They just blew up the N-S freeway (I-20 WB) after a gas leak. Any takers for crisis #3?
The commuter rail deniers for Atlanta seem to have gone into hiding. Early this morning a Haz Mat tractor trailer overturned on the downtown connector ( I-75, I-85 ) Both directions closed for awhile and southbound closed until about noon.
Then this morning the I-20 westbound east of downtown ( DeKalb Co ) buckled upward and seriously injured a motorcyclist in the HOV lane by being thrown upward . Finger pointing abounds right now but was some utility work ( gas ) going on under roadway. At least Tuesday to repair. Wonder what caused roadway to raise up ?
Amazing ... since I posted the link they have all the beams in place on one span.
PennDOT's "High Early Strength (or Set)" concrete is designed to attain its specified strength within 3 days. It's been used for piers and bridge decks (not beams) where time is a critical factor, even though that's not a normal use:
http://www.paconstructors.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Provisions-Clean-Version.pdf
Most of the concrete in a pier is for stability and to hold the rebar in place at the correct location to carry the tension. Typically only like 20 - 30% of the cross-section of the concrete is needed for the compression load. An area of concrete (rated for 3,000 psi) equivalent to 1-1/2 sheets of standard letter size paper in pure compression is enough to hold up a full-weight locomotive (420,000 lbs.). Think of a loco perched on top of a block in that shape a few feet high (a column of that size taller than that would be too slender and likely would buckle sideways, like a thin board on end would).
- PDN.
BaltACD https://app.oxblue.com/open/GADOT/I85BridgeRebuild Well, they are fortunate that the piers are still in suitable condition to be used into the future.
https://app.oxblue.com/open/GADOT/I85BridgeRebuild
Well, they are fortunate that the piers are still in suitable condition to be used into the future.
Well while Atlanta is dealing with this major issue with the 85 they just lost 20 Westbound out of the city due to the road buckling due to gas main failing.
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/dekalb-county/part-of-i-20-buckling-lanes-blocked/513329735
So now they have 2 out of 3 major interstates in that city closed with road failures. Right now my drivers into and out of that area are being told if not making deliveries head thru there between midnight and 4am only and after 9pm if possible. Yeah we are also telling our customers south of there maybe some traffic related delays and that we are doing everything possible to meet there demand. All of them understand and are laughing at Atlanta and their issues.
rdamonThey are starting to place the beams ... Time Lapse camera https://app.oxblue.com/open/GADOT/I85BridgeRebuild
Time Lapse camera
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
They are starting to place the beams ...
Here's an interesting article in local paper - sort of higher altitude view. Shows that MARTA under Keith Parker is doing some good things - has very positive attitude.
http://www.ajc.com/news/transportation/what-marta-teaching-other-cities-after-the-collapse/iWsHgbXtTNuXVLrZAKTgZI/
Target date for bridge repair is June 15. GDOT got waivers around all sorts of rules to fast-track the repair.
Gwinnett County transit also doing what it can to help by running some rush hour service from commuter park and rides to MARTA Doraville and Chamblee stations (last two stops parallel to I-85). A "remote parking" alternative since lots at Doraville and Chamblee have been overflowing. Admittedly, it's a drop in the bucket compared to I-85 flow, but everything helps.
My daugter reported her normal 45 minute commute along US 78 was 1:10 this morning - a lot more traffic than normal. US 78 is a useful alternate for people living southeast of I-85 who commute to midtown/downtown.
-Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/)
Don't forget, you have beancounters in these organizations that view areas under bridges as revenue producing real estate. There is no profit to be made from vacant, unleased ground when the owner uses the 'air rights' of the property.
Yes Larry it is!! I's just givin you somethin for trivia day.
BOB WITHORN ...Not exactly, but close. ...
And that's enough.
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rdamon They probably used some of GDOTs "stored" concrete. :) Yesterday I heard that other states were conducting inspections under their bridges. http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/east/2017/04/07/447178.htm
They probably used some of GDOTs "stored" concrete. :)
Yesterday I heard that other states were conducting inspections under their bridges.
http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/east/2017/04/07/447178.htm
(Being that plastic is just solid gasoline (like the furnishings in your house), I'm sure it burned pretty hot.)
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Not exactly, but close. Plactics are made by cracking ethane, propane, natural gas to produce ethylene and propylene and adding a catalyst to make Polypropylene, Polyethylene and other polymers. Gasoline comes out of the oil refining process before ethane and propane because they are lighter. So actually it's worse than gasoline because they actually burn hotter.
Bob
No link yet but our local CH 11 TV found a "SECRET" skate boarding facility under another bridge underpass. State DOT said "what skateboarding " Now claim to demolish it tomorrow. What only 5 days to discover it within sight of collaspe ?
Someone else to fall on a sword ?
LINK FOUND
http://www.11alive.com/traffic/i-85-collapse/photos-hidden-skate-park-under-i-85/429240362
mudchickenBailey/Acrow Bridge, slow the traffic lane speeds and maintain service until you get your act together on the redesign. (You can rent bridges, believe it or not)...The limiting factor may be the least common denominator urban driver and the impact loadings from the bigger trucks because of the interstate highway. Sadly, the in-house capability of even the big railroads is shrinking. The brainpower and the reserve capabilities has done nothing but shrink after Staggers and the aggressive short term behavior of the beancounters under threat from the Wall Street trash looking to maximize earnings at the expense of all else.
Sadly, the in-house capability of even the big railroads is shrinking. The brainpower and the reserve capabilities has done nothing but shrink after Staggers and the aggressive short term behavior of the beancounters under threat from the Wall Street trash looking to maximize earnings at the expense of all else.
On the temporary Bailey/ Acrow bridges, one thing working in favor is that the bridge spans are over solid ground, not a stream or railroad (as I understand it). Thus, the spans could be kept short and well-supported by frequent piers/ columns stacked up on the ground.
mudchickenBailey/Acrow Bridge, slow the traffic lane speeds and maintain service until you get your act together on the redesign. (You can rent bridges, believe it or not)...The limiting factor may be the least common denominator urban driver and the impact loadings from the bigger trucks because of the interstate highway.
That may have been what was done after Hurricane Katrina washed away part of I-10 where it crosses the eastern end of Lake Pontchartrain. And I do remember that there was concern that the sections were being damaged by trucks not heeding the speed limit.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/paulofcov/33067564323/in/dateposted-public/
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Just a note: In one of the linked articles by other Posters here there was the information that the three individuals arrested(and Charged) were under the bridge, in an area that was 'used' to smoke crack. Apparently, the article further stated that 'they' ['aledged'Crackheads'] conspired to set a plastic(?) chair on one of the spools of fibre optic cable(and/or pvc tubing?) and the ignited it... causing the fire.
[As the father of a deceased firefighter, I could not agree more with Norm's posted comment!]
Larry,
Based on previous conversations we've had you likely know that in the sixties I was a paid professional firefighter on Waterford FD. Those were the days houses wers "stick-built" with real wood and TV's were encased in wooden boxes. Plastics as we know them today had yet to become commonplace. The man I worked with and I went into a lot of fires knowing wood smoke was our worst enemy; sometimes foregoing personal protection in favor of saving others from doom or financial ruin. We did, in most occasions accomplish our mission. We kept low to the floor in such instances A coat and helmet was the best protection we had. I hate to think what would happen to us in today's environment with plastics and the toxic emissions they give off. Thanks to Scott air packs and the equivalent equipment or a lot of today's firefighters would be in dire straits because they were willing to sacrifice themselves to help others. We lucked out back then as we had the courage to fight some fires from the inside of the houses. Would I take that chance today? No way in hell! Thanks to chemistry the answer has to be a resounding "NO!". Firefighters have no chance against the toxicity they give off. Without personal protection they will be done in summarly.
I only put in six years at the job. Your dedication to the service is commendable and admired.
Norm
ModelcarUpon seeing what happened and what contributed to destroying this bridge section...I wondered if no one with responsibility didn't ever think about storing combustionable material under these structures.
Probably not. Like tires, PVC left to itself is pretty much inert - it won't self-combust. The reels holding it were steel. There probably were no sources of ignition there.
Given the choice, I'd bet most folks would choose those reels of PVC tubing over tires to store there. What can happen? (This ignores the point that nothing should be stored there, of course.)
Clearly, something did happen - someone started a fire, and once the plastic was burning it fed on itself.
This is why the fire service can't save your home these days - new homes are build of "toothpicks and cardboard" and are filled with plastic furnishings. In some construction, the plasterboard is glued to walls and ceilings, instead of nailed or screwed...
Absolutely...! Don't we see this capability of railroads rebuilding infrastructure much quicker then the Highway counterparts looking back thru some recent history...
Quentin
Good morning Fans...Upon seeing what happened and what contributed to distroying this bridge section...I wondered if no one with responsibility didn't ever think about storing combustionable material under these structures. I'm sure it is space seemingly ready to put to us....However, with these tragic & damaging possibilities....And of course, costs...
Bailey/Acrow Bridge, slow the traffic lane speeds and maintain service until you get your act together on the redesign. (You can rent bridges, believe it or not)...The limiting factor may be the least common denominator urban driver and the impact loadings from the bigger trucks because of the interstate highway.
BaltACD Norm48327 I posted on an aviation forum that if they need the bridge replaced quickly they should contact the appropriate people on the railroad and ask how they entice outside contractors to get the job done expeditiously. Not many took me seriously. Got a lot of "Yeah, Right" answers. My understanding - CSX repaired the line damage from East of Mobile to New Orleans caused by Katrina and had the plant in operation before the various State agencies had even let contracts for the repairs required to US90 and I-10 through the same area. Katrina was August 31, 2005 and CSX was back in operation March 1, 2006.
Norm48327 I posted on an aviation forum that if they need the bridge replaced quickly they should contact the appropriate people on the railroad and ask how they entice outside contractors to get the job done expeditiously. Not many took me seriously. Got a lot of "Yeah, Right" answers.
Not many took me seriously. Got a lot of "Yeah, Right" answers.
My understanding - CSX repaired the line damage from East of Mobile to New Orleans caused by Katrina and had the plant in operation before the various State agencies had even let contracts for the repairs required to US90 and I-10 through the same area. Katrina was August 31, 2005 and CSX was back in operation March 1, 2006.
I recall there was a story and photos in TRAINS, post-Katrina (Fall or Winter of 2006 (?) of one of the long railroad spans along the Gulf; photos showed a line of varied construction cranes from a number of contractors. Working together they were lifting a long section of railroad that had been blown off the trestle.They were tasked with working together to get the Gulf line back on-line, asap.
BaltACDMy understanding - CSX repaired the line damage from East of Mobile to New Orleans caused by Katrina and had the plant in operation before the various State agencies had even let contracts for the repairs required to US90 and I-10 through the same area. Katrina was August 31, 2005 and CSX was back in operation March 1, 2006.
One of the advantages of being your own repair shop. Governments have to come up with specs, advertise and solicit bids, review the bids, select the best one, re-justify their selection when a losing bidder complains (this may repeat), award the bid, find out the selected contractor isn't really capable of doing the job (so it will take even longer to complete), etc, etc, etc...
All the railroad has to do is say "we need X ties, and Y rails, and z miscellaneous parts to put it all together, order them, and start work when they arrive. If supplier A can't meet the need for an item, they can just go to supplier B.
Norm48327I posted on an aviation forum that if they need the bridge replaced quickly they should contact the appropriate people on the railroad and ask how they entice outside contractors to get the job done expeditiously. Not many took me seriously. Got a lot of "Yeah, Right" answers.
I posted on an aviation forum that if they need the bridge replaced quickly they should contact the appropriate people on the railroad and ask how they entice outside contractors to get the job done expeditiously.
Here is the Atlanta Constitution research for quick work. Note how contractor actually chartered a train to carry steel from Pennsylvania - California.
http://www.myajc.com/news/transportation/how-atlanta-can-speed-repairs/XlT8OqUYiTq85rJEpD6kBK/
EDIT Just anounced GA DOT looking for June 15 completion.
samfp1943 Shadow the Cats owner Right now our drivers going into and out of the Atlanta area are screaming bloody murder at us. First off they hated the traffic to begin with. Now with I-85 closed in both directions and it is near impossible to get thru there in a decent manner. I can tell you this much GADOT is going to have the butt of whoever told that contractor to store all that plastic under the bridge. It is like they forgot what happened in CA PA heck everyplace where fire happened under a bridge. Traffic in the Atlanta area has pretty much always been an issue. The Interstates seem to have just exacerbated those problems. Construction to incerease lanes on the perimeter loop create 'choke-points', while the State has concentrated on 'improving the major roads ( read the Interstates! ?). The local Road Net is a mess, so many political jurisdictions, and an apparent lack of coordinating planning has created a mess. Intersections with multiple roads intersecting( and multiple roads,each with a different name at the same junction). Multiple communities in multiple ajoining counties. Has led to a 'crazy-quilt' of conflicting political jurisdictions, and conflicting priorities. Facing what drivers face, when heading to, and thru Atlanta is enough to make people crazy. See link @ http://www.knowatlanta.com/atlanta-metro-counties-cities/
Shadow the Cats owner Right now our drivers going into and out of the Atlanta area are screaming bloody murder at us. First off they hated the traffic to begin with. Now with I-85 closed in both directions and it is near impossible to get thru there in a decent manner. I can tell you this much GADOT is going to have the butt of whoever told that contractor to store all that plastic under the bridge. It is like they forgot what happened in CA PA heck everyplace where fire happened under a bridge.
Right now our drivers going into and out of the Atlanta area are screaming bloody murder at us. First off they hated the traffic to begin with. Now with I-85 closed in both directions and it is near impossible to get thru there in a decent manner. I can tell you this much GADOT is going to have the butt of whoever told that contractor to store all that plastic under the bridge. It is like they forgot what happened in CA PA heck everyplace where fire happened under a bridge.
Traffic in the Atlanta area has pretty much always been an issue. The Interstates seem to have just exacerbated those problems. Construction to incerease lanes on the perimeter loop create 'choke-points', while the State has concentrated on 'improving the major roads ( read the Interstates! ?).
The local Road Net is a mess, so many political jurisdictions, and an apparent lack of coordinating planning has created a mess. Intersections with multiple roads intersecting( and multiple roads,each with a different name at the same junction). Multiple communities in multiple ajoining counties. Has led to a 'crazy-quilt' of conflicting political jurisdictions, and conflicting priorities. Facing what drivers face, when heading to, and thru Atlanta is enough to make people crazy.
See link @ http://www.knowatlanta.com/atlanta-metro-counties-cities/
Atlanta area has always treated plan like it is a bad four letter word.
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