Thanks for the above, Greyhounds. I forgot about the vital S.P. component.
I worked for U.P. in Cheyenne, 1966-72, and will never forget the warm-weather parade of solid perishable trains, the "Green Fruits." I was properly impressed with the volume of business ... but had no baseline to compare it with. (Never considered it might have been even more at one time.)
Why have the Roadrailer people been so adamant about keeping their equipment in dedicated trains? The only reason I can think of is that the slack action at the end of a train might be too violent for their trailers.
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dakotafredGreyhounds: Re. produce: If rail rates were held below market in the summertime, shouldn't this have worked to the rails' advantage? (The opposite of the winter situation.) And didn't service problems on the Penn Central play a role in loss of this time-sensitive traffic? I don't remember from my reading when the erosion started, except I believe it was also coincident with the filling in of the Interstate highway system. (Don't get me wrong. I'm not defending the ICC for a minute.)
Well, no.
If the railroads could sell a load for $5,000 and the government only let them charge $4,000 they weren't being "helped". They were being hurt.
The Union Pacific Historical Society's publication "The Streamliner" had a good two part series on UP's last efforts to retain the California perishables in their Spring and Summer issues of 2012. The writer was Rob Leachman who was with UP management when this happened. He's now a PhD on the faculty at UC Berkley.
I'm going from memory here, but Leachman doesn't put the blame on PC service problems. He cites the holding down of rates by the ICC as causing the originating carrier, the SP, to loose interest in providing the required service levels. The SP's reasoning was that they weren't allowed to make any money on this business so why bust their butt to provide the service.
The Interstate System certainly made long haul trucking more competitive will all rail movement. But at the distances involved, 2,000 to 3,000 miles, the rails should have retained a significant cost advantage for this business. They could provide the service needed. It's just that the freaking ICC removed much, if not all, incentive for them to provide that service.
The demise of RoadRailer mirrors the demise of its primary customer: auto assembly outside of the one day drive from Detroit market. As the Big Three have retrenched their operations to around Detroit (with a few exceptions), RoadRailer has seen its customer base shrinking.
At the same time "conventional" intermodal, COFC and double stacks have grown steadily between all the same points RoadRailer serves. And the demise of the produce express RoadRailer service also parallels the growth of new refrigerated container service.
Coupled with the aging of current RoadRailer equipment and the fact that a regular container can be loaded heavier than a RoadRailer trailer, shippers are being enticed to switch service to containerized intermodal. The railroads don't have to buy new RoadRailer equipment and shippers get to ship heavier loads at the same or lower prices.
It's the same logic that is seeing major trucking companies like JB Hunt, Schneider and Swift switching to containers and letting railroads perform the long haul instead of investing in new trailers and over the road tractors.
The trucking company division I drove for lost a major contract to our own intermodal division because the costs for one truckload of laundry detergent to be driven from Ohio to the west coast would pay for ten containers to be shipped from North Baltimore to the west coast.
Both long-haul trucking and RoadRailer are at cost disadvantages to conventional intermodal and as the railroads and shippers work to squeeze even more costs out of the equation it will become impossible to compete against containerized freight.
Greyhounds:
Re. produce: If rail rates were held below market in the summertime, shouldn't this have worked to the rails' advantage? (The opposite of the winter situation.)
And didn't service problems on the Penn Central play a role in loss of this time-sensitive traffic? I don't remember from my reading when the erosion started, except I believe it was also coincident with the filling in of the Interstate highway system.
(Don't get me wrong. I'm not defending the ICC for a minute.)
I have thought this for a while, that the whole problem is that they don't run Roadrailers WITH other intermodal equipment.
Why, could you not, build the train with regular TOFC/COFC/Well cars, THEN the fancy couplermate adapter car, with the Roadrailers last? Amtrak can do it, why don't the freight carriers catch on?
But, if the upper level guys and girls at Roadrailer dislike the idea...... That would explain things.
Someone who has the guts to pull off the disliked "mixed train" with Roadrailers in the mix could stand to make lots of money, and set the standard for all of the others to try to reach.
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I wrote this well over 10 years ago. It's certainly dated, but it's basic premis is still true.
The Problem with RoadRailers
Secondly, this is yet another setback for RoadRailer. For a while, it looked as if the Ice Cold Express might be RoadRailer’s big break through. A major railroad had made a major investment in refrigerated RoadRailer equipment for the first time. Two intermodal marketing companies, Alliance Shippers and Clipper Exxpress, also joined the operation. These companies also made substantial investments in the service by purchasing their own
equipment to operate in the trains. The CN established a connecting RoadRailer Service to Toronto and Montreal. These cities are both major markets for California produce. CSX established its own connecting service to the US east coast. It looked as if RoadRailer might be finally on its way.
Until the late 1970s, rail rates on produce were regulated and held constant by the Interstate Commerce Commission. Motor freight rates on produce were never regulated. This meant the motor rates could move with market demand. Produce is seasonal, with peak shipments in the summer. In response, the truckers charged more in the summer and less in the winter, when demand was less. This is the principal of supply and demand as taught in Economics 101.
The railroads couldn’t do this because of the Federal Regulations. This meant the railroads had to sell transportation at below market rates in the summer when demand was high. It also meant that their equipment sat idle in the winter when the truckers would undercut the rail rates as necessary. The railroads couldn’t make money: 1) selling below market price during peak demand season, or 2) having equipment sit idle during slack demand. They got out of the business.
The almost 100% shift of long haul California produce from rail to truck was not due to any real advantage the truckers have for this long haul business. It was overwhelmingly due to misguided Federal economic regulation.
[ii] According to the August, 2002 “Railway Age”, the railroad retained only 2% to 8% of this business “depending on the season and the availability of competing modes.”
[iii] The Canadian National is now operating commercial RoadRailer service between Montreal and Toronto, a distance of 335 miles. Intermodal can compete at that distance if there is enough freight available.
[iv]“American Narrow Gauge Railroads”, p 240.
[v] For the week of August 18-24, 2002 the USDA reported that the average truckload charge for moving a load of apples from the Yakima Valley to Los Angeles was $1,300 for about 1,037 miles of transportation. This is $1.25 per mile.
greyhounds It was only a matter of time. I've been surprised that RoadRailer lasted this long.
It was only a matter of time. I've been surprised that RoadRailer lasted this long.
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chutton01 BTW, it's not 40 jobs eliminated, it's 40 jobs remaining: approximately 240 employees. NS expects to downsize the workforce by about 200 employees by the end of the year
BTW, it's not 40 jobs eliminated, it's 40 jobs remaining:
approximately 240 employees. NS expects to downsize the workforce by about 200 employees by the end of the year
My mistake.
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You don't need to read too deeply between the lines to see Triple Crown service will be phased out in due time in favor of regular intermodal:
The railroad will work with shippers and logistics partners to convert other business handled by Triple Crown Services into Norfolk Southern's current intermodal network. ...TCS will continue RoadRailer service for automobile parts between Detroit and Kansas City for the foreseeable future but will transition to containers in other NS lanes.
NS restructering Triple Crown - to autoparts between Detroit & KC - 40 jobs eliminated.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/norfolk-southern-restructures-triple-crown-services-subsidiary-300145559.html
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