BNSF color scheme why/when?

[Anonymous]

Last night I spyed the first BNSF power I've ever seen on the old Wabash. Two shinny looking dash 9's in the orange-brown color scheme.

But the "B.N.S.F." painted on the side on the first loco was in a dark color, in what seemed like a plain font while on the second the same letters were yellow, in a "fancy" font, using "tailed" characters.

Why the dif? is this a 'period' edition type thing?

Be nice to see a red and silver SF warbonnet on this line , but that probably isn't gonna happen, huh? Guessing they only let the newly painted stuff go out on contract?

[bnsfkline]

One is Called Heretage 1 Paint paint , the one with the plain font. The other is the fancier H2 scheme.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by bnsfkline

One is Called Heretage 1 Paint paint , the one with the plain font. The other is the fancier H2 scheme.

Thanks.....Are they still doing "either/or" on fresh paintjobs, or is it a time period related differance?

[Kozzie]

Jim, while we are talking about BNSF livery, can you tell me what the green and cream colour scheme is for? I've seen a few new HO models recerntly and it looks pretty classy.

Dave
(Kozzie)

[Anonymous]

BNSF use the Heritage 2 or Premium Heritage Paint scheme only at locomotives with widecab.

All others will be paint in the more Great Northern lookalike Heritage 1with green BNSF letters.

Before this decission was made one series of AT&SF ordered GE Dash9, with widecabs, was painted in Heritage I. So all Dash9 between #960 and #1123 were painted in Heritage 1.
This are the only Heritage 1 painted widecabs!

So the former AT&SF silver red GP60M´s and GP60B´s have now two different paints:
- The widecab "M"´s in Heritage II
- The cabless "B"´s in Heritage I

[eolafan]

I have seen many wide nosed (safety) cabs in H1 scheme. The (Grinsteen) Greena and Cream was the final BN scheme before the formation of BNSF and was primarily (solely?) applied to the SD70MAC units and their "Executive" E and F units. The Grinsteen green and cream units are looking qutie bad these days and many have been repained in H2 scheme in the past two years.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

Dave,
The green and cream is the so-called Grinstein green described above. It dates back to BN prior to the merger with Santa Fe and was/is found on SD70MAC's and the Executive E/F units.

I may be wrong but I believe there was a plan for BNSF to use the Warbonnet colors for intermodal, the Grinstein green for coal service, and the Heritage for everything else.

Paul

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by bigboy4015

BNSF use the Heritage 2 or Premium Heritage Paint scheme only at locomotives with widecab.

All others will be paint in the more Great Northern lookalike Heritage 1with green BNSF letters.

Before this decission was made one series of AT&SF ordered GE Dash9, with widecabs, was painted in Heritage I. So all Dash9 between #960 and #1123 were painted in Heritage 1.
This are the only Heritage 1 painted widecabs!

So the former AT&SF silver red GP60M´s and GP60B´s have now two different paints:
- The widecab "M"´s in Heritage II
- The cabless "B"´s in Heritage I

Thanks, fits what I saw to a Tee...The Heritage 1 unit I saw was #1066

[Kozzie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by CSSHEGEWISCH

Dave,
The green and cream is the so-called Grinstein green described above. It dates back to BN prior to the merger with Santa Fe and was/is found on SD70MAC's and the Executive E/F units.

I may be wrong but I believe there was a plan for BNSF to use the Warbonnet colors for intermodal, the Grinstein green for coal service, and the Heritage for everything else.

Paul

Thanks Paul

I've seen Kato advertisements in June 04 MR showing SD70MAC's with the Grinstein scheme with a warbonnet! Quite distinctive! [:)] (Pity it was N not HO heh heh! [;)])

Dave

[garr]

Dave,

That green bonnet SD70MAC didn't have the appeal of the red/silver warbonnet. It received the nickname "Barfbonnet." Thankfully only one was done.

Jay

[eolafan]

Personally I kind of liked the Grinstein Green scheme, especially when it was clean and shiny (like just out of the washers)...really classy looking, but now they are very faded and dirty and not very good looking...but I still like the sound of a SD70MAC over just about any other turbocharged EMD.

[Kozzie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by garr

Dave,

That green bonnet SD70MAC didn't have the appeal of the red/silver warbonnet. It received the nickname "Barfbonnet." Thankfully only one was done.

Jay

Thanks Jay! Curioser and curioser! Only one loco painted like that and they're churning out models for it! [;)]

Dave

[garr]

eolafan,

I agree. The executive scheme or Grinstein Green scheme was nice looking new but the green bonnet loco Kozzie wrote about left a lot to be desired--other than its uniqueness.

Jay

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by garr

Dave,

That green bonnet SD70MAC didn't have the appeal of the red/silver warbonnet. It received the nickname "Barfbonnet." Thankfully only one was done.

Jay

Is *this* the "barf bonnet"?

http://www.therailforum.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=6156

[Kozzie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates

QUOTE: Originally posted by garr

Dave,

That green bonnet SD70MAC didn't have the appeal of the red/silver warbonnet. It received the nickname "Barfbonnet." Thankfully only one was done.

Jay

Is *this* the "barf bonnet"?

Yep. [;)] That's the one I saw in a picture as an N scale model on page 131 of June 04 MR.

http://www.therailforum.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=6156

[garr]

The AntiGates,

As Kozzie said above, that's it.

Jay

[Mookie]

Still better than the punkin orange.....

And I agree with eolafan - I still like the sound of an SD70MAC the best!

Mookie

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

Still better than the punkin orange.....

And I agree with eolafan - I still like the sound of an SD70MAC the best!

Mookie

Well, better than Armor yellow, anyway[:D]

I don't think the "orangies" are that bad looking, personally.. Not as sharp as a red and silver warbonnet, but not bad.

BN's "Greenstein" scheme was attractive, and whoever did the "Barfbonnet" did neither the color scheme nor the design a good service... They could have done it much better and it would have looked acceptable. It looks to me like some guy in the front office ordered a "one off" for review of possibilities, and the guy who got stuck painting it was none too enthused, perhaps with the merger in general? Thats the way it looks anyway, it appears to me that it looks bad because someone wanted it to look bad...

Maybe a little change of scale in the pattern, knock the size of that red stripe down a bit, maybe supplement it with silver accents, and I think you could have a winner

[Kozzie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

Still better than the punkin orange.....

And I agree with eolafan - I still like the sound of an SD70MAC the best!

Mookie

Well, better than Armor yellow, anyway[:D]

I don't think the "orangies" are that bad looking, personally.. Not as sharp as a red and silver warbonnet, but not bad.

BN's "Greenstein" scheme was attractive, and whoever did the "Barfbonnet" did neither the color scheme nor the design a good service... They could have done it much better and it would have looked acceptable. It looks to me like some guy in the front office ordered a "one off" for review of possibilities, and the guy who got stuck painting it was none too enthused, perhaps with the merger in general? Thats the way it looks anyway, it appears to me that it looks bad because someone wanted it to look bad...

Maybe a little change of scale in the pattern, knock the size of that red stripe down a bit, maybe supplement it with silver accents, and I think you could have a winner

And now.....finally.....and I request your patience ...(but don't forget I am downunder)....who was Grinstein (Greenstein)??

[mudchicken]

Head cheese at BN before the merger. (He be trying to fly airplanes over at Delta right now, racing United into bancruptcy)...Gerald left right after the merger was announced in 1995...

[garr]

Kozzie,

Before BN, Grinstein was head of Western Airline which was merged into or taken over by Delta. Western was suffering financial problems.

As mudchickenstated, Grinstein is now head of Delta Air Line and again finds himself fighting financial problems at an airline.

If I'm not mistaken, Grinstein's wife was the one who came up with the colors if not the scheme of the BN SD70MAC's.

Jay

[espeefoamer]

The Heritage 1 scheme is the best new paint scheme out there today.Heritage 2 is just average.

[Kozzie]

Thanks mudchicken and Jay! That's an interesting spin..the actual colour scheme came from his better half!

Dave

[Anonymous]

I don't understand why so many people say that the Heritage colors are Great Northern
orange and green when Bob Krebs said it is Great Northern orange and
Northern Pacific green!

railwayray

Ray Phelps
894 Sagle Road
Sagle Idaho 83860-9211

LOVE THAT BNSF

[traingeek087]

QUOTE: Originally posted by bigboy4015

BNSF use the Heritage 2 or Premium Heritage Paint scheme only at locomotives with widecab.

All others will be paint in the more Great Northern lookalike Heritage 1with green BNSF letters.

Before this decission was made one series of AT&SF ordered GE Dash9, with widecabs, was painted in Heritage I. So all Dash9 between #960 and #1123 were painted in Heritage 1.
This are the only Heritage 1 painted widecabs!

So the former AT&SF silver red GP60M´s and GP60B´s have now two different paints:
- The widecab "M"´s in Heritage II
- The cabless "B"´s in Heritage I

Sorry, incorrect

http://www.trainpix.com/BNSF/EMDORIG/SD60M/9277.HTM

[cstaats]

I like the way BNSF is keeping their engines painted. It is nice to see the War bonnet and it’s rich history. Could you imagine UP doing any thing even remotely similar. If it is not the correct shade of yellow forget it.
I realize the bean counters would go nuts but how cool would it be to see a double stack running with a Tuscan Red engines at Horseshoe Curve PA?