Still no word on how they knew what railroad car to break into and that info may never be known.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-gun-theft-cargo-train-20171003-story.html
CandOforprogress2Still no word on how they knew what railroad car to break into and that info may never be known. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-gun-theft-cargo-train-20171003-story.html
BDL
Blind Dumb Luck
Break into enough containers or trailers and eventually you will find something of value.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
More likely they that had a tip
I have to go with Balt, probably just pure luck.
I'll tell you something, I'd love to see the blizzard of law enforcement personnel descending on the NS yard. Local, county, state, FBI, ATF, they'll be all over this one, trust me.
I'm torn between blind luck and some inside information.
It'd be nice to think that everyone handling the freight is upstanding, but not necessarily.
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tree68I'm torn between blind luck and some inside information. It'd be nice to think that everyone handling the freight is upstanding, but not necessarily.
A lot depends on whether the actual Shipper and Consignee were shown on the shipping documents or if they were handled through 3PL on both ends.
If the Shipper shows as Rugger Armaments - it is pretty clear what the contents will be.
As much as I hate to say it - an employee that was under my chain of responsibility at one time (I had moved to another position when it hit the fan) was directing a theft ring using company police as the ones hitting the trailers and containers based off the information he was communicating from the wheel reports. At the time the FBI busted his ring they carted away 4 40 foot semis of product that he had been selling at local flea markets. I believe he ended up getting 10 years at Jimmy Hoffa U (Lewisville Federal Corrections facility in Pennsylvania).
BaltACDJimmy Hoffa U (Lewisville Federal Corrections facility in Pennsylvania). Add Quote to your Post
That would be Lewisburg.
charlie hebdo BaltACD Jimmy Hoffa U (Lewisville Federal Corrections facility in Pennsylvania). Add Quote to your Post That would be Lewisburg.
BaltACD Jimmy Hoffa U (Lewisville Federal Corrections facility in Pennsylvania). Add Quote to your Post
I stand corrected - once you have seen a ville and a burg one tends to look like the other and vice versa.
I doubt if they knew the guns would be there. It's more likely that it was one pallet in an LTL load. Otherwise, they would have gotten a lot more guns.
BaltACDIf the Shipper shows as Rugger Armaments - it is pretty clear what the contents will be.
League or Union?
The consignor and consignee are required on bills of lading, even if it is a commision company the names of the shipper and receiver must be on the BOL.
caldreamer The consignor and consignee are required on bills of lading, even if it is a commision company the names of the shipper and receiver must be on the BOL.
When I shipped hazardous material, I gave the driver a bill of lading and information concerning each hazardous material in the shipment. The bill also showed who originatd the shipment.
Johnny
There is "A" shipper's name. It may not be the entity that tendered the goods. In a "blind" shipment "A" buys goods from "B". He sells them to "C". A does not want B to know who he is selling to or B may contact C and cut A out of the deal. A gives B a bill of lading showing the carrier as consignee. A gives the carrier a bill showing A as the shipper and C as the consignee. The carrier picks up the goods and delivers to C who does not know who B is.
So, while a shipper must be shown, it may not be the entity where the goods originated. This arrangement could also be used by the actual shipper, in this case Sturm , Ruger ,& co., to conceal the actual shipper of the goods.
Also, what makes anyone think that a "sea container" is used to ship from New Hampshire to washington state?
Overmod BaltACD If the Shipper shows as Rugger Armaments - it is pretty clear what the contents will be.
BaltACD If the Shipper shows as Rugger Armaments - it is pretty clear what the contents will be.
Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar.
Murphy Siding caldreamer The consignor and consignee are required on bills of lading, even if it is a commision company the names of the shipper and receiver must be on the BOL. Wouldn't it get shipped under a name that's less conspicuous just to keep it under the radar of potential thieves such as this? Shipped from S.W. Mfg.”, for example instead of advertising that this container is chock full of Smith & Wesson guns? I worked summers at an airport. A yellow Pinto station wagon would bring the weekly gold shipment from the Homestake Gold Mine.
Wouldn't it get shipped under a name that's less conspicuous just to keep it under the radar of potential thieves such as this? Shipped from S.W. Mfg.”, for example instead of advertising that this container is chock full of Smith & Wesson guns? I worked summers at an airport. A yellow Pinto station wagon would bring the weekly gold shipment from the Homestake Gold Mine.
You can rest assured that those that are stealing high value articles know all the shipping alias's of the various shippers and consignees.
The waybill is not on the container or boxcar for the most part.
BaltACD charlie hebdo BaltACD Jimmy Hoffa U (Lewisville Federal Corrections facility in Pennsylvania). Add Quote to your Post That would be Lewisburg. I stand corrected - once you have seen a ville and a burg one tends to look like the other and vice versa.
If you're ever in PA, stop by and take a look at Lewisburg. Looks like a large, beautiful Gothic monastery . . . . . except it's surrounded by a 40-foot brick wall with gun towers. Proper name is U.S. Penitentiary Lewisburg, and it is a pretty scary place. Visited there a few times, don't want to go back.
SALfan BaltACD charlie hebdo BaltACD Jimmy Hoffa U (Lewisville Federal Corrections facility in Pennsylvania). Add Quote to your Post That would be Lewisburg. I stand corrected - once you have seen a ville and a burg one tends to look like the other and vice versa. If you're ever in PA, stop by and take a look at Lewisburg. Looks like a large, beautiful Gothic monastery . . . . . except it's surrounded by a 40-foot brick wall with gun towers. Proper name is U.S. Penitentiary Lewisburg, and it is a pretty scary place. Visited there a few times, don't want to go back.
Closest I get is driving up to Watkins Glen on US 15 and I intend to keep it that way.
Murphy Siding Wouldn't it get shipped under a name that's less conspicuous just to keep it under the radar of potential thieves such as this? Shipped from S.W. Mfg.”, for example instead of advertising that this container is chock full of Smith & Wesson guns? I worked summers at an airport. A yellow Pinto station wagon would bring the weekly gold shipment from the Homestake Gold Mine.
I worked at the airport, too. Over on the airfreight side, it was common for a freight forwarder (Towne AirFreight in this case) to drop off a pallet of "parts" to be flown to themselves at another location. There another company truck would pick it up at the dock and take it to their consignee for the pallet. We could only tell by the packaging who the real shippers might have been.
So, you think Chicago is bad? https://jalopnik.com/mazda-is-getting-fleeced-because-trains-are-robbed-almo-1827967346
ORNHOO So, you think Chicago is bad? https://jalopnik.com/mazda-is-getting-fleeced-because-trains-are-robbed-almo-1827967346
Interesting article from the linked story; about how one town in Mexico has apparently, turned train robbery into a 'cottage industry'(?)
FTA:"...Some grow vegetables, others raise cattle, and some have taken to literally robbing trains... Over the past year alone, there were 521 crimes committed against cargo trains in the town. And a chunk of those incidents bore no resemblance to the run-of-the-mill petty crime seen in the bigger cities of northern Mexico — vandalizing a train car or stealing railway signs. No, these were massive, choreographed affairs that often started with a low-tech trick that dates back to the days of the Wild West — piling rocks up high on the tracks — and involved small armies of thieves who descended on the derailed cars in waves to cart off the loot..."
In the case of the Chicago area 'robberies'; it seems that the criminals are relaying on the 'odds of blind, dumb, luck'. While randomly selecting containers or cars to break into(?). Or possibly, some cases, 'inside' information? .
It seems that not even the military can keep their arms shipments safe from pilferage on the rails:
https://www.npr.org/2021/06/15/1006564395/the-u-s-military-is-stumped-by-a-stolen-box-of-armor-piercing-grenades
BaltACDAnd they wonder why they have all these shootings in Chicago? Maybe the answer is right here. Federal law provides that for EACH COUNT of possesion of a firearm by a "prohibited possessor" up to 4 years in prison. All they were sentenced on was the actual theft from interstate commerce. Each could have gotton 416 years. That would likely stop these 3 at least. CandOforprogress2 Still no word on how they knew what railroad car to break into and that info may never be known. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-gun-theft-cargo-train-20171003-story.html BDL Blind Dumb Luck Break into enough containers or trailers and eventually you will find something of value.
CandOforprogress2 Still no word on how they knew what railroad car to break into and that info may never be known. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-gun-theft-cargo-train-20171003-story.html
Not to minimise the seriousness of this, but take it from one with first-hand experience with the 40mm grenades they're pretty useless without the launchers, either the MK-19 or the M203, the same way a cartridge is useless without a gun to fire it from.
"Range nearly a mile?" Not really, effective range is about 400 yards. Far enough though. It might travel nearly a mile but you'd never hit what you were shooting at.
Flintlock76they're pretty useless without the launchers, either the MK-19 or the M203, the same way a cartridge is useless without a gun to fire it from.
tdmidgetAnd they wonder why they have all these shootings in Chicago? Maybe the answer is right here. Federal law provides that for EACH COUNT of possession of a firearm by a "prohibited possessor" up to 4 years in prison. All they were sentenced on was the actual theft from interstate commerce. Each could have gotten 416 years.
(I had to use the audio feature thanks to overly aggressive marketing ads; others may be able to read the 9 pages more easily)
Shelton was a 43-year-old 'father of 10' with a history of six railcar thefts but no more than a 3-year sentence (which obviously did not dissuade him from the practice). He was the 4th of 11 prosecuted, but of course the story fails to mention or link to those other proceedings.
Somewhat incredibly to me, Shelton's attorney actually tried to use the argument that the theft of the guns was 'only a commodity' and that there is no provable link between the theft and anything involving street violence. I suspect that the absence of Federal gun charges is related to this 'argument', although for Chicago to actually be consistent enforcing their gun laws, that (and a great deal else!) should have been invoked regardless of protected-group or other "concerns".
Apparently Shelton made a theatrical 'apology' that this time he 'gets it' and will mend his ways hereafter. I do not know how long his 10-year sentence will run before he's paroled or whatever, but it may be interesting to discover how sincere that was.
If I were a practicing US Attorney I'd look straight to the relevant section of the USC involving interference with rail operations -- the same provision that should have been promptly used on those blockade idiots photographed throwing trash and fire to derail trains. Interesting statutory penalties there to assure future compliance or recidivism!
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