Cool Graffiti (I hope this isn't a touchy subject)

[Anonymous]

DROP THE SUBJECT!

[Anonymous]

Weather or not we want to admit it, grafitti IS part of railroad history and culture now. Yes, it is illegal, and most of it is terrable, but some of it is well done, or has a usefull message (Ive seen many that say "Stay in school". Somethimes there could even be a funny story behind it, like the gentleman here in Brunswick that was arrested while spraying his company's name on an autorack while drunk.

Why drop a topic that affects us whenever we railfan. we can discuss what we see, because we can, and because it exists. will dropping a topic stor the action from taking place? NO. whats done is done, and authough its better to not be done, the railroads can handle it without our bickering over weather it should be discussed or not.

(And just to put it in....I saw an autorack that said "Ed for President" along the whole leanght of it)

Just my 2 cents
THG

[Anonymous]

Negative Captain- I refuse, and mark that down in your blue book, to drop the subject-

I expected a whole bunch of you to suddenly wantr the subject to be dropped- Wrong approcah

Please don't parent your children using such an approach, it leads to Children with insufficent bonds with their parents, and they will tend to hide a lot of stuff from you, if you use this approach.

pressing matters should not be swept under the rug unless you define ayourselves as one of these:

A) insuficent to deal with current and pressing matters

B) Afraid of the outcome-

Or C) just plain ignorant.

This issue is a pressing what as it is becomming more prevalent in today's society,

The fact that so many of you want this issue dropped somewhat scares me-

Is it your nature to not talk about pressing issues?

if so, you really shouldn't be on this forum, and you may want to take up an alternate life style that would involve more community awareness, so you might actually realize community issues, and problems that surround this world

I don't directrly deal with Freight cars, but people seem to enjoy spray painitng the F word on our passenegr cars like it is going out of style.. or drawing beautiful looking, but wrong stuff, If ther artist like it soo much, why don't they choose their own property to do so?

exactly my point, if the artist like it.. put it on your own car, garage door, and sport it around, it might become a trend..

No they choose unprotected property, to display their art..

NICE! just what we should all be advocating.

Is it worse to advocate screwing up other peoples property, or to advocate this topic be eliminated?

"too be or not to be, that is the question...."

A wise president once said, "the only way to discover new oceans, is to leave the comfort of your own shore"

I find many of you never do, your own island is how the world workes right?

Wrong.

this whole thing we call earth yealds many secrets.

And i'm not going to lie to you, msot of them are bad... if your shocked by this, which may appear as a startling revolution, your really in serious reality issues.

for those of you who really want this issue to die

TOO BAD!

learn to deal with current matters, support your legal system, and help take a bite out of crime,

or as the latest exercise adds put it,

"GET up, and GET OUT!

Learnm to deal with issues, talk with your children, talk with your friends, socialize with a community, STOP sweaping things under the rug

your not in the emerald city! your not in a magical land where nothing bad happens,

your on eartth, surrounded by crime of every type, and you have to face the music on ocasion.

don't play chicken, it's a dangerous game.

[tree68]

[soapbox]

The following points have thus far been been presented in Graffiti on railroad car threads:

[2c]Some graffiti is pretty good, worthy of praise on another medium.

[2c]Some graffiti is obscene.

[2c]Some graffiti just isn't art.

[2c]All graffiti is vandalism.

[2c]Those that tag should receive stiff penalties. Death has been suggested.

[2c]Taggers have a variety of motives.

[2c]You wouldn't want it done to your property.

[2c]The railroads are pretty much powerless to stop the activity.

[2c]Most people either feel that graffiti on railroad cars is either
A. A really bad thing, or
B. A part of the landscape anymore, so what the heck?

If I missed a talking point, it is probably contained in one of the following threads:

http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4187

http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3349

http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11272

http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12463

If someone has something new to post about graffiti, have at it. Otherwise it's all been discussed before, sides have been taken, and nothing has changed. Of course this thread can go on forever just discussing whether we should be discussing graffiti, but that would just be running up the participants post counts...

Off [soapbox]

[Anonymous]

I agree it is vandalism. Yet, it is another aspect of this wide-ranging hobby/obsession.
I and others spend time looking and filming "Smokin Joe" grafitti.

Does anyone else out there look for Smokin Joe grafitti?

On a side note, what about a discussion on collecting railroad hardware that we see daily along the rails. To pick this up is it theft? Is it theft if we find it along abandoned rails?

[Anonymous]

is it theft if its laying in the road thats right beside the rails?

No, I don't recall seeing the "Smokin joe" grafitti, but I have seen a few that used the names or letters on the cars as part of the grafitti's text. that can get funny.

[TH&B]

Grafitti is like the suface RUST on railcars and the WEEDS along the track or the dirt and filth many railcars are covered in, all part of the character of it all.

I often enjoy the "layers" covering an old freight car while hauling comodities. Just enough seethru paint attempting to cover the cars original faded identity by the new owner, partialy covered by surface rust, covered again by a layer of dirt, add some scraches, now a layer of grafitti here and there, more rust, more dirt, a little more grafitti tags another change in reporting marks etc... you can still see in a carefull study by a trained eye that ultimately this was once a ROCK ISLAND car !!!

[cherokee woman]

QUOTE: Originally posted by tree68

QUOTE: Originally posted by Tree68

This has been here before. Despite any artistic merits the graffiti may have, a significant number still feel it's vandalism.

QUOTE: Originally posted by Willy2
[#ditto] Yes, I think it would be a good idea to let this topic drop.
Willy

Originally posted by Cherokee Woman
Amen

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GEEZ, I thought it was agreed upon to DROP this thread[:0][xx(]

cherokee woman "O'Toole's law: Murphy was an optimist."

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