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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Thursday, November 19, 2020 10:10 AM

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  Then there is the famous Sprint Car racer from the Amish area of Pennsylvania - Tommy 'The Flying Farmer' Hinnershitz
 

 
Presumably not a relation to Arnie "The Farmer" Beswick, drag racer in the Midwest in the 1960's.
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Posted by rrnut282 on Thursday, November 19, 2020 2:58 PM

To get this thread back on track:  MOE-non is a (franco)anglicized version of the Pottawatami word for "swift running."  Not a bad nickname for a railroad.  

Someone mentioned another possible Hoosier Line, the Wabby.  The new line SW out of Fort Wayne crosses the Wabash River a couple of times.  It came really close to this, but only missed by a couple of miles.  The Wabash RR crossed the Wabash River in Wabash County, next to the City of Wabash.  Wabash also had two lines across the state, but they did not cross like the subject C.I.&L.  

To derail it again:  Indiana also has a Ver-SAILS.  It's down by Kentucky, so it's possible they kept the mis-pronounciation with which they were familiar.  

The State Park nearby is another franco-anglicized word: Ouabache State Park.  Twenty years ago it was Quabache State Rec Area.  Obviously, there has been disagreement on what the Pottawatami called the river.

 

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Posted by Convicted One on Thursday, November 19, 2020 11:12 PM

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Wabash also had two lines across the state, but they did not cross like the subject C.I.&L.  

 

 At one time the Wabash, St Louis, and Pacific controlled the Indianapolis, Peru, and Chicago RR,  giving it crossing lines centered at Peru.

 

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Posted by Overmod on Friday, November 20, 2020 2:50 AM

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The State Park nearby is another franco-anglicized word: Ouabache State Park.

That's straight phoneticized French for "Wabash".  Which isn't Potawatomi, it's Miami/Illinois.

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Friday, November 20, 2020 9:13 AM

rrnut282

To get this thread back on track:  MOE-non is a (franco)anglicized version of the Pottawatami word for "swift running."  Not a bad nickname for a railroad.  

Someone mentioned another possible Hoosier Line, the Wabby.  The new line SW out of Fort Wayne crosses the Wabash River a couple of times.  It came really close to this, but only missed by a couple of miles.  The Wabash RR crossed the Wabash River in Wabash County, next to the City of Wabash.  Wabash also had two lines across the state, but they did not cross like the subject C.I.&L.  

To derail it again:  Indiana also has a Ver-SAILS.  It's down by Kentucky, so it's possible they kept the mis-pronounciation with which they were familiar.  

The State Park nearby is another franco-anglicized word: Ouabache State Park.  Twenty years ago it was Quabache State Rec Area.  Obviously, there has been disagreement on what the Pottawatami called the river.

 

 

The Midwest has many French place names due to the heritage of French control prior to the treaty of Paris, 1763.

Many are mispronounced.

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Posted by Convicted One on Friday, November 20, 2020 9:15 AM

Plus.....the Wabash had a namesake canal....take THAT,.. Moe-non fans!!  Whistling

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Posted by ORNHOO on Friday, November 20, 2020 4:41 PM

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Lithonia Operator wrote the following post yesterday: Convicted One After living several years in Georgia,  while making a business trip to Seattle,  it  just seemed like Puyallup Washington was missing an apostrophe.   Good one! I see what you did there.

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Posted by rdamon on Friday, November 20, 2020 5:06 PM

Wonder what the proper way to say BNSF is?  binz-f ?

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Posted by York1 on Friday, November 20, 2020 5:13 PM

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Did you ever wonder where all the "R"s that are never prononced in New England go? Warshingdon!

No, they go to the Ninth Ward of New Orleans for the words "terlet" for "toilet" and "erl" for "oil".

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Friday, November 20, 2020 5:19 PM

My old bosses, who were still mad about the Great Northern being "taken away" by the Burlington Northern, pronounced it BIN-siff

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Posted by tree68 on Friday, November 20, 2020 7:23 PM

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New Orleans

Don't you mean "Nawlins?"

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Friday, November 20, 2020 8:09 PM

charlie hebdo

 

 
rrnut282

To get this thread back on track:  MOE-non is a (franco)anglicized version of the Pottawatami word for "swift running."  Not a bad nickname for a railroad.  

Someone mentioned another possible Hoosier Line, the Wabby.  The new line SW out of Fort Wayne crosses the Wabash River a couple of times.  It came really close to this, but only missed by a couple of miles.  The Wabash RR crossed the Wabash River in Wabash County, next to the City of Wabash.  Wabash also had two lines across the state, but they did not cross like the subject C.I.&L.  

To derail it again:  Indiana also has a Ver-SAILS.  It's down by Kentucky, so it's possible they kept the mis-pronounciation with which they were familiar.  

The State Park nearby is another franco-anglicized word: Ouabache State Park.  Twenty years ago it was Quabache State Rec Area.  Obviously, there has been disagreement on what the Pottawatami called the river.

 

 

 

 

The Midwest has many French place names due to the heritage of French control prior to the treaty of Paris, 1763.

Many are mispronounced.

 

I suppose the same could be said for a lot of spanish and native american names. 

Or Hebrew? An hour north of me is the town of Sinai.
You know- SIGN-eee-YIGH. Huh?

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Posted by Paul of Covington on Friday, November 20, 2020 9:17 PM

tree68

 

 
York1
New Orleans

 

Don't you mean "Nawlins?"

 

   Depends on what neighborhood you're from.

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Posted by York1 on Friday, November 20, 2020 9:39 PM

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tree68  
York1
New Orleans

Don't you mean "Nawlins?"

   Depends on what neighborhood you're from.

 

Everyone in the city who I knew called it New Orluns.  Usually tourists who wanted to fit in called it Nawlins.

Another funny thing is that Hollywood films have New Orleans people with a Southern accent.  I remember almost no one there having a southern accent unless they had moved into the city from some other southern area.  The NO natives talk reminded me more of an eastern big city accent.

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Posted by tree68 on Friday, November 20, 2020 10:54 PM

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Another funny thing is that Hollywood films have New Orleans people with a Southern accent.  I remember almost no one there having a southern accent unless they had moved into the city from some other southern area.  The NO natives talk reminded me more of an eastern big city accent.

I saw a comment once about the movie "Fried Green Tomatos" that noted that each of the four leads had a different accent.  I don't recall the specifics, though.

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Posted by Paul of Covington on Saturday, November 21, 2020 1:18 AM

   Hey, York.  Where'y'at, man?  How's yomominem?  (your mom and them)

   You must have lived in mid-city:  New Orluns or New Orlins

   Uptown:  New Or-le-uns  (As I recall, this is the official pronunciation.)

   Irish Channel:  N'orlins

   Ninth Ward:  Nyawlins or Nawlins

   If you hear New Or-LEENS, it's either someone from out of town or you need to say it that way to make it fit in a song.

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Another funny thing is that Hollywood films have New Orleans people with a Southern accent. 

   Yeah, we Yats get a kick out of films about New Orleans where they talk with a southern accent.  Sometimes I hear locals talk that I would almost swear came from New York.  I suspect that it may be because being a port city, the same waves of immigrants came here as in the eastern ports.

   I remember hearing that when Emeril Lagasse started out, many people in New York thought he was one of their own.

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Posted by York1 on Saturday, November 21, 2020 8:00 AM

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Hey, York.  Where'y'at, man?  How's yomominem? 

 

I was out makin' groceries.

 

I worked in MidCity -- the school was on Canal Street.  I lived in the Navarre section of Lakeview.

It amazed me that, as you point out, small sections of the city each had a distinct accent.

One of the janitors was a Cajun.  He would talk to me while he worked, and then laugh when he saw I didn't have the slightest idea what he had said.  That's another amazing thing -- an area exists in our country where people have lived for 200 years who still speak a different language among themselves.

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Saturday, November 21, 2020 10:14 AM

I once had a conversation with a woman from New Orleans and her accent struck me as a combination of Southern and Brooklyn.

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Saturday, November 21, 2020 10:36 AM

York1

 

 
Paul of Covington
Hey, York.  Where'y'at, man?  How's yomominem? 

 

 

I was out makin' groceries.

 

I worked in MidCity -- the school was on Canal Street.  I lived in the Navarre section of Lakeview.

It amazed me that, as you point out, small sections of the city each had a distinct accent.

One of the janitors was a Cajun.  He would talk to me while he worked, and then laugh when he saw I didn't have the slightest idea what he had said.  That's another amazing thing -- an area exists in our country where people have lived for 200 years who still speak a different language among themselves.

 

Consider Native Americans.  Much longer than 200 years. 

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Posted by Convicted One on Saturday, November 21, 2020 11:22 AM

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an area exists in our country where people have lived for 200 years who still speak a different language among themselves.

As I was growing up, one of the neighbor's had a wife from Decatur, Il.  She spoke fast, in short bursts and had an unusual inflection where the end of most multi-syllable words were given a fade.  She would pronounce Decatur as "DeeKAYTaahhh".  A conversation with her was an assault upon the eardrums. Whenever we would hear a squirrel chattering, my dad would frequently joke "there's ol Ada from Dekaytahh"

Most folks would ask her to repeat herself frequently when talking to her. She insisted that "everyone talks like that back home" ...having never been there personally, I wouldn't know either way.  But it definitely seemed like a second language, until you got used to it.

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Posted by Paul of Covington on Saturday, November 21, 2020 12:58 PM

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I worked in MidCity -- the school was on Canal Street. 

   Warren Easton, Sacred Heart or St. Ant'ny?  I lived one block from Warren Easton and went to Sacred Heart two blocks away.

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Posted by Paul of Covington on Saturday, November 21, 2020 1:00 PM

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I once had a conversation with a woman from New Orleans and her accent struck me as a combination of Southern and Brooklyn.

   That might have been Nint' Wawd.   Sort of Brooklyn with a twang.

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, November 21, 2020 1:33 PM

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Consider Native Americans.  Much longer than 200 years. 

Or some southwesterners of "Hispanic" descent who were 'here' a number of generations before the Pilgrims...

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Posted by SD60MAC9500 on Saturday, November 21, 2020 2:54 PM
 

Gratiot and Livernois.. If you're not from Michigan take your best shot..

 
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Posted by Shock Control on Saturday, November 21, 2020 3:02 PM

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I once had a conversation with a woman from New Orleans and her accent struck me as a combination of Southern and Brooklyn.

There is a section of New Orleans that was settled by German and Irish immigrants.  This linguistic/accent combination is responsible for the New York accent, and this accent also naturally evolved, more or less, in this section of New Orleans.

John Kennedy Toole's brilliant A Confederacy of Dunces references this factoid in the preface.  

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Posted by NKP guy on Saturday, November 21, 2020 3:46 PM

  To SD60MAC:  As for Gratiot and Livernois: 

   I'll have a go.

   From listening to CKLW in the 1960's, this (former) Clevelander believes this intersection (?) would be pronounced  GRAAH-shut & LIVER-noy.

   (It's difficult to write out our Great Lakes-ese accent with its the very flat "aah" sound which I tried to indicate. It might be pronounced as aah as in grab.

 

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Posted by tree68 on Saturday, November 21, 2020 3:51 PM

Considering I had family in the vicinity of Gratiot, and grew up in the outer 'burbs, I'll have to disqualify my self.

Dad lived on Bewick.

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Posted by SALfan on Saturday, November 21, 2020 4:56 PM

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Through school I spent 1st throug 4th grade in 4 different schools in 3 different states - the balance through HS graduation was spent 5 different schools in 3 different states.  College ended up being 3 schools in two states.

No matter where I went I would always get the same comment - You aren't from around here are you! 

At each stop along the way I would pick up speaking mannerisms from where I was at the time - at the next stop the local mannerisms would be different in some aspect.

When I went to Jacksonville for CSX's centralized dispatch center I expected a wide range of 'local accents' - and there were.  The anticipated 'heavy southern' accent among the Dispatchers from the South was nowhere near as bad as I had thought it would be.  That changed when one listened into the dispatchers communications with field personnel on subdivisions in the South.  The 'locals' in the South had HARD Southern speech mannerisms.

 

I have a thick Southern accent (when I talk you can smell the magnolias and the biscuits and gravy).  Spent about three years working for a guy of Finnish extraction from the upper reaches of Min-ne-so-ta, yah; his Minnesota accent was as heavy as my Southern one.  It took us about six months to be able to reliably communicate, and even after that occasionally one of us would say something that stumped the other one.  Once took a business trip to the interior of Wiss-kahn-sun and sat in a meeting with some people who had grown up there.  The locals and I might as well have been jabbering in Swahili at each other; luckily my boss (from Oklahoma) and his boss (from somewhere in the Midwest) were able to interpret when needed.

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Posted by SALfan on Saturday, November 21, 2020 5:04 PM

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I spent a lot of years in Georgia. The pronunciation I'm used to for Albany (GA) is ALL-benny.

 

That's how the locals pronounce it; my mother's sister lived there, and other family south of there.  Cairo, GA is pronounced KAY-ro by the locals, and Lafayette is Luh-FAY-ett.  For Tree68, Vienna, GA is also pronounced Vie-ENNA.

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, November 21, 2020 5:19 PM

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Spent about three years working for a guy of Finnish extraction from the upper reaches of Min-ne-so-ta, yah; his Minnesota accent was as heavy as my Southern one.  It took us about six months to be able to reliably communicate,

This must have been before MLS and Howard Mohr, then... Smile, Wink & Grin

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