Other than sand, salt, cement and concrete what other commodities are carried in the two bay covered hoppers?
Sugar, Clay, Glass, Anthracite Coal (for water filters), Limestone Flux (for making steel)
Sugar is unlikely to be found in such cars; it's usually transported in cars the size of grain hoppers (5161-5250 cubic feet) with sealed hatches and gravity-pneumatic outlets.
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The Reading had a lot of 2 bay and 3 bay covered hoppers assigned to sugar service. They were easily identified by a blue box containing the "Return to" instructions and by the blue lines above and below the road name and car number.
Those were probably 50 ton cars.
Typical 100 ton grain car is 4500 cubic feet +/-. Wheat weighs 60 pounds per bushell. 3300 bushels is 198,000#. I do not have bushel/cuft conversion handy, and wheat cars loaded cubic full are overloaded by weight.
Modern cars 100 or 110 ton 2 bay cars are small cube compared to grain. Small cube means dense material something 65-70 pounds per cubic foot. I doubt that sugar is that dense.
Mac
PNWRMNM Those were probably 50 ton cars. Typical 100 ton grain car is 4500 cubic feet +/-. Wheat weighs 60 pounds per bushell. 3300 bushels is 198,000#. I do not have bushel/cuft conversion handy, and wheat cars loaded cubic full are overloaded by weight. Modern cars 100 or 110 ton 2 bay cars are small cube compared to grain. Small cube means dense material something 65-70 pounds per cubic foot. I doubt that sugar is that dense. Mac
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These look to be 2-bay sugar hoppers.
http://thecrhs.org/Images/CR-8719-switching-Jack-Frost-Sugar-Refinery
Photo courtesey of the Conrail Historical Society's page. They had a lot of tight, urban running down there in Philly. I wonder if that is why they used 2-bays.
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Could well be. A lot of trackage down there was 250 ft. radius = 23 degree curves, from back in the day of 40 ft. box cars.
There was and still is a surprising collection of candy makers, brewers, bakeries, beverage makes/ bottlers, etc. that would use sugar in the greater Philadelphia/ eastern PA area - much of which came into the Port of Philadelphia back in the day - which may explain why the Reading had so many 2-bays dedicated to that service. For example, in addition to the one referenced in the photo that zugmann linked, there's a little chocolate outfit in Hershey (ex-RDG main line), Blommer Chocolate in East Greenville (35 miles N. of Philly, ex-RDG Perkiomen Branch), etc.
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So what do they use nowadays? I'm pretty sure the cars in this picture would be retired by now.I'm surprised to hear you mention Blommer...I would have thought that their plant just outside the Loop was their only one (go down to the City on a quiet morning and the chocolate smell pervades everything!). They, by the way, use modern Trinity-built three-bay (gravity-pneumatic outlets) covered hoppers for their sugar. (Blommer has spurs on two levels in Chicago--the sugar comes in on the higher level.)Question: how many of these plants that used to use sugar now use high-fructose corn syrup, which is still delivered in tank cars able to negotiate curves like that?
CShaveRRSo what do they use nowadays? I'm pretty sure the cars in this picture would be retired by now.
Mill was torn down in the 1980s. Not much of an issue anymore. Still a branch or two down there with restrictions. Part of the reason NS still rosters those anceint sw1001s, I've been told.
zugmannMill was torn down in the 1980s. Not much of an issue anymore. Still a branch or two down there with restrictions. Part of the reason NS still rosters those anceint sw1001s, I've been told.
The 1,300,000-square-foot (120,000 m2) casino complex is located on the 22-acre (8.9 ha) site of the former Jack Frost Sugar Refinery, hence the "SugarHouse" name.
AMFX 10100 series, ARI Through Sill, 3260 CU FT 2-bay covered hoppers are used to carry the mineral perlite for World Minerals across the USA.
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http://www.blommer.com/_images/Blommer_difference/Locations-Map-xlg.jpg
Paul:
What does the bloomer map that you posted represent as far as 2 baby hoppers are concerned?
CShaveRR [snipped - PDN] . . . I'm surprised to hear you mention Blommer...I would have thought that their plant just outside the Loop was their only one (go down to the City on a quiet morning and the chocolate smell pervades everything!). They, by the way, use modern Trinity-built three-bay (gravity-pneumatic outlets) covered hoppers for their sugar. (Blommer has spurs on two levels in Chicago--the sugar comes in on the higher level.) . . .
Blommer Chocolate Company
600 West Kinzie St. Chicago, IL 60610
N 41 53.378' W 87 38.578'
Right next to some very impressive main line curves !
-Paul North.
Paul what commodities did they bring in to the factory in 2 bay hoppers?
No idea, as to either the Chicago or East Greenville (PA) plants - never been to the Chicago one, and was mostly at the PA one during construction and occasional maintenance inspections and work, and not paying attention to the cars.
My point is just to support zugmann's observation about RDG hauling sugar in 2-bay hoppers for the plants with tight curves in Philadelphia, by naming the types and names of a couple of them. That led to a coincidental observation from Carl, about 2 Blommer Chocolate plants, where each of us knew about 1 but not the other. That's all.
zugmannPart of the reason NS still rosters those anceint sw1001s, I've been told.
Ancient? Not really, they're contempories of most of the Class 1 switcher fleet today and NS has plenty of road power as well of that vintage.
The only thing particularly unusual about them is their horsepower rating, which isn't very common these days on Class 1's (Outside of maybe a modern genset and such here and there, only a handful of 1,000 hp switchers on CSX and Amtrak remain, along with a sole SW900 on duty for CPR and a SW1 on Amtrak which are both sub-1000 hp and I suspect are shop switchers).
All other Class 1 switchers are above the 1,000 HP threshold.
caldreamer Other than sand, salt, cement and concrete what other commodities are carried in the two bay covered hoppers? Concrete? You didn't give this question a lot of thought, did you?
Concrete? You didn't give this question a lot of thought, did you?
Leo_AmesAncient? Not really, they're contempories of most of the Class 1 switcher fleet today and NS has plenty of road power as well of that vintage.
Bah... if it's older than me, it's ancient.
Hey, I represent that remark . . .
Link to one of Chris Toth's absolutely great webpages on NS' current locomotive roster: http://www.nsdash9.com/roster.html
And to the page on the 6 each 1,000 HP SW1001's currently active - all ex-Reading, from late 1973: http://www.nsdash9.com/rosters/2100.html
There are others on the NS roster of greater horsepower a few lines further down - 83 MP15's and rebuilds at 1,500 HP, plus 1 at 2,100 HP.
There are alos a surprising number of "ancient" end-cab switchers at various power plants and other industries, such as quarries, and cold-storage plants around here. For example, Perryville (MD) Cold Storage has an SW1 (600 HP, per: http://www.thedieselshop.us/Data%20EMD%20SW1.HTML ) - see:
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2305164 and
http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?2,1477462
As does the affiliated Conestoga Cold Storage, per the Trainorders.com thread above and the photo at the companuy's webpage:
http://www.mhwgroup.com/companies/chambersburg-cold-storage
Near the microcenter in Evendale (ish) just off the highway, there is an industry that takes about three CSX two bay covered hoppers. It's some sort of stone company. Whatever the hoppers are hauling, the cars themselves are important enough to get a tan paintjob with the boxcar logo.
I'm going to tell you more when I find out more. In the meantime I'll wait till dawn to check it out. ( I've been afraid of the dark ever since I Played five nights at Freddie's)
man those jumpscares are freaky.
zugmann CShaveRR So what do they use nowadays? I'm pretty sure the cars in this picture would be retired by now. Mill was torn down in the 1980s. Not much of an issue anymore. Still a branch or two down there with restrictions. Part of the reason NS still rosters those anceint sw1001s, I've been told.
CShaveRR So what do they use nowadays? I'm pretty sure the cars in this picture would be retired by now.
Those SW1001s can go where nothing else could. Low profile roof and swivel butt couplers were there to get into some really tight places...
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Another commodity - granules used to make roof shingles. There was a good-sized manufacturer in the UP of Michigan at one time - most Class I manifest freights out of Chicago always seemed to have 3-4 Wisconsin Central 2-bay hoppers of them. WC was building them new for quite some time.
According to http://www.thedieselshop.us/Data%20EMD%20SW1000.HTML , their sharpest curve/ minimum radius is 39 degrees, roughly 147 - 150 ft. Wow ! That's almost trolley-car type radius !
(I once helped 'shepherd' a GP38 that was trapped by a derailment of part of its train over a curve that sharp to escape, but that was definitely a 'one-of' operation.)
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the company is continental mineral go, and it appears to be zircon.
they have a front end loader shove cars into position when they need it.
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