BroadwayLion There are parallel tracks, there are no switches in this area, MAS is 75. ROAR
There are parallel tracks, there are no switches in this area, MAS is 75.
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What "lots of questions"? Only one question: what caused the wreck? You have, DMUINCT presented an initial and partial answer: The eastbound train apparently derailed fouling the westbound track and was struck by the westbound train. Initial and partial and very much conjecture until the railroad and investigating agencies give us their final answers. But you have given us a very plausible answer or scenario which has happened man times before. So the next question is: why did the eastbound train derail? And that will lead to the final answers.
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There are parallel tracks, there are no switches in this area, MAS is 75. Each train was on its own tracks, and MNCR trains have cab signals. All is recorded on the little black boxes.
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Bucyrus Is there any theory as to why the first train derailed?
Is there any theory as to why the first train derailed?
Most recent press article I read is speculating on a broken rail. Further investigation is taking place.
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There are powered switches at Green's Farms (47.2), Southport (48.9),.Fairfield (where the crash ocurred) (50.6).
According to my SPV there is not a CP near the derailment location. CPs at Bridgeport (CP255) && Westport (CP 244 ) are closest.. The loose rail that we are observing is probably removed rail from the bridge that is being replaced. Does anyone know if the bridge that the derailment occurred has been replaced yet ?
Now a broken rail has been found and will be investigated.
http://news.yahoo.com/official-broken-rail-eyed-conn-train-crash-220910803.html
Norm48327Did this conflict occure because one train derailed and ran into another train?
According to the news reports that is exactly what did happen. And the train that derailed had a large part of the side sheared off of one car.
Seems to me that because this is a double track line, each train would have authority on its' own line in its' direction of travel. But when one train basically jumps into the path of an opposing train, a collision will occur. Yet another example where PTC would be of no help.
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"Did this conflict occure because one train derailed and ran into another train?
--Or--
Did this conflict occur because one train overran its authority and struck another train?"
That's what NTSB wants to know.
Norm
zugmann Bucyrus tree68 I'm hearing (informally) that it was a derailment. Which train derailed first? The one that got hit.
Bucyrus tree68 I'm hearing (informally) that it was a derailment. Which train derailed first?
tree68 I'm hearing (informally) that it was a derailment.
I'm hearing (informally) that it was a derailment.
Which train derailed first?
The one that got hit.
Maybe I should rephrase my question:
Did this conflict occure because one train derailed and ran into another train?
Did this conflict occur because one train overran its authority and struck another train?
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I am wondering if a train picked a switch or somehow derailed when passing through a switch; and that caused the train to foul the route of another train.
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Did one train initially derail and come into conflict with the other train; or did one train first foul the route of the other by entering a conflicting route?
The aerial view seems to suggest that latter.
According to this morning's newspaper, the eastbound train derailed near the border of Fairfield and Bridgeport, CT. The westbound train then hit the derailed train. About 60 people were injured and a few had serious injuries..
This looks like another accident type that would NOT be prevented by PTC.
Look at the Google map image for this location; it shows the (considerable!) bridge work in progress. At the time of the image I see, the deck for the track the EB train was on was removed (showing the road underneath clearly) and you can see the break in the concrete-tied track.
Incidentally, can somebody explain to me why a double crossover would be placed on a bridge?
If I read the map correctly, this was close to the Fairfield Metro station, so relatively limited speed. It will be interesting to see the digital re-creations of this incident -- especially regarding how so deep a 'bite' could be taken out of the carbody with the trains remaining so substantially parallel.
Looks more like a derailment than a collision. I think the crews for the most part are off the hook , however I'm sure that there will be a normal investigation concerning the crews. Next up .. drug and background checks for car inspectors and track inspectors...
Randy
edblysard Well, Let’s hope neither of the train’s engineers were the slightest bit overweight, had any medical issues at all, and never worked an evening night or split shift.
Well,
Let’s hope neither of the train’s engineers were the slightest bit overweight, had any medical issues at all, and never worked an evening night or split shift.
Oh boy. Let's see what the next great crusade from the NTSB will be.
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This is some overhead shots:
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2013/05/18/raw-train-derailment-aerials.wabc.html
Looks like the 3rd and 4th cars derailed on the eastbound.
Hope everyone survives this.
Comment site was where Metro North was doing a bridge replacement. Not sure if this is Conn Dot or Amtrak tracks..
Fortunately, no fatailities are reported so far.
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Metro-North-Trains-Collide-Bridgeport-Connecticut-Several-People-Hurt-207944571.html
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/05/17/metro-north-trains-involved-in-major-derailment-injuries-reported/
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