Tidbits:
- John Cleese, British actor/comedian used a taxi all the way from Oslo Norway to Bruxelles Belgium (ca 1500 km) @ €3500. He was doing his show about him being poor after his recent divorce....
- Thalys runs with 2 coupled trainsets as well as some extra trains this weekend between Amsterdam and Paris. It was a busy day for travel to Germany. Passenger in Amsterdam were advised to go to Utrecht as there was still capacity at the ticket office there.
- There is an exhibit of royal trains in the Dutch National Railway Museum in Utrecht. It included the current Dutch royal train. Included because the Queen, crown prince and his wife are now using it to visit Denmark where queen Margarethe turned 70.
- I used the Berlin (Germany) - Amsterdam international train for domestic travel thursday and there was an Englishman explaining to the homefront that it would take a while before he would be home. He came from somewhere in northern Germany and traveled via Amsterdam to Bruxelles where he hoped to get a train to the French/Belgian border where he would take a taxi to Calais where he hoped to be able to take a ferry (apparently they operate 24/7). The Stena Line ferry between Hook of Holland and Harwich (UK) was sold out friday, don't know about the DFDS ferry between IJmuiden and Newcastle.
- Dutch airspace is closed till 8 am sunday, Belgium, Germany and France have closed their airspace until at least 2 PM on sunday.
- UEFA will decide on monday if next week's Champions League and Europa League football games will go on. This is because of airtravel problems not because of ash.
- Meanwhile, a high speed train in Germany, on the Cologne - Frankfurt line, lost a door. This door landed on / against an opposing train and injured 6 people. Service on the line was severly disrupted.
- Lufthansa has made a deal with Deutsche Bahn and air traveller can change their air ticket for a travel voucher with DB. DB meanwhile uses every available train and personnel.
- Prognosis of the ashclouds can be seen here: http://bit.ly/buK6l9; the volcano, Eyjafjallajokull, can be seen here: - http://bit.ly/biwlti
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Latest check shows almost all Eurostar sold out today but tomorrow still OK.
blue streak 1Two items that i came across and is why I do not trust so much of the media. 1. there is now more lightning activity in the ash cloud that indicates more ash. 2. A couple of the networks said Eurostar was full but a check as of 1850 EDT from London showed the Sat trips had one or more fare levels open on 5 trains each to Paris and Brussels. Sun was 17 - Paris and 9 Brussels. Appears that people are booking at the last minute. Now some questions for our European friends. Since there are fewer trips on weekends if there becomes a necessity can the required crews and serviceable trains sets be available? I notice that after Jan 3rd several trains no longer run.
Two items that i came across and is why I do not trust so much of the media.
1. there is now more lightning activity in the ash cloud that indicates more ash.
2. A couple of the networks said Eurostar was full but a check as of 1850 EDT from London showed the Sat trips had one or more fare levels open on 5 trains each to Paris and Brussels. Sun was 17 - Paris and 9 Brussels. Appears that people are booking at the last minute.
Now some questions for our European friends. Since there are fewer trips on weekends if there becomes a necessity can the required crews and serviceable trains sets be available? I notice that after Jan 3rd several trains no longer run.
Crews would be more likely a problem, plus weekends are used for maintenance.
Have any tests been made to couple two complete train sets together (not the present split capable) to double space? Does anyone one know capacity of a train set?
Physically two trainsets can be coupled, but the only time it is done, is to tow in a disabled trainset. A Eurostar trainset consists of 18 vehicles, so it is very long, as long as station platforms.Two coupled would have to separate to allow passengers to embark and disembark.
Of course as long as the present trains have space spread out through the day that do not fill then why run more capacity? I can imagine that the location of Brussels will cause more demand for seats to there in the future because of the travelers to the nordic countrys, Germany, Poland, and Russia.
Of course as long as the present trains have space spread out through the day that do not fill then why run more capacity?
I can imagine that the location of Brussels will cause more demand for seats to there in the future because of the travelers to the nordic countrys, Germany, Poland, and Russia.
CricketerIndeed. Longer distance services are already running at about capacity in terms of numbers of trains actually operating, and because those to Scotland in particular run at 125 mph it isn't simply a case of rustling up old carriages, because their max is about 90mph.
A news room site said that on Thursday Virgin ran 3 extra sections London - Glascow and east coast ran 1 London - Edinburgh?
Probably better than our Amtrak could do.
A friend in Estonia told me that that country is about at a stand-still. He thinks there will be big economic repercussions. Don't buy Euros, at this time! Booze manufacturers are good bets!
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Air filters would also be a problem for aircraft with reciprocating engines, but very few transport category planes have them today. Recips are mostly light singles and twins incapable of crossing the Atlantic. Flying any aircraft in that soup would be akin to flying in a sandstorm; a 600 MPH one at that. All the paint would be gone from the airplane long before it's destination, and turbine engines would be trashed from the abrasives in that cloud.
I'm a retired aircraft mechanic, and IIRC, in 1980 when Mt. St. Helens blew it's top there were a couple of planes that had flameouts at altitude before we realized iit was a no-no to fly into the cloud.
Most European railroads, being electric should not be heavily affected, but for diesels, as previously mentioned, a good supply of air filters should be kept at hand.
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Indeed. Longer distance services are already running at about capacity in terms of numbers of trains actually operating, and because those to Scotland in particular run at 125 mph it isn't simply a case of rustling up old carriages, because their max is about 90mph.
The only place where there's spare daytime capacity is the communter routes, moslty into London. Even then extra trains need extra crews, though to some extent train lenghths can be kept up by not uncoupling multiple units.
Other key point for the UK is that there's only one link for non-drivers to the Continent, which is Eurostar. Eurostar haven't got spare trains sitting around, and are going to be pretty ful anyway as the schools go back this Monday. Of course if the restrictions on train types get relaxed then we could have had French TVG services running through the tunnel to London, and the French are more generous with spare capacity than the British are. Of course some of France is already ashed over, so many trains there will already be full, esp those to Belgium and the Netherlands.
The ferries and Eurotunnel tend to be vehicle based. Continental Europe is somewhat better off re land links, but the further north you go (and into the ash plume) the more flying is the only quick, or even slow way to get south. Overland is very slow indeed, and often requires crossing water.
RudyRockvilleMDThe Icelandic volcanic ash erruption has caused both intercontinental flights and flighta in Great Britain and Europe to be canceled. Travelers in Great Britain and Europe rely more on trains more than air, and the trains there are packed. What effect will the volcanic ash have on railroad transportation in Great Britain and Europe?
The Icelandic volcanic ash erruption has caused both intercontinental flights and flighta in Great Britain and Europe to be canceled. Travelers in Great Britain and Europe rely more on trains more than air, and the trains there are packed. What effect will the volcanic ash have on railroad transportation in Great Britain and Europe?
So far ash fall has been limited. The biggest problems with rail transportation is the lack of spare equipment. To use a British term many trains are totally Wedged.
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Under the heading "that danged dust gets in everything," computers and disk players (especially CD/DVD/Blu-Ray drives where tolerances are tight), copy machines and laser printers (iron being the problem there - the drums operate using electromagnetic forces), and most especially, lungs of all types, human and animals.
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Good point about washing the automobiles off with an open hose. The comment that technology could solve the ash problem is nuts. Sand especially glass and iron particles just will not work in any aircraft engine plus the ash can score windshields and everything else on an airplane.
A few more items that Europeeans may have to deal with. These items all depend on the ash mix such as sand glass, rock (granite etc) iron content, particle size, Sulfuric acid, etc.
1. GPS may not work because iron can scatter the signals.
2. Sattelite communications can be cut off but fortunately there is a lot of fiber optic cable all over the world.
3. Military aircraft resupply trips cut off.
4. Helicopters especially vulnerable.
5. And if the volcano continues there may be a shortage of filters until manufacturing speeds up.
6. AC traction motors may perform better than DC but who knows for sure?
7. Certain ash mixes may short out transformers and/or transmission lines?
Any other ideas out there?
I'm amazed at the comment from a resident of Cork admonishing the airlines by saying that "they should be prepared for this sort of thing" and that modern technology should be able to handle it.
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Here's a tip I learned from somebody who got Mount St. Helen's ash on their car in 1980. DON'T BRUSH IT OFF. This will scratch the paint. Use a garden hose, with NO NOZZLE. Just use the hose and rinse the car off from the top down.
But that's absolute worse case here in the US. Hopefully there's a few Europeans out there who could use this knowledge.
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Great WesternI am not sure whether it is passenger aircraft and freight or just passenger aircraft
Great Western: It is all turbine aircraft pure jets or turboprops. Recip engines may work but will need some kind of filter that I would not want on my aircraft.
Filters are going to be a problem for the rails and automobiles once the ash cloud gets to the ground. When Mt. Saint Helens blew the then BN had to replace diesel filters every 2 - 3 days if I recall correctly. The snow ingestion problem that occurred on the Chunnell trains will also need addressing as ash particles may or may not be very similar to fine snow. That is because every volcano is different in its ejecta.
I imagine that aircraft will have to be rerouted by way of the US SE to the Azores and Spain if the volcan continue. But if winds change then Spain and middle Europe may get the ash. It all depends on the upper level winds, how much ash, and how much clearing of the air occurrs (depends on ash size and rain). Worse case happening is the volcano continues with the ash going global shutting all air travel down in the northern hemisphere. (not much chance I hope).
I will be surprised if this ash cloud disappears quickly. It will cause many issues for European travel and also outside Europe.
Luckily for me an item of rolling stock for my garden railway has just arrived from the States so there will be no delay to that item.
I am not sure whether it is passenger aircraft and freight or just passenger aircraft but I had intended to order some back copies from Kalmbach of Trains and Classic Trains magazines. That is now on hold.
So as you see, the effects this volcano will will be worldwide.
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blue streak 1 The Icelandic volcano has shut down much of scandanavia and great brittian. The question is how will the rail systems of Europe handle the sudden influx of passengers and priority air freight?. My previous memory of of volcano diversions is that the cloud will be long lasting (several weeks) and will spread to middle Europe. Just one more argument for the USA not to put all their eggs into the airline LD travel basket. Also no idea how long the vocano will keep erupting/. Our European posters need to keep us informed!!!
The Icelandic volcano has shut down much of scandanavia and great brittian. The question is how will the rail systems of Europe handle the sudden influx of passengers and priority air freight?. My previous memory of of volcano diversions is that the cloud will be long lasting (several weeks) and will spread to middle Europe. Just one more argument for the USA not to put all their eggs into the airline LD travel basket. Also no idea how long the vocano will keep erupting/.
Our European posters need to keep us informed!!!
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Here is a BBC story about the chaos and its affect on Eurostar.
BBC story
Unfortunately the French appear to have a railway strike going on, it doesn't have any direct effect on Eurostar, but connections to regular French trains may be disrupted.
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