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Posted by zugmann on Monday, January 16, 2012 10:30 AM

Was a balmy 12 degrees here last night.  Spotted a new car in a warehouse that is about 80 degrees inside.  The steam coming off of the cars I had in the building looked like something from the gates of hell.   Pretty cool stuff, this railroading at times.

 

 

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:01 AM

The sky is falling here, flake by flake (and it's getting colder, too).  We're supposed to have four to eight inches of the stuff by this time tomorrow.  By this time tomorrow, we were supposed to be headed east and north to Michigan, but that little jaunt has been scrubbed--it's supposed to be worse on the other side of the lake from us, and there's no way to avoid the snow belt.

I was able to run my errands by bicycle yesterday (and after I was done, I went trackside and lingered until the last headlight disappeared).

In connection with its sesquicentennial, the Union Pacific is inviting municipalities along its line to become "Union Pacific Communities".  I'm not sure what that will entail, but interested communities are supposed to have a 500-word application statement.  Our village sent its request to the local historical society, who found a certain editor's spouse... I think the historical society and village were both happy with the 400 words I came up with.

Speaking of bicycles, I found out that my older granddaughter has taken advantage of the heretofore nice weather in January to learn to ride a "two-wheeler".  My younger granddaughter took great delight in sharing this news with me (she was genuinely proud of her big sister...of course, the younger one has been able to ride since last summer, and can still ride circles around her!).


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Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:51 PM

Well, if you're looking for a project to kill some time, and don't mind burning up a little ink from your printer, go to http://photobucket.com/CantonIsland, print off the first 14 "Panorama" images, and "stitch" them together. 

Taken in 1971 or 1972, this series of pictures show the view from the top of the weather radar tower (which I was there to maintain) - a shot of which is also included in the album.  The site is a coral atoll about 1800 miles SSW of Hawaii.

Canton (now Kanton) Island is about 4 miles wide and 9 miles long, with a lagoon in the middle.  The lighter colored water is the lagoon.  The darker water, across the island, is the Pacific Ocean.

We were there to observe the "landing" of missiles launched from Vandenberg AFB, CA. 

Plugging S 2.76982 W 171.71686 into Acme Mapper (or any other such program) will put you right about where the tower was.  Most of the buildings in the images are gone now, I suspect dismantled by scavengers.

Curiously, many of the older buildings still stand, although it appears that little remains of the buildings on the "south side," or "British side" of the island.  If you scroll down the island, over the channel, you'll see several interesting formations on the lagoon shoreline.  Those were part of the facilities for Pan Am's clippers, which stopped at Canton in the days before planes could make it all the way to Australia.

I spent an interesting year there.  The skindiving was spectacular.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, January 11, 2012 8:52 AM

Yup...got those in Elmhurst.  You see the lunar during the morning Fleet run behind nearly every scoot that goes through there.

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Posted by jeffhergert on Tuesday, January 10, 2012 10:50 PM

I don't know if all control points can give a Restricting (slang; come along) but many can.  That is if the dispatcher lines up a following move.  There are even a few old CNW three headed signals that use a lunar indication for this.

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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:33 PM

Carl - I think I've seen that phenomenon at Deshler.  With ATCS available there, one can see what the DS has lined up, and I'm pretty sure there was a following movement so aligned one night.  I don't remember the exact movements, or whether the next train finally got green or came in on an approach.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:09 PM

Frustration today, but I received a bit of knowledge in the process.

After the eastbound scoot had left the station at Lombard and passed the new control point, I saw something I'd never seen before there:  a Restricting signal (flashing red over red), giving permission for a following train to proceed through the control point without stopping, prepared to stop short within half the range of vision, etc., etc.  Naturally, I expected that something might be following our scoot fairly closely.  But I waited while the signal changed from flashing red to yellow, to flashing yellow, to green...nothing (keep in mind that anything other than solid red indicates that the dispatcher has lined up a move).  I continued to wait...went to the depot for a while, back to a store, saw a westbound stack train, but there was still no eastbound when I finally gave up more than a half hour later.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Monday, January 9, 2012 9:09 PM

Congratulations, Tom!  Only three more and you can get that third week of vacation!

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Posted by erikem on Monday, January 9, 2012 8:41 PM

Zug,

Congratulations!  I finished my 20th year at work last week, and had almost two years before that as a consultant.

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Monday, January 9, 2012 4:09 PM

"+1"  Bow  Thumbs Up  Did you get a stripe for your uniform sleeve ?  Or at least a vest ?  Smile, Wink & Grin

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Posted by zardoz on Monday, January 9, 2012 3:57 PM

zugmann

Well, it's official: I just finished up my 5th year on the railroad. 

Congratulations!  CakeStarStarStarStarStar

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Posted by zugmann on Monday, January 9, 2012 3:02 PM

Well, it's official: I just finished up my 5th year on the railroad.  Now I'm one step closer to almost having a clue as to what I'm doing out here.  But still a long way to go...

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Sunday, January 8, 2012 9:58 PM

Further on Jeff's posts: Didn't some great and widely-respected ex-C&NW rules guru retire from the UP this past year, or the year before ?  MIght it be that his replacement isn't quite as sharp (for whatever reason), hence this snafu ?

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Sunday, January 8, 2012 9:50 PM

In response to Larry's post: Particularly if you can then isolate and focus on the few questions that almost everyone is having trouble with, and the answer(s) that are taking them astray - it becomes pretty clear.

zug - LOL !  Laugh  Thumbs Up  I rest my case . . .  

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Posted by tree68 on Sunday, January 8, 2012 7:29 PM

We've encountered this with the state EMT tests.  Every now and then a test will come across with dismal scores.  It's quite obvious that the problem isn't the students - it's very unlikely one particular group would be that bad statewide.

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Posted by zugmann on Sunday, January 8, 2012 5:16 PM

Our managers have to take the new rules test every year before they can give the classes. How do I know?

 

They've asked me for help.

 

 

 

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Sunday, January 8, 2012 5:03 PM

jeffhergert
  [snipped]  Some, including it sounds like some officers, think the test might be flawed.  Especially the part that refers to Air Brake/Train Handling rules.  We are getting a new AB/TH rule book in a week or two.  The correct answers on the test reflect the new book, not the current rules.  Not everyone has yet received the new book.  Some rules have been changed. 

  "Left Hand, meet Right Hand . . . " Whistling  Or, with the high percentage not passing based on the numbers that Jeff cited, a real question of "Who's out of step here ?" is raised.  Did that many people with umpty-ump years of seniority really just become dumb and unqualified to operate a train, as they did the only day before ?  Did MicroSoft write the new rule book, the guidelines, or the test, or were those tasks 'outsourced' to overseas or a lowest bidder who knows zilch about railroad air brake operations ?

Actually, it might be a good idea to have a couple officers/ managers who ought to know the subject - RFE's, Air Brake Supervisors, etc. - take the test, and see if they too have trouble passing it.  I'll withhold any cynicism about that, but if enough don't, then maybe someone will realize that for sure the test is flawed, not the people taking it.   

If not - and those numbers of crewmen are mindlessly discharged - I want to be first in line for tickets to watch the hearing after the union 'grieves' that the test is factually incorrect and unfair, it goes to arbitration, and expert witnesses proceed to demonstrate 'chapter and verse' where the test is wrong.  But it'll never get that far - the disruption to train operations in the meantime caused by a lack of qualified crews will cause questions to be asked, explanations demanded, and orders to be given that will restore some sanity to the process.  Not all change is progress, anad it does go wrong sometimes . . . Whistling

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Posted by Deggesty on Sunday, January 8, 2012 3:29 PM

Jeff, Larry, I understand perfectly why knowledge of rules is essential to road work. Apparently not all the test writers know what they are asking.

The last eight years I worked, I had to be certified to ship hazmat by air and by ground, and I was recertified every other year for air and every third year for ground. Actually, we were not graded for our knowledge of the instruction, but were passed if we attended all the sessions. The carrier drivers also had to have knowledge of the regulations--and from time to time I had to instruct them (the first time I shipped "empty" gas cylinders, the truck driver told me he could not accept all of my shipment as it was--and he was right). Once a government inspector came by and wanted to see my certification papers; had I not had them, I would have not been allowed to ship. He also looked at the hazmat that was in my care to make certain that everything was marked as it should be. The air regulations were much stricter than the ground regulations (no inhalation hazard gases at all, among other things).

When I compare ETT's of several years ago with more recent ones, it is obvious that the proper care with hazmat has become more serious.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Sunday, January 8, 2012 3:24 PM

I'm so glad that's all behind me.  Each time, before I'd take my tests, I'd be hearing rumors about how the one coming up was harder than before.  I managed to pass them all, usually by comfortable margins,  But I was uncomfortable afterwards, especially about air brake rules, since I never had the occasion to make brake tests or inspections in the course of my job (on the hump, air is The Enemy!).

(Note...a lot of the yard guys complained about the signals covered on the tests, how they'd never have to use those, etc.  That wasn't a problem for me--I was a railfan, and use those signals to figure out what I'm about to see happen.  They never gave me a bit of worry!)

The last three or four times I took the test, we had a couple of facilitators--yard men like ourselves who would conduct the study classes.  They were not able to actually administer the tests--a manager had to do that.  But I understand that they no longer have "agreement" trainers.  I'm not sure the managers have the same interest in having "their" people pass the tests and understand what they're doing afterwards.

Jeff, I was lucky in a way--I never had to take the number of tests that you, an engineer, have to!

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Posted by tree68 on Sunday, January 8, 2012 1:39 PM

We do rules every year, and brakes every other year.  Add to that "special interest" stuff like the recent electronic device mandates and it turns into a long weekend (we're mostly volunteer).

On top of that, the passing score on a couple of the tests was 100%.  No room for error or a misinterpreted question.

With conductor certification coming, it's just gonna get more involved. 

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Posted by jeffhergert on Sunday, January 8, 2012 1:31 PM

One day last week I showed up for work just as the first group to take this year's rules test were tying up.  12 out of 17 failed it.  One who just passed it by one question said to me, "A lot of good railroaders failed it."

On another forum, populated mostly by railroaders, a person from Chicago said 33 out of 40 failed it.  On the second try, 24 of the 33 failed it again.  (Normally, two strikes and you're out although I know of some who've been given a third, final chance before.)

Some, including it sounds like some officers, think the test might be flawed.  Especially the part that refers to Air Brake/Train Handling rules.  We are getting a new AB/TH rule book in a week or two.  The correct answers on the test reflect the new book, not the current rules.  Not everyone has yet received the new book.  Some rules have been changed.

I haxe to take it in October.  I have the study guide.  A few have said the study guide this time around doesn't really help with the test.  Some of the questions on the study guide are. in my opinion, questionable.  They don't belong on a test.  As an example, one question sets up a scenario where you're being tested by a manager in the field with a red board.  The question doesn't ask what actions you take, but is this a valid test?  Validity or fairness of a manager's field test is usually decided later.  Sometimes on appeal of discipline when a person has failed, sometimes to stop a precedent from being set when they passed.

I guess that should be added to the "life of a young conductor."  Every couple of years you have to retake and pass the rules tests to keep your job.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Friday, January 6, 2012 9:09 PM

UMLER could have bogus info on this car.  Gravity-pneumatic outlets aren't always dramatically different from straight-gravity outlets.  I was surprised by the identical dimensions and different capacity, as shown in UMLER. 

If you say these cars were built by ARI, and the 5200-cubic-foot capacity shown in UMLER is correct, they are Through-Sill cars (look like Center Flows, but have a distinct center sill, which Center Flows lack).


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Posted by zugmann on Friday, January 6, 2012 8:59 PM

CShaveRR

 

Couldn't tell you right now who the previous operator of this car was; it seems to be one-of-a-kind on the Everest Railcar Services roster.  (EAMX 5201 is similar--same dimensions, but a different volume and gravity-pneumatic outlets.)  I'll get back to you on this in a couple of weeks, when my contact for such info returns from his vacation/surgery recovery.

 

 

Funny you mention the 5201 as it was tagging along for the ride with its brother.  Didn't appear to be pneumatic, I think it was identical to the 5200.  But I wasn't paying that close of attention to it.

 

No biggie, just caught my eye.  Probably because of the 2 sequential numbers.

 

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by CShaveRR on Friday, January 6, 2012 4:55 PM

Busy monitoring news about CSX's mishap in northwestern Indiana today.  There are a couple of threads already on this.

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This scenario took place over about 30 minutes this afternoon (don't worry; those crossovers are really connected and functional!). 

First train through:  westbound scoot, traveling 3 to 3.

About ten minutes later, an eastbound stack train came, crossing from 2 to 3.  As he was passing, I noticed another headlight to the east. 

It was a westbound manifest (probably MPRDM).  As soon as he got the signal, the signal behind me (Finley Road) also cleared up for him, and he came straight through, 2 to 2.  And, I could see still another headlight to the east!

By the time the hind end of the manifest cleared me, I could see that the next westbound was moving, and crossing over from 1 to 2.  He had come west on what is (according to common perception--we know better!) the eastbound track.  It was another manifest, one with NS power behind the two UP units (MELNP?).  By the time he got to the Finley Road signal it was flashing yellow.

What's neat about this is that the next eastbound scoot would be coming on Track 1 in about 10 or 15 minutes.  To maintain that schedule, he would have been well past Turner on Track 1, so the westbound manifest had to clear him at the Lombard crossover.  I have no clue what was happening at Elmhurst that caused the dispatcher to send him out on Track 1 to begin with, but it's nice to see that they're becoming accustomed to having the CP Y019 option!

 

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Posted by CShaveRR on Friday, January 6, 2012 3:42 PM

Middle school/Junior High is absolutely the worst...people seem to be able to dish it out, but don't know how to take it.  And it's the ones who are too nice to dish it out who wind up getting it.

http://trib.com/news/state-and-regional/family-bullying-to-blame-in-wyoming--year-old-s/article_f75be98c-cde6-5b00-8834-b5b04a805925.html

Back in a minute, with another pretty move involving our new crossover in town...

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Posted by tree68 on Friday, January 6, 2012 10:47 AM

CShaveRR

I've been increasingly bothered by the story of the suicide of young Alex Frye in Cheyenne a week or so ago. 

I hadn't heard the cause of his death until now.  Bullying has been around since time immemorial.  Of course, that doesn't make it right, but it's only been in the fairly recent past that the way "out" seems to be suicide.

I wonder if the focus on stopping bullying by going after the bully might not be the totally correct course - perhaps we need to look more closely at "innoculating" folks against being bullied. 

I suspect that one cause of bullying may well be that the bully actually has a low opinion of him/herself and seeks to "raise" their perceived status by lowering that of others.  I've seen it happen in other contexts.

It is sad.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Friday, January 6, 2012 10:38 AM

I remember the comment of one old-time radio announcer commenting on a note he received from a guy who listened to him "every night, before I crash."

"Was he airborne?"

Couldn't tell you right now who the previous operator of this car was; it seems to be one-of-a-kind on the Everest Railcar Services roster.  (EAMX 5201 is similar--same dimensions, but a different volume and gravity-pneumatic outlets.)  I'll get back to you on this in a couple of weeks, when my contact for such info returns from his vacation/surgery recovery.

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Pat and I will be taking advantage of our amazing weather by biking our errands around town today.  We're supposed to break 50 degrees today, and still be in the 40s tomorrow.  It's 44 right now, in mid-morning.

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I've been increasingly bothered by the story of the suicide of young Alex Frye in Cheyenne a week or so ago.  He was a kid who loved trains, knew everything about them, had a lot of friends (in the community, in his railroad club, and on the railroads themselves), yet was driven over the edge by bullying at school--apparently by some kid who thought it was "funny" to taunt him.  There, but for the grace of God...

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Posted by zugmann on Friday, January 6, 2012 9:46 AM

One for Carl before I crash for the day:

 

New (to me) reporting mark I saw.  EAMX 5200, 3 pocket ARI hopper built in 04.  Any ideas of who they used to belong to?  The marks looked fresh.

 

 

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by AgentKid on Wednesday, January 4, 2012 10:52 PM

I'm surprised the following item hasn't already generated its' own thread, but for those of you that follow the corporate side of railroading I found this on the CN website, datelined December 30, 2011.

CN completes merger of DMIR, DWP into Wisconsin Central

http://www.cn.ca/en/media-news-merger-wisconsin-central-20111230.htm

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Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, January 4, 2012 10:29 AM

Happy birthday today to Brother Larry Ackerman.  He hasn't been around here much lately, but he's still railroading.  Our best to you!

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