Trains.com

exempt crossing

10553 views
10 replies
1 rating 2 rating 3 rating 4 rating 5 rating
  • Member since
    February 2006
  • From: Mesa Arizona
  • 341 posts
exempt crossing
Posted by mokenarr on Tuesday, June 8, 2010 8:30 PM

 Was driving to Tucson AZ Saturday down route 79 and crossed a railroad crossing that while gate protected the warning sign and under the cross bar had the word exempt on them.  the tracks had a gate crossing both sides of the street.  Any idea what this means?

 Thanks

 

 

 

 

Old Steam loco's never die, they just lose thier fire.
  • Member since
    April 2003
  • 305,205 posts
Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 8, 2010 8:40 PM

An "Exempt" sign is applied to some railroad crossings to indicate that school buses and trucks carrying hazardous materials are not required to stop and look for trains before crossing. This doesn't always mean the line is embargoed or abandoned, sometimes they could block a dangerous intersection while stopping for the crossing, which is ruled to be "more dangerous" than a train-vehicle collision. I believe this is decided by a court of some kind. Others are welcome to elaborate.

  • Member since
    October 2006
  • From: Allentown, PA
  • 9,810 posts
Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Tuesday, June 8, 2010 9:31 PM
More usually 'formally' decided by the state's public utility, railroad, or 'corporation' commission, or a similar name, etc. - but practically decided by the request of the state's DOT based on the results of a traffic engineering study. Typically such crossings are on low-speed branch lines with only 1 or 2 trains a day - or less, which may also run mostly at night, etc. The judgment is that the risk of rear-end collisions and traffic delays, etc. as a result of those mandatory stops would be worse than the slight risk of a low-speed train-vehicle collision, etc. - essentially a 'balancing' / trade-off test / analysis risk management decision.

- Paul North.

"This Fascinating Railroad Business" (title of 1943 book by Robert Selph Henry of the AAR)
  • Member since
    December 2001
  • From: Denver / La Junta
  • 10,820 posts
Posted by mudchicken on Tuesday, June 8, 2010 10:13 PM

Paul_D_North_Jr
More usually 'formally' decided by the state's public utility, railroad, or 'corporation' commission, or a similar name, etc. - but practically decided by the request of the state's DOT based on the results of a traffic engineering study. Typically such crossings are on low-speed branch lines with only 1 or 2 trains a day - or less, which may also run mostly at night, etc. The judgment is that the risk of rear-end collisions and traffic delays, etc. as a result of those mandatory stops would be worse than the slight risk of a low-speed train-vehicle collision, etc. - essentially a 'balancing' / trade-off test / analysis risk management decision.

- Paul North.

Sign - Dotswhat he said
Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west
  • Member since
    August 2004
  • From: St. Paul, Minnesota
  • 2,116 posts
Posted by Boyd on Wednesday, June 9, 2010 1:40 AM

 The Minnesota Zephyr here in town has "EXEMPT" on all of its crossings since last summer. They last ran a train 12-31-08. Still waiting to hear if a group from Colorado has bought it.

Modeling the "Fargo Area Rapid Transit" in O scale 3 rail.

  • Member since
    October 2006
  • From: Allentown, PA
  • 9,810 posts
Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Wednesday, June 9, 2010 10:16 AM

 From the US DOT Federal HighWay Adminstration's -

Railroad-Highway Grade Crossing Handbook - Revised Second Edition August 2007
Section 4: Identification of Alternatives

at - http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/xings/com_roaduser/07010/sec04a.htm , at the middle and near the bottom of that web page:

R15-3

8B.05, 10C.10

Exempt

School buses and commercial vehicles that are usually required to stop at crossings are not required to do so where authorized by ordinance.

 “Exempt” sign (R15-3, W-10-1a). When authorized by law or regulation, a supplemental “Exempt” (R15-3) sign with a white background bearing the word EXEMPT may be used below the crossbuck sign or “Number of Tracks” sign, if present, at the highway-rail grade crossing, and a supplemental “Exempt” (W10-1a) sign with a yellow background bearing the word EXEMPT may be used below the highway-rail advance warning (W10-1) sign. These supplemental signs inform drivers of vehicles carrying passengers for hire, school buses carrying students, or vehicles carrying hazardous materials that a stop is not required at certain designated highway-rail grade crossings, except when a train, locomotive, or other railroad equipment is approaching or occupying the highway-rail grade crossing or the driver's view is blocked.

- Paul North. 

"This Fascinating Railroad Business" (title of 1943 book by Robert Selph Henry of the AAR)
  • Member since
    June 2003
  • From: South Central,Ks
  • 7,170 posts
Posted by samfp1943 on Wednesday, June 9, 2010 11:05 AM

To add to what Paul North has posted and MC had seconded.

The feature of an EXEMPTED crossing has since March 15,1999 when a southbound AMTRAK #59 ( CITY ofNew Orleans) struck a truck at Bourbonaise,Il. Taken on a new meaning for professional drivers.

Linked here is a good resource,if interested: 

 http://danger-ahead.railfan.net/features/bourbonnais/home.html

This particular crash, and its severity (14 killed, many children), and the egregiousness of the act of the truck driver in trying to beat a train to the crossing; shook up many regulatory individuals.

 The legislative aftermath brought about reforms at the Federal level that increased the punishments and fines for truckers ( Specifically, those who held Federally mandated, Commercial Driver's Liscenses~CDL's)

  Ignoring a railroad crossing more than once could lead to a revocation of one's CDL. Just to name one.

  The fines and penalties were almost to a Draconian level for disobedience while holding a CDL, the shame was that enforcement did not extend to orther areas of Driver Liscensing as well ( most here know all too much about the consequences of car/train accidents). 

  One result of this Enforcement was the creation of an Operation Lifesaver video in 2000 called " Your Liscense or Your Life"(to specifically target commercial drivers who were unaware, at that time of the new penalties that were being enforced)  it was made in Georgia, by a cooperative effort with Georgia OLI and The American Trucxking Assoc. (with assist of Ga. Motor Trucking Assoc.). Probably the firdst time such a cooperative effort was made between the AAR(OLI) and the ATA.Thumbs Up

 

 

 


 

  • Member since
    December 2001
  • From: Northern New York
  • 25,019 posts
Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, June 9, 2010 11:31 PM

IIRC, a crossing near here was marked exempt for a while - there was one industry, and I don't think it was getting cars any more.  Since I don't frequent that area I'm not sure if the crossbucks (and exempt sign) remained very long after the switch connecting the line to the main was removed.  I think they were there for a while - at least until the tracks themselves were removed.

As an aside, the siding was at one time part of the mainline of Rome and Watertown (a predecessor of the Rome, Watertown and Ogdensburg), running from Watertown to the line's original terminus of Cape Vincent.  The line was also notable for being one of the only rail lines that ran through a cemetary.

LarryWhistling
Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) 
Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you
My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date
Come ride the rails with me!
There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it...

  • Member since
    June 2001
  • From: L A County, CA, US
  • 1,009 posts
Posted by MP57313 on Thursday, June 10, 2010 10:08 PM

In SoCal, some cities/areas have specific crossing numbers on the "Exempt" signs.  These two crossings are in Vernon, CA, just south of Los Angeles in the Hobart Yard area.  Pictures are from 12-4-2004

UP crossing (Downey Ave.)

BNSF crossing (26th St.)

  • Member since
    December 2001
  • From: Denver / La Junta
  • 10,820 posts
Posted by mudchicken on Thursday, June 10, 2010 10:28 PM

The number is the CPUC number for the crossing (California PUC) which is similar to and predates the federal DOT Numbers. IIRC (It's been a while) , The first number identifies the railroad, the midle number(s) the milepost locations and the end letter was a check code tied to the branch/subdivision/district. What I do remember was the duplicate number problems in the backtracks and conflicting CA instructions on signage.

Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west
  • Member since
    August 2005
  • From: At the Crossroads of the West
  • 11,013 posts
Posted by Deggesty on Sunday, June 13, 2010 4:13 PM

Seven or eight days ago, I saw (somewhere in Wisconsin; I do not remember just where) an exempt crossing with the added sign "out of service."

Johnny

Join our Community!

Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account.

Search the Community

Newsletter Sign-Up

By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy