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Updates on Multi-Tracking the Two BNSF Transcons

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Posted by kgbw49 on Tuesday, May 3, 2022 8:22 AM

Read an article in another trade publication related to MOW budgets of various railroad and transit agencies for 2022.

The two big BNSF projects for multi-track included the continuing double track project in Kansas, and approximately 30 miles of triple track from the current end of triple track west of Needles to Goff in California.

https://www.bnsf.com/news-media/railtalk/service/emporia.html

The second bridge over Lake Pend Oreille in Idaho also continues, which will extend double track over the lake and through the town to the junction between the ex-GN and ex-NP.

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Posted by kgbw49 on Friday, June 10, 2022 7:28 AM

BNSF is adding 4.3 miles of fourth main track near the San Bernardino Intermodal Facility to relieve congestion.

From the news release it sounds like it all is in the City of San Bernardino proper.

https://www.bnsf.com/news-media/news-releases/newsrelease.page?relId=bnsf-railway-advances-track-efficiency-improvements-in-san-bernardino

From the looks of it they are really going to be shoe-horning the track in there from this overpass all the way down to the San Bernardino Intermodal Facility

https://www.google.com/maps/place/N+State+St,+San+Bernardino,+CA/@34.1261037,-117.3033996,186m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x80c3523f3ce6f94f:0xee70c673a312aa8d!8m2!3d34.1514907!4d-117.3354683

 

 

 

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Posted by rdamon on Friday, June 10, 2022 1:36 PM

In searching the SB City Council site for more information, I found this item from the 6/1/2022 regular meeting.

8. Resolution Approving Street Vacation of a Portion of I Street (Ward 3) p. 277

Recommendation

Adopt Resolution 2022-103 of the Mayor and City Council of the City of San Bernardino, California, certifying the Final Environmental Impact Report (State Clearinghouse No. 2021030193), adopting the findings of fact and Mitigation Monitoring and Reporting Program under the California Environmental Quality Act, and approving the vacation of a portion of “I” Street between Spruce Street and Olive Street, and a portion of “J” Street at its intersection with 17th Street and 21st Street and reservation of utilities therein.

 

 

Found this document as well.

https://sbcity.org/civicax/filebank/blobdload.aspx?BlobID=30184

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Posted by croteaudd on Friday, June 10, 2022 2:05 PM
San Bernardino Fourth-Track Peculiarity
 
Hi, guys (and the few gals here too)!
 
About the new fourth-track in San Bernardino … here is my UNOFFICIAL assessment, an assessment that may or may not be the way it will be.
 
It should be realized that IT IS SAID the project starts on the east side by State Street / University Parkway.  I DISAGREE!  That insinuates a new CP would be put in near there (ONO).  I believe CP VERDEMONT will be radically altered, with the thru-tracks (1, 2, and 3) will shift to the north side (railroad south), so the siding or Main 4 will become Main 3. (Make sense?)  So, the present Main 1 (railroad north side) will become the North Track. (Thus, North Track, Main 1, 2, and 3.)  A physically north side track will be extended westbound to around Mt. Vernon Ave., where alignment shifts will take place so the new ‘North’ track will be next to Main 1, which will go to CP SEVENTH STREET in the downtown San Bernardino area.  IF IT WON’T BE THIS WAY, the railroad will simply be working against itself and everything will slow down!
 
WHAT IT AMOUNTS TO is that the new track will combine with the current siding so that TWO trains can be parked instead of one.  THAT IS ALL IT AMOUNTS TO.  It should be noted that eastbound and westbound Intermodal trains pick up and drop off on the north side, so they all must vie for a north side pickup or drop off position. 
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Posted by diningcar on Friday, June 10, 2022 4:00 PM

As I read the 1869 N J Street photo it appears to be unrelated to BNSF but is part of the modification for the passenger station along the Redlands line tracks.

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Posted by rdamon on Friday, June 10, 2022 4:14 PM

If you look in the document on page 22 you can see the blue ROW expanded limit and the red line is the c/l of the new track.

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Posted by croteaudd on Saturday, June 11, 2022 7:42 AM
San Bernardino Update Assessment
After examining environmental track material linked above, this forum contributor has concluded that insufficient material is available to make judgment calls, as things just don’t jive and are contradictory!  Further material, including future Control Point (CP) material is needed.  It is unusual that incomplete material is supplied, unless things are being looked at just from a legal environmental report aspect.  Since things are so contradictory it has to be wondered if the forum was NOT supplied the final material on the project.  Thus. I retract my previous, above post.
diningcar:
 
Posted by diningcar on Friday, June 10, 2022 4:00 PM
As I read the 1869 N J Street photo it appears to be unrelated to BNSF but is part of the modification for the passenger station along the Redlands line tracks.
It is very related, unlike your confusion about the Arrow line to Redlands that is a mile away!
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Posted by kgbw49 on Saturday, June 11, 2022 7:51 AM

There is a heck of a lot of property acquisition going on for this project per the City of San Bernardino document.

if you look at the BNSF strategy as a whole, they really invest big bucks on an annual basis to improving traffic flow, well above and beyond just long sidings liike the rest of the PSR universe seems to be doing.

Major examples include but are not limited to:

Reopening Stampede Pass

Double tracking The Funnel

Second bridge over Lake Pend O'Reille

Double tracking much of the Great Northern route in North Dakota

Buyng back the Northern Pacific across Montana

Triple track on Cajon and much of the route to Hobart Yard in Southern CA.

Much of the double track on Tehachapi where they run the majority of trains as tenant

Double tracking Abo Canyon

Triple or quadruple track into and out of Belen NM

Triple or quadruple track into and out of Needles CA

Truxton Flyover

Triple tracking at Amarillo

Double tracking major bridges on the Southern Transcon to close single track gaps

Double tracking the Flint Hills

Again, not a comprehensive list.

But they make steady investments to try - try - to keep trains moving.

(If, in this period of history, they have the crews to run them.)

 

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Posted by rdamon on Saturday, June 11, 2022 2:10 PM

kgbw49

There is a heck of a lot of property acquisition going on for this project per the City of San Bernardino document.

I was thinking the same thing.  

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Posted by MikeF90 on Thursday, August 11, 2022 5:40 PM

Per a KS local frequent poster on The Other railfan site, BNSF contractors are actually grading near El Dorado for the 2MT project. No word on the Augusta to Mulvane single track section yet.

Meanwhile they seem to be working all along the ROW between Bazaar and Aikman including both highway and RR bridges.  Hard to tell when specific blocks will be completed and cut over.

On the nearby Wichita railcam traffic patterns look pretty wild to me. I've seen both northbound (RR east) and southbound trains held and passed by higher priority ones in the same direction!

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Posted by samfp1943 on Friday, August 12, 2022 4:53 PM

MikeF90

Per a KS local frequent poster on The Other railfan site, BNSF contractors are actually grading near El Dorado for the 2MT project. No word on the Augusta to Mulvane single track section yet.

Meanwhile they seem to be working all along the ROW between Bazaar and Aikman including both highway and RR bridges.  Hard to tell when specific blocks will be completed and cut over.

On the nearby Wichita railcam traffic patterns look pretty wild to me. I've seen both northbound (RR east) and southbound trains held and passed by higher priority ones in the same direction!

 

 
            Mike F90:  Just to note: I live about MP126.8 (?) on what seems to be labeled as the Main #3 of the Eldorado Sub (N.side of Mulvane,Ks)
....As to the line between Augusta and here.  It has several(long?) passing tracks,East of here; bewtween Augusta and Rose Hill (Ks)...Some previously places graded along the ROW...
   From the area of the switch (NE of Mulvane area to a track that runs along the East side of town and intersects the line from the Southeast-Yard outside of Ark City via Winfield and Udall, to its intersection on SW side of Mulvane, with the Southern T con (*From Wellington, and West) to North to Wichita via Derby) . Seems to be a normal amount of traffic; but many trains are much longer with multi DPUs in consist ( would appear to be made with adding anolther train to another... possibly, in an area ilke Amarillo, or farther west(?)  

Traffic onto Mulvane (East)  is mostly, Double stacks, with a couple of daily TOFC and mixed COPFC's ... Along with one, maybe two(?) mixed merchandisers, and solid grain trains, and an occasional soild tank train, (Empty or loaded?)  These can run in either direction, and seem to be fleeted' by direction; again in either direction ... Makes for some interesting watching, at times.   

 

 


 

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Posted by PeteM3 on Sunday, August 14, 2022 10:00 PM

MikeF90:

The link to your Southern Transcon map does not appear to be working. I keep getting "Invalid Dynamic Link - Blocked" and "We could not match param 'http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=216728125071071537994.0004a8eb6afe6797ac375&msa=0&ll=38.891033,-97.250977&spn=24.111771,35.595703' with whitelisted URL patterns in this Google project". There is a logo at the bottom of the page that says "Firebase". I tried it with Firefox and Chrome. No luck. All the other maps are workng.

BTW, have always appreciated your maps,certainly a lot of work.

Pete

 

 

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Posted by MikeF90 on Monday, August 15, 2022 6:26 PM

PeteM3
The link to your Southern Transcon map does not appear to be working.

Looks like the Google child devs have finally turned off the g.co shortcut service. Now need to check all my other links. Gaahh.

Here's the long mymaps link: https://www.google.com/maps/d/view?mid=1VRnODytoJvQobOqykJUwAH2FU4w&ll=36.368083242851135%2C-102.51324895000002&z=5

Maintaining the map markers isn't bad at all if you build it a little at a time ....

samfp1943: I haven't noticed what I call 'fleeting' through Wichita yet. However the UP 'land barges' look like doubled up shorter trains so that kinda counts Wink. The BNSF DS sometimes holds off multiple UP trains on the Enid sub and then at a break in traffic lets them rip; looks like higher speeds than they would be allowed on UP trackage ....

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Posted by PeteMthree on Tuesday, August 16, 2022 8:20 PM

Mike, 

AOK with the new link. 

Thanks,

Pete

 

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Posted by samfp1943 on Wednesday, August 17, 2022 9:51 PM

MikeF90 I really can't  speak to much traffic on the UPRRR's North- South line into Wichita [former RI (OKT sub) ]; it is approx 9/10 miles West of this area. I do get into Wellinmgton/Hayuesville areas occasionally, seems about all I've gotten to see on  (UPR) there, has been grain trains.   

Here, aty the house, we are starting to notice some of the Westbnd 'Land Barges' seem to be regularly compliations of JBH's stackers and Import/Export TOFCs; origin might be Garner, Kansas(?)  (surprising the amount of growth that has sprung up around the big yard there; from the highway, it would seem to be about 4-5 miles in length(?).. Not sure how much traffic  origins at KCK or KCM0 (?). Comes via Mulvane.(?) 

Even the traffic running via Arkansas City thru Winfield, can go several directions; ArkCity Yard north via Augusta into Flint Hills and on to KC area. West via Udall to Mulvane and on to Wichita, or West to Wellngton, and onto the S. Tcon.

Or Mulvane and Derby and into Wichita; or take the Mulvane(East) line, and turn back to Agusta and ENE. Or take the lower line(E-W) at Mullvane arcoss from the East line to a connection on the West side of Mulvane to the S,T-con.  There are plenty of trains to watch around here, going in a number of directions.  I was told by one of the BNSF supevisors, the traffic amounted , at time to around 60.or so, trains; onto, and off of, the lines thru here. 

 

 


 

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