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Posted by dakotafred on Sunday, September 20, 2015 7:27 AM

Thanks for the above, Greyhounds. I forgot about the vital S.P. component.

I worked for U.P. in Cheyenne, 1966-72, and will never forget the warm-weather parade of solid perishable trains, the "Green Fruits." I was properly impressed with the volume of business ... but had no baseline to compare it with. (Never considered it might have been even more at one time.)

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Posted by Paul of Covington on Sunday, September 20, 2015 1:05 AM

   Why have the Roadrailer people been so adamant about keeping their equipment in dedicated trains?   The only reason I can think of is that the slack action at the end of a train might be too violent for their trailers.

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Posted by greyhounds on Saturday, September 19, 2015 10:49 PM

dakotafred
Greyhounds: Re. produce: If rail rates were held below market in the summertime, shouldn't this have worked to the rails' advantage? (The opposite of the winter situation.) And didn't service problems on the Penn Central play a role in loss of this time-sensitive traffic? I don't remember from my reading when the erosion started, except I believe it was also coincident with the filling in of the Interstate highway system. (Don't get me wrong. I'm not defending the ICC for a minute.) 

Well, no.

If the railroads could sell a load for $5,000 and the government only let them charge $4,000 they weren't being "helped".  They were being hurt.

The Union Pacific Historical Society's publication "The Streamliner" had a good two part series on UP's last efforts to retain the California perishables in their Spring and Summer issues of 2012.  The writer was Rob Leachman who was with UP management when this happened.  He's now a PhD on the faculty at UC Berkley.

I'm going from memory here, but Leachman doesn't put the blame on PC service problems.  He cites the holding down of rates by the ICC as causing the originating carrier, the SP, to loose interest in providing the required service levels.  The SP's reasoning was that they weren't allowed to make any money on this business so why bust their butt to provide the service.  

The Interstate System certainly made long haul trucking more competitive will all rail movement.  But at the distances involved, 2,000 to 3,000 miles, the rails should have retained a significant cost advantage for this business.  They could provide the service needed.  It's just that the freaking ICC removed much, if not all, incentive for them to provide that service.

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Posted by Vern Moore on Saturday, September 19, 2015 6:20 PM

The demise of RoadRailer mirrors the demise of its primary customer: auto assembly outside of the one day drive from Detroit market.  As the Big Three have retrenched their operations to around Detroit (with a few exceptions), RoadRailer has seen its customer base shrinking.

 

At the same time "conventional" intermodal, COFC and double stacks have grown steadily between all the same points RoadRailer serves.  And the demise of the produce express RoadRailer service also parallels the growth of new refrigerated container service.

Coupled with the aging of current RoadRailer equipment and the fact that a regular container can be loaded heavier than a RoadRailer trailer, shippers are being enticed to switch service to containerized intermodal. The railroads don't have to buy new RoadRailer equipment and shippers get to ship heavier loads at the same or lower prices.

It's the same logic that is seeing major trucking companies like JB Hunt, Schneider and Swift switching to containers and letting railroads perform the long haul instead of investing in new trailers and over the road tractors.

The trucking company division I drove for lost a major contract to our own intermodal division because the costs for one truckload of laundry detergent to be driven from Ohio to the west coast would pay for ten containers to be shipped from North Baltimore to the west coast.

Both long-haul trucking and RoadRailer are at cost disadvantages to conventional intermodal and as the railroads and shippers work to squeeze even more costs out of the equation it will become impossible to compete against containerized freight.

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Posted by dakotafred on Saturday, September 19, 2015 5:20 PM

Greyhounds:

Re. produce: If rail rates were held below market in the summertime, shouldn't this have worked to the rails' advantage? (The opposite of the winter situation.)

And didn't service problems on the Penn Central play a role in loss of this time-sensitive traffic? I don't remember from my reading when the erosion started, except I believe it was also coincident with the filling in of the Interstate highway system.

(Don't get me wrong. I'm not defending the ICC for a minute.) 

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Posted by ricktrains4824 on Saturday, September 19, 2015 12:11 PM

I have thought this for a while, that the whole problem is that they don't run Roadrailers WITH other intermodal equipment. 

Why, could you not, build the train with regular TOFC/COFC/Well cars, THEN the fancy couplermate adapter car, with the Roadrailers last? Amtrak can do it, why don't the freight carriers catch on?

But, if the upper level guys and girls at Roadrailer dislike the idea...... That would explain things.

Someone who has the guts to pull off the disliked "mixed train" with Roadrailers in the mix could stand to make lots of money, and set the standard for all of the others to try to reach.

 

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Posted by greyhounds on Saturday, September 19, 2015 11:38 AM

Murphy Siding
Why do you say that?  

We'll see how this copy comes through on the forum.

I wrote this well over 10 years ago.  It's certainly dated, but it's basic premis is still true.

The Problem with RoadRailers

 
 
            The BNSF just recently suspended operation of its “Ice Cold Express” RoadRailer trains.  The elimination of these trains, which operated between Los Angeles and Chicago, is disturbing for two reasons. 
 
First, they were targeted on the California produce transportation market.  This market is huge, long haul, and predominately moves via motor freight.  California produces about one half the fresh fruits and vegetables consumed in North America.  This equates to around 500,000 refrigerated tractor-trailers leaving California each year.  Most of these trucks are on long haul runs to eastern population centers.  These truckers don’t return to California empty, they maximize their revenue by getting “backhaul loads” from those eastern cities to California.  That makes the total market, including backhauls, 1,000,000 long haul loads per year.
 
The railroads successfully handled this business for years, but were driven out in large part by Federal rate regulation.Idea   For the DECADES since, the railroads have generally conceded this long haul business to the truckers.[ii]
 
The now defunct Ice Cold Express was a strong attempt by the BNSF to get more of this business back on the rails where it belongs.  It’s sad to see such a false start in such a worthy, important effort. 
 

Secondly, this is yet another setback for RoadRailer.  For a while, it looked as if the Ice Cold Express might be RoadRailer’s big break through.  A major railroad had made a major investment in refrigerated RoadRailer equipment for the first time.  Two intermodal marketing companies, Alliance Shippers and Clipper Exxpress, also joined the operation. These companies also made substantial investments in the service by purchasing their own

equipment to operate in the trains.  The CN established a connecting RoadRailer Service to Toronto and Montreal.  These cities are both major markets for California produce.  CSX established its own connecting service to the US east coast.  It looked as if RoadRailer might be finally on its way.

 
            Then things began to fall apart.  First, the CSX and CN connecting services at Chicago were shut down.  Now the Ice Cold Express no itself longer operates.
 
            Just what the Hell went wrong?  Why did the Ice Cold Express join the ranks of other failed RoadRailer operations?  I’m confident that I have a reasonable, logical, explanation for why the trains failed.  This explanation has nothing to do with the actual viability of RoadRailer technology as a freight transportation vehicle; nor does this explanation have anything to do with the railroads’ ability to compete for service sensitive business such as California produce.
 
            No, this logical, reasonable explanation deals with humans, not technology.  It deals with humans and their inability to grasp how to use new technology in unfamiliar ways.  That’s really the problem with RoadRailers.  Humans don’t yet know how to use them.  
 
Here’s the story.   
 
 
            From 1977 to 1985 I worked in intermodal marketing for the Illinois Central Gulf. In 1981 the ICG became the first railroad to establish regular commercial freight RoadRailer operations.  We established dedicated RoadRailer trains between Louisville, KY and Memphis, TN.  We extended the market served by these trains through over the road operations.  We ran trucks to Indianapolis and Bloomington, IN from the Louisville terminal.  We also ran trucks to Little Rock, AR from Memphis.
 
            It was our job in intermodal marketing to:  1) determine the volume of freight available in the target market, 2) identify who controlled the routing of this freight, 3) devise service and pricing packages that would put the freight on our railroad, and 4) actually get the freight on our railroad.
 
            It was generally a job that I greatly enjoyed.  I got up in the morning looking forward to work.  I left work reluctantly to go home.  I loved taking freight away from a trucker, and the ICG could do that, even with its relatively short hauls.  The railroad offered reasonably good intermodal service and had established a separate Intermodal Department, which was operated as a separate “profit center”.   Strict cost controls were in place. Equipment utilization was the rule of the day, every day.  If one of us in intermodal marketing became aware of a truckload movement on one of our “lanes”, we could generally get that freight on the railroad at a profit.
 
            But we intermodal marketing people knew this wasn’t going to happen with a RoadRailer operation between Memphis and Louisville.
 
            It wasn’t the length of the lane that scared us, even though it was less than 400 miles; a very short distance for rail intermodal to compete with direct motor movement.[iii] By necessity, the ICG intermodal department had developed expertise in competing with trucks at short distances.  The longest haul on the railroad was Chicago – New Orleans, 900 miles.  On a good day, 10 intermodal loads in each direction would be handled that distance.  That obviously wasn’t enough to justify a train, so we had to find more loads.
 
            We found those loads at shorter distances.  We found those loads between Chicago and Memphis – 500 miles; we found those loads between Memphis and New Orleans – 400 miles; and we were even finding loads, and duking it out with the truckers between Chicago and St. Louis – 275 miles.  The latter was thanks to a special “Slingshot” service made possible by the then revolutionary use of two person crews on the trains.
 
            We filled out our scheduled trains and kept the terminals busy.  A railroad is a network business and a key to profitability for a network business is to fill up the network without giving the store away.  We got pretty good at doing that.
 
            No, the short length of the haul between Louisville and Memphis didn’t bother us, what bothered us was that there wasn’t enough freight available between those two points to fill out the trains to economical lengths.
 
            But how could that be?  They made cigarettes in Louisville and they distilled whiskey in Louisville.   RCA made televisions in Bloomington, Indiana.  Think of all the people sitting around watching televisions, drinking whiskey, and smoking a cigarette. How could there not be enough freight?
 
            Easily, it was be because we could only haul an extremely small fraction of the booze, cigarettes, and televisions on the RoadRailer trains.  We could only haul the loads that were going to Memphis and Little Rock, a very small fraction of the total shipments.
 
            Why?
 
            Because RoadRailer equipment was not compatible for use in trains with other intermodal equipment, that's why.
 
 Since we couldn’t fill out the trains to economical lengths with cigarette loads for the west coast, we had to produce trains of economical size based solely on the five principal cities served.  Freight between Indianapolis/Bloomington/Louisville on the one hand and Memphis/Little Rock on the other hand was all that the RoadRailer trains could haul; and there’s simply not enough freight moving between those few points to justify daily intermodal train service.
 
We backed this finding up with freight flow data purchased from a company called Reebie Associates.  The same Bob Reebie who was behind RoadRailer had started this firm.  Reebie Associates basically took information from such sources as the Census of Transportation, government manufacturing data, per capita consumption figures, etc and produced estimates of commodity flows between geographic areas.
 
Using this data and our own market surveys, we concluded that we would have to haul one half of everything that moved between our possible origins and destinations to make the desired train sizes of 30 loads per day southbound, 20 loads per day northbound. These aren’t very big trains and that ‘Everything’ did, in fact, include everything.  It included commodities such as coal and liquid bulk chemicals that were never going to move in intermodal trailers.
 
This wasn’t going to work and those of us in intermodal marketing knew it.
 
But for whatever corporate political reasons, the trains went on anyway.  They lasted one year.  There just wasn’t enough freight between the very restricted origins and destinations.  Origins and destinations that were restricted by the fact that RoadRailers cold not operate in trains that contained other revenue equipment.
 
While the RoadRailer operation on the ICG was a commercial failure, I learned a lot from it.   Looking at other freight flow data for other origin-destination pairs I could see that the corridor targeted by the ICG for RoadRailer operation was more typical than unique.  Very few city pairs generate enough freight volume by themselves to support daily dedicated merchandise trains.
 
To deal with this situation, railroads must aggregate loads from various origins going to various destinations into economical train sizes.  For example, the BNSF Z train from Chicago to Denver also handles loads to Omaha and receives trailers and containers from many eastern origins through its Chicago terminal.  BNSF couldn’t replace the Z train with a RoadRailer operation even if it wanted to.  A RoadRailer operation could not accept the eastern origin loads for aggregation into an economical train size.  The railroad would be faced with operating two trains in lieu of one.  In addition to its RoadRailer train, it would have to operate a second expedited schedule to handle the loads that were incompatible with RoadRailers.  It is pretty evident that the need to establish such a dual operation will generally negate any economies produced through the use of RoadRailers.
 
 This ‘compatibility’ problem has continually stalled the development of RoadRailer operations since we first tried them on the ICG in 1981.
 
It’s also the same problem that another rail technology faced well over 100 years ago.
 
In his excellent book “American Narrow Gauge Railroads” George W. Hilton devotes an entire chapter to “The Incompatibility Problem”.  He starts the chapter as follows:  “The narrow gauge hypothesis had two elements:  first, the adoption of a narrow gauge would produce a variety of economies; second that the costs of incompatibility were small enough to be justified in pursuit of the economies.”[iv]
 
Substitute the word RoadRailer for “narrow gauge” and you get:  “The RoadRailer hypothesis had two elements:  first, the adoption of RoadRailers would produce a variety of economies; second that the costs of incompatibility were small enough to be justified in pursuit of the economies.”
 
It’s basically the same hypothesis and it produces the same basic problem, incompatibility.  The North American rail system is an integrated network that stretches from southern Mexico to Fairbanks, Alaska.  A lot of time, money and effort have gone into ensuring that the equipment moving through this integrated network is compatible and can be readily aggregated into economic train sizes.
 
Throw some incompatible equipment such as narrow gauge gondolas or RoadRailer trailers in to this mix and you do produce extra costs; extra costs which more than negate any efficiency produced by the equipment itself.  If you need proof of this, ponder the fact that BNSF has just shut down the Ice Cold Express and started loading the RoadRailers onto flatcars.  They did this so the RoadRailers could move as part of the cost efficient integrated network of trains on the North American rail system.
 
The BNSF didn’t quit using the trailers; they just quit using the trailers as RoadRailers.  They’re still going after that California produce market.  They just changed to using the trailers as TOFC equipment compatible with the integrated North American rail network.  The only real question is what took them so long to figure out that they needed to do this.
 
Does all this mean that the RoadRailer concept is, like the narrow gauge, doomed failure because of incompatibility?
 
Not really.  Unlike a narrow gauge gondola, a RoadRailer trailer can be made compatible with the rail network.  Amtrak runs RoadRailers behind its boxcars and passenger equipment every day.  Before it shut down the Ice Cold Express, BNSF had even gone so far as to obtain Federal Railroad Administration approval to operate its RoadRailers behind other intermodal equipment.  It can be done, but nobody except Amtrak is doing it.  Without some new thinking RoadRailer technology seems headed for the museums, right along side those narrow gauge gondolas.
 
So, does the RoadRailer technology have a place in 21st century railroading?  I think it does; but that place isn’t operating between Los Angeles and Chicago.  The failure of the Ice Cold Express pretty much proves that.  If an intermodal technology fails on that particular lane, a lane where intermodal dominates the transportation market, that technology obviously has some real problems.  But in this case the problem is not so much with the technology; no, in this case the problem is that people don’t understand how to use the technology.
 
It all traces back to Bob Reebie.  At the ICG when Mr. Reebie was making one of his first presentations introducing the RoadRailer concept, I remember someone asking him if RoadRailers could be used in mixed consists with other intermodal equipment.  His answer was very telling.  I remember him saying: “Yes, but I hope that never happens”.  He basically went on to explain that he viewed existing TOFC operations as being of such poor quality that they were not really competitive with trucking.  His vision for RoadRailer was of a pristine high quality stand alone system unsullied by what he viewed as the poor quality of the then existing intermodal service.
 
Unfortunately, Mr. Reebie’s “vision” was subsequently imprinted on his successors who unfortunately follow it today.  While the RoadRailer organization hasn’t blocked mixed consist experiments, it certainly hasn’t done much to promote such operations.  And such operations are the only way RoadRailers can be successful on a wide scale basis.
 
It centers on the railroads’ fundamental, inescapable need to aggregate shipments into trainload lots and the fact that there are very few, if any, origin – destination pairs in North America that have the volume to support such aggregation on their own. 
 
Greatly compounding RoadRailer’s aggregation problem is the fact that in all these years no one has come up with an economical method of moving maritime containers with RoadRailers in the same consists.  Think of how goofy this is.
 
Go back to the example of the BNSF Z train serving the Chicago - Denver market. If this were a RoadRailer operation what would the railroad do with a container load of export frozen beef from a Denver area meat packer?  It would normally be a simple matter to put this container load on a train and accept the shipper’s payment.  But that’s impossible to do this without a mixed consist.  Otherwise the railroad would be faced with either:  1) turning down the load and the revenue, or 2) setting up a dual intermodal system with all the attending extra costs.  In over 25 years RoadRailer hasn’t come up with a solution to this problem.  With international shipments being such a large component of rail intermodal traffic, this is a pretty big problem to just ignore.
 
After I left the ICG I was briefly employed by RoadRailer itself.  It was the same exact drill.  We tried to develop sales leads that would allow the Southern Pacific to establish a RoadRailer operation along the Pacific coast.  Campbells Soup had a manufacturing facility at Sacramento.  We hit the same problem.  Yes, we could handle the soup going to Los Angeles.  But no, the soup for Phoenix couldn’t go on the train.  Using RoadRailers the SP would have had to either:  1) turn down the Phoenix loads and their revenue, or 2) establish a dual intermodal system with all its extra costs.
 
A mixed consist operation would have allowed the SP to enjoy the economies of RoadRailer and still get the revenue for the Phoenix loads.  But mixed operation was not a goal of RoadRailer.  I had seen enough.  I became disillusioned.  Going to work became a chore instead of a challenge.  Larry Gross eventually fired me from RoadRailer.
 
Today there is a RoadRailer operation along the Pacific coast.  One train per week in each direction. It’s been at this low level of service for years. That’s well below the potential traffic level, but that’s all the traffic anybody’s been able to get using RoadRailer only consists.
 
  Think about it.  These trains are operated under contract for Swift Transportation, the largest truckload transportation company in the US.  The Southern Pacific initially operated them.  Then the UP took over the SP and the trains’ frequency was increased to twice per week in each direction.  Then the trains switched to a BNSF routing and were reduced to their current once per week schedule.
 
If the likes of Swift, SP, UP, and BNSF can’t get the traffic levels up to more than one train per week in each direction, things aren’t working very well, are they?
 
What does this mean for the future of RoadRailer?  One thing is for certain; things have to change.  RoadRailer can have a place in the North American transportation mix, but until the powers that be understand what that place is, we’re going to see more shut downs such as the Ice Cold Express and more insignificant operations such as the once a week trains between Portland and Los Angeles.
 
RoadRailers can function perfectly well as profitable adjuncts to the railway freight network in North America, but they cannot be used in isolation from other equipment moving on that network. 
 
The goal, as originally set by Mr. Reebie, should always have been to integrate RoadRailer technology into the existing railway network.  Instead, he mistakenly sought to segregate it from that network.  His basis for this segregation was his perception that existing rail intermodal service was not service competitive with trucking.  Even if he had been right, which he wasn’t, there was a fatal flaw in his thinking.
 
You don’t solve service problems with equipment.
 
If the railway service was poor, it could only be fixed though professional, disciplined operations.  It could never ever be fixed by substituting one equipment type, a RoadRailer, for another type of equipment, a TOFC trailer.
 
A railroad can give excellent service with TOFC trailers, containers, RoadRailers or even boxcars.   A railroad can also give poor service with trailers, containers, RoadRailers or boxcars.  Service quality basically has nothing to do with equipment type. Equating equipment type with service quality has been RoadRailer’s Achilles heel for over 25 years.  It’s time for somebody to start thinking.  In freight railroading, equipment type has nothing to do with service quality.  An operating department could even offer high quality service using containers loaded on friction bearing flatcars pulled by steam locomotives. 
 
            The New York Central did exactly that in the 1920’s when it established the first intermodal container service in the US; a service that was basically eventually shut down by Federal economic regulation because it ruffled too many influential political feathers. But it was a service that had been established to meet motor carrier competition.  It wassuccessfully meeting that competition, which is exactly why the politicians had to shut it down despite the fact that it was being operated with friction bearing flatcars and steam locomotives.
 
Once again, equipment type has absolutely nothing to do with service quality. So does RoadRailer have a future despite its history of limited success and multiple failures?
 
            I think so.  But Bob Reebie’s mistaken vision of a pristine, high quality, nationwide RoadRailer network operating in splendid isolation from other intermodal traffic has to be scrapped and scrapped soon.  It’s impossible to aggregate freight into economical train sizes using this business model. 
 
            One reasonable definition of insanity is doing the same exact thing over and overand expecting a different result.  How many more times will RoadRailer operations be shut down before someone comes to their senses?
 
            Just what markets could RoadRailer technology efficiently serve as part of an integrated rail intermodal system?
 
Here just one example of where they would work well on the BNSF.
 
  This railroad has two well-maintained, greatly underutilized lines running across western Nebraska and Kansas.  These lines serve an area I call the “Beef Mine”.   Per capita beef consumption in the US is 69 pounds per year.  This results in the slaughter of about 37 million head of cattle per year.  Increasingly, over the past few years, this slaughter has concentrated in a relatively few large facilities located on or near underutilized BNSF lines in Nebraska, Kansas and Colorado.  The railroad doesn’t haul any of the hundreds of loads fresh meat produced at these facilities daily and shipped long distances to east and west coast population centers.
 
This is tailor made for RoadRailer.  The railroad could pick up 10 – 20 loads per day from each beef plant by adding them to the end of an existing train.  No large capital investment for traditional TOFC/COFC lift terminals would be required.  No expensive drayage to a TOFC terminal would be required.  The road – rail transfer could take place right at the beef facility and the trailers picked up as a normal block.  Just haul the freight and send ‘em a bill.  That’s what the railroad is for.
 
There are several other such opportunities involving other commodities.  Example are lumber from sawmills, paper from paper mills and Washington State apples. Washington is to apples as Nebraska and Kansas are to beef.  Production is centered there. There are, on average, 14 loads of Washington apples shipped per day by truck to the Los Angeles area alone.  Here are the USDA statistics for apple shipments from Washington
 
State for the week of August 18-24, 2002:
 
Mode
Tons
Equivalent
Market
 
 
Truckloads
Share
 
 
 
 
Railcar
270
13
1.3%
TOFC
250
12
1.2%
Motor freight
20,715
986
97.6%
 
 
 
 
Total
21,235
1,011
100.0%
 
Note: equivalent truckloads are figured at 21 tons lading per truck.
 
This is basically pathetic.  The railroads only have a 2.5% market share of this large volume, good paying[v], long haul market – it’s a thousand loads per week for cripe sakes! (As an example, the loads to LA pay a $1.25 per truckload mile for a 1,000-mile+ haul. Any transportation professional who can’t put money on his company’s bottom line at this rate and distance should find another profession.)
 
  RoadRailers could get this market for the BNSF, the same way they could get the “Beef Mine” traffic, but they’re not being used that way.  They’re still being used as Reebie’s vision intended, a vision that has been proven wrong time and time again without being rethought.
 
The traffic is there, the equipment is there, and the trains are there.  All that is required is for someone to figure out that this is where RoadRailers fit.  It’s not a problem with the technology; it’s a problem with people knowing how to use the technology.
 
Bob Reebie got it wrong in 1980.  He sought to segregate RoadRailer operations from the North American rail network.  He should have sought to integrate RoadRailers into that network.  His unfortunate thoughtless legacy continues with the demise of the Ice Cold Express.
 
Unless and until some people in power start to think and come to understand the potential and proper uses of RoadRailers this promising technology seems destined to be little more than an interesting part of railroad history.  Kind of like a narrow gauge gondola.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 

 



Idea Until the late 1970s, rail rates on produce were regulated and held constant by the Interstate Commerce Commission.  Motor freight rates on produce were never regulated.  This meant the motor rates could move with market demand.  Produce is seasonal, with peak shipments in the summer.  In response, the truckers charged more in the summer and less in the winter, when demand was less.  This is the principal of supply and demand as taught in Economics 101.

 

The railroads couldn’t do this because of the Federal Regulations.  This meant the railroads had to sell transportation at below market rates in the summer when demand was high.  It also meant that their equipment sat idle in the winter when the truckers would undercut the rail rates as necessary.  The railroads couldn’t make money:  1) selling below market price during peak demand season, or 2) having equipment sit idle during slack demand.  They got out of the business.

 

The almost 100% shift of long haul California produce from rail to truck was not due to any real advantage the truckers have for this long haul business.  It was overwhelmingly due to misguided Federal economic regulation.

 

 

[ii] According to the August, 2002 “Railway Age”, the railroad retained only 2% to 8% of this business “depending on the season and the availability of competing modes.”

 

 

[iii] The Canadian National is now operating commercial RoadRailer service between Montreal and Toronto, a distance of 335 miles.  Intermodal can compete at that distance if there is enough freight available.

 

 

[iv]“American Narrow Gauge Railroads”, p 240.

 

 

[v] For the week of August 18-24, 2002 the USDA reported that the average truckload charge for moving a load of apples from the Yakima Valley to Los Angeles was $1,300 for about 1,037 miles of transportation.  This is $1.25 per mile.

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Saturday, September 19, 2015 10:56 AM

greyhounds

It was only a matter of time.  I've been surprised that RoadRailer lasted this long.

 

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Posted by greyhounds on Friday, September 18, 2015 10:18 PM

It was only a matter of time.  I've been surprised that RoadRailer lasted this long.

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Posted by BaltACD on Friday, September 18, 2015 6:59 PM

chutton01

 


BTW, it's not 40 jobs eliminated, it's 40 jobs remaining:

 
approximately 240 employees. NS expects to downsize the workforce by about 200 employees by the end of the year
 

My mistake.

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Posted by chutton01 on Friday, September 18, 2015 4:50 PM

You don't need to read too deeply between the lines to see Triple Crown service will be phased out in due time in favor of regular intermodal:

The railroad will work with shippers and logistics partners to convert other business handled by Triple Crown Services into Norfolk Southern's current intermodal network. 
...
TCS will continue RoadRailer service for automobile parts between Detroit and Kansas City for the foreseeable future but will transition to containers in other NS lanes.

Guess this more or less answers a question posted awhile ago about what will happen when the existing TC Roadrailer trailer fleet wears out.

BTW, it's not 40 jobs eliminated, it's 40 jobs remaining:
approximately 240 employees. NS expects to downsize the workforce by about 200 employees by the end of the year
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NS restructering Triple Crown
Posted by BaltACD on Friday, September 18, 2015 3:39 PM

NS restructering Triple Crown - to autoparts between Detroit & KC - 40 jobs eliminated.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/norfolk-southern-restructures-triple-crown-services-subsidiary-300145559.html

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