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Two more girls killed....Amtrak involved...?
Posted by Modelcar on Thursday, February 25, 2010 7:42 PM

Just caught it on the news a while ago....Don't know any details, except it's in eastern Pennsylvania.....

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Posted by ButchKnouse on Thursday, February 25, 2010 7:52 PM

I just saw it on the news, on the Acela line 10 miles south of Philly. Fifteen years old, 10:30 in the morning. Their school was nearby, but they didn't say how close. They had been seen in class earlier.

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Posted by wabash1 on Friday, February 26, 2010 3:48 AM

sounds like they need to keep the teenage girls away from the railroad or they gonna die.

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Posted by tree68 on Friday, February 26, 2010 7:44 AM

I recently saw an article about how girls are catching up to boys as a risk behind the wheel. 

While I'm not saying that boys are all that much better in terms of poor judgement, I'd opine that perhaps they have more situational awareness in some cases.  

I suspect that boys are more likely to be racing the train to a crossing, while girls are just hanging out in a 'taboo' place.

I forget whether it was one or two young ladies died a year or so ago in NY State.  They were sitting on the rail, placing pennies to be squashed.  Unfortunately, it was the CSX Chicago line on which they were sitting, not some little used branch.  

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Posted by Ted Marshall on Friday, February 26, 2010 10:12 AM

ButchKnouse

I just saw it on the news, on the Acela line 10 miles south of Philly. Fifteen years old, 10:30 in the morning. Their school was nearby, but they didn't say how close. They had been seen in class earlier.

Yes. This one, however, appears to be more of a case of trying to take a short cut to get someplace else and not mischief as in the case in Florida, although, they were cutting class so I suppose their actions could technically constitute mischief. Unfortunately for them and their families, they failed to take into account how fast 110 MPH really is and apparently didn't hear the warning announcements from the adjacent passenger platform of an approaching train - those who have ridden the Acela know what I'm referring to. From what I understand, an elevated walkway was only feet away from where they lost their lives, but I suppose they were too lazy to use it. Disapprove

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Posted by BaltACD on Friday, February 26, 2010 10:53 AM

To paraphrase the warnings on passenger side automobile mirrors....

'Trains movement may be faster than it appears'.

100+ MPH trains will go from a headlight on the horizon to your location much more quickly than you expect.

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Posted by blownout cylinder on Friday, February 26, 2010 12:02 PM

Since the University of Western Ontario installed virtually unclimbable fences along Western Rd up here we seen a huge decrease in the number of accidents, or even near accidents, between pedestrans and vehicles. It was not unusual to have to slam on the brakes around there at least 5 or 6 times in a matter of a few minutes, what with students and even teachers/professors just blandly going in front of uncoming traffic rather than going to the three underpasses that went under that road.

I guess no matter what one does human laziness/stupidity/plain ol' cussedness will trump all the systems we try--Disapprove

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Posted by ButchKnouse on Friday, February 26, 2010 1:06 PM

Sounds like Brookings, South Dakota. A major artery passes through campus, with a 25 MPH speed limit. You can be 30 feet from the crosswalk going 25 and they just blindly walk into the street.

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Posted by BNSFwatcher on Friday, February 26, 2010 5:20 PM

I read (Sorry. I didn't save the cite) that 72% of railway trespasser fatalities were suicides.  I hope the MEs in FL and PA are competent and do their job.  Very strange, menthinks!  Muy estupido, at least!

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, February 26, 2010 5:31 PM

ButchKnouse

Sounds like Brookings, South Dakota. A major artery passes through campus, with a 25 MPH speed limit. You can be 30 feet from the crosswalk going 25 and they just blindly walk into the street.

This happens with all crosswalks because of the lopsided way the crosswalk law is promoted.  It leads pedestrians to believe they have the unconditional right of way in crosswalks. 

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Posted by ButchKnouse on Saturday, February 27, 2010 8:42 AM

I realize that, but they seem to think cars can stop on a dime. I go out of my way to avoid that street.

On my screen this post is coming up in Italics. I have no idea why. What did I accidentally do?

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 27, 2010 12:11 PM

The crosswalk law basically says that pedestrians have the right of way over cars once they are in the crosswalk, but they may not enter a crosswalk if cars are approaching.  So the law has two basic components, one for drivers and one for pedestrians.  However, the law is always promoted by signs and other venues by stating only one of its two components.  It is promoted by simply saying that cars have to yield to pedestrians in crosswalks.  Never is it mentioned that pedestrians have to yield to approaching cars before entering a crosswalk.

 

So pedestrians are left with the false belief that all they have to do is enter a crosswalk and the seas magically part for them.  The law arises out of a pedestrian rights / anti-automobile activism.  Pedestrians are seen to occupy a kind of moral high ground compared to drivers, and pedestrians feel the need to exercise their rights under this presumption.  So pedestrians can tend to get a bit of a chip on their shoulder when they approach a crosswalk.  I believe the crosswalk law is getting people killed as an unintended consequence.

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Posted by Soo 6604 on Sunday, February 28, 2010 10:30 AM

BNSFwatcher

I read (Sorry. I didn't save the cite) that 72% of railway trespasser fatalities were suicides.  I hope the MEs in FL and PA are competent and do their job.  Very strange, menthinks!  Muy estupido, at least!

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It turned out to be a double suicide

NORWOOD, Pa. (AP) — Officials in Pennsylvania say two teenage girls who were struck and killed by a high-speed Amtrak train committed suicide.

An Acela train traveling from Boston to Washington, D.C., hit the 10th-graders about 10:30 a.m. Thursday in Norwood, about 10 miles southwest of Philadelphia.

The Delaware County Medical Examiner's Office said Saturday that autopsies concluded the deaths were suicides.

Norwood Police Chief Mark DelVecchio says an examination of the girls' e-mail and text messages showed they spoke of their desire to end their lives. He said police did not know what led the girls to suicide.

Family members and classmates at Interboro Senior High School said 16-year-old Gina Gentile and 15-year-old Vanessa Dorwart were upset about the death of Gentile's boyfriend. Seventeen-year-old William Bradley was killed by a car while riding his bicycle last month.

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Posted by narig01 on Sunday, February 28, 2010 7:02 PM

Regretably it was a busy week on the subject for Amtrak's PR people on this subject.  The following happened near my house last week.

 

 

http://www.hopestar.com/news/business/x1487801094/Teen-dies-tragically-in-train-related-accident

 

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Posted by tree68 on Sunday, February 28, 2010 7:14 PM

Soo 6604
It turned out to be a double suicide

Determination will trump protections pretty much any time.  Try as we might, sometimes we just can't stop folks from doing what they will.

I'm sure their friends and families are saying to themselves, "why didn't we see the signs???"

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Posted by Ted Marshall on Monday, March 1, 2010 7:15 PM

tree68

I'm sure their friends and families are saying to themselves, "why didn't we see the signs???"

I hope the families don't beat themselves up too badly... Sadly, in this case, there probably were no signs to be seen. It reads to me like the three made a sudden decision following the sudden death of the one's boyfriend. Gladly, one of them had the sense to back out. However, I'd imagine that she'd be the one who'd bear the most guilt. Disapprove

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Posted by oltmannd on Tuesday, March 2, 2010 6:38 AM
tree68

Soo 6604
It turned out to be a double suicide

Determination will trump protections pretty much any time.  Try as we might, sometimes we just can't stop folks from doing what they will.

I'm sure their friends and families are saying to themselves, "why didn't we see the signs???"

Apparently, the mother did see signs, sadly, to no avail.  http://www.philly.com/philly/education/20100302_After_suicides__Interboro_High_offers_support.html

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