major entertainment companies get movies removed regularly based upon copyright violations. Seems the railroads could do the same if they wanted to expend the resources. Railroads have to be the most tolerate of big corporations when it comes to trespass laws. I get the feeling they don't care, and accept it as part of the business. No doubt they have the resources to put electrified fences along their ROW's if they wanted to. Railroads are the most easy to commit a breach of security against, than any other mode of transportation.

As for portrayals of illegal activity on YouTube, train hopping is mild compared to much of the other stuff on there. Facebook is even worse in that regard.  

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Posted by Euclid on Wednesday, October 31, 2018 7:18 AM

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CMStPnP

Well it's news to me this has been going on for  a while I thought it was a relatively new development.    YouTube should ban the videos as it is a video of criminal behavior.    Surprised none of the railroads haven't been riding youtube's case to get rid of the videos.    The more viewership they get, the more the kiddies are going to want to try it.

 

 

 

It's not that hard to get videos removed. The major entertainment companies get movies removed regularly based upon copyright violations. Seems the railroads could do the same if they wanted to expend the resources. Railroads have to be the most tolerate of big corporations when it comes to trespass laws. I get the feeling they don't care, and accept it as part of the business. No doubt they have the resources to put electrified fences along their ROW's if they wanted to. Railroads are the most easy to commit a breach of security against, than any other mode of transportation.

As for portrayals of illegal activity on YouTube, train hopping is mild compared to much of the other stuff on there. Facebook is even worse in that regard.  

 

The basis for getting Youtube content removed for copyright infringement is that the the act of posting it amounts to theft.  So posting it makes Youtube an accessory to that theft.   

I am not so sure that a similar basis exits for getting Youtube content removed for depicting illegal activity.  Depicting an illegal act does not make Youtube an accessory to that act.   

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Wednesday, October 31, 2018 7:23 AM

And there are people who can't figure out why I avoid social media like they were radioactive.

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Posted by zugmann on Wednesday, October 31, 2018 12:31 PM

CSSHEGEWISCH
And there are people who can't figure out why I avoid social media like they were radioactive.

 

Isn't this social media?

 

 

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:17 AM

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CSSHEGEWISCH
And there are people who can't figure out why I avoid social media like they were radioactive.

 

 

Isn't this social media?

 

 

 

Technically, yes I suppose. But it tends to be mixed with a fair amount of anti-social media as well.Mischief

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Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:29 AM

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zugmann
 
CSSHEGEWISCH
And there are people who can't figure out why I avoid social media like they were radioactive. 

Isn't this social media? 

Technically, yes I suppose. But it tends to be mixed with a fair amount of anti-social media as well.Mischief

Today's 'real' social media is more anti-social than social.

Forums are more a social conversation on an agreed subject area.

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