Let's see if I have this straight...
After 25 plus deaths, millions of dollars of damage, all the pain and suffering these people have gone through, you are "frustrated" that the NTSB and other agencies haven't given you enough information and photographs to play "what if" with?
So what would make you happy, a few photos of the engineers corpse, burned and crushed...maybe a few close-ups of the crash post in the Metro locomotive bent backwards...maybe a photo of all the body bags stacked up in the morgue, so you can have a real accurate body count?
What do you need all the info for?
So you can recreate the wreck with your model trains, and maybe solve the "mystery" of what happened before the NTSB does?
Here is a clue...the Metro Link engineer ran a red signal...people died...isn't that enough to amuse you and relieve your frustration?
Here is another clue...I would bet the NTSB, the FRA, Metrolink and UP, along with the engineers widow and kids, and all the survivors, right about now could really care less if you are frustrated.
Here is what is really frustrating...the bodies haven't even been released, are barely cold, and a bunch of morbid people start whining that they haven't been given all the details they feel they are entitled to, simply to satisfy their curiosity and "frustration".
Not trying to pick on you personally, but folks need to find another hobby besides trying to second guess the "why" behind people's deaths....
rjemery wrote: I find it frustrating that there is yet to appear no diagram to scale showing the location of the Chatsworth collision, signal towers, switches, station, etc.There is also no information given on what safety and signal equipment was implemented trackside or in the respective locomotive cabs.No information yet on what kind of CTC was in operation and what alarms were sounded when the Metrolink train passed a red and drove through the points onto the single track porition of the line. No photo of the signal tower the Metrolink train apparently passed on a stop/red. It would be interesting to know what kind of signal it is, how many heads are displayed and how many lamps are in each head.All of the above should have become available by this time. Instead, it seems it is being kept under wraps. One shouldn't have to wait a year or more to learn any of these facts now.
I find it frustrating that there is yet to appear no diagram to scale showing the location of the Chatsworth collision, signal towers, switches, station, etc.
There is also no information given on what safety and signal equipment was implemented trackside or in the respective locomotive cabs.
No information yet on what kind of CTC was in operation and what alarms were sounded when the Metrolink train passed a red and drove through the points onto the single track porition of the line.
No photo of the signal tower the Metrolink train apparently passed on a stop/red. It would be interesting to know what kind of signal it is, how many heads are displayed and how many lamps are in each head.
All of the above should have become available by this time. Instead, it seems it is being kept under wraps. One shouldn't have to wait a year or more to learn any of these facts now.
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rjemery wrote:I find it frustrating that there is yet to appear no diagram to scale showing the location of the Chatsworth collision, signal towers, switches, station, etc.There is also no information given on what safety and signal equipment was implemented trackside or in the respective locomotive cabs.No information yet on what kind of CTC was in operation and what alarms were sounded when the Metrolink train passed a red and drove through the points onto the single track porition of the line. No photo of the signal tower the Metrolink train apparently passed on a stop/red. It would be interesting to know what kind of signal it is, how many heads are displayed and how many lamps are in each head.All of the above should have become available by this time. Instead, it seems it is being kept under wraps. One shouldn't have to wait a year or more to learn any of these facts now.
On the railfan website Trainorders.com there have been diagrams posted, pictures of the wreckage and the recovery operation, and photographs of the signal involved, taken not within the last few days, but since the siding was extended showing the current setup. There are multiple threads, some with more than 100 postings so it can take a bit of effort to find the diagrams and photos being discussed, also some are on the Western board and some are on the Passenger Board. You can look at the first page of any discussion without being a member, and should be able to see the diagrams, but you can only see thumbnails of the photgraphs.
Based on what I've seen and read so far, they still have a lot of ground to cover. I'm not implying that illegal substances were used when I point out that toxicology reports take time, too. In a situation such as this, discretion is the better part of valor. When all the facts are in, they'll talk.
This isn't like a crime investigation where they let stuff slip hoping the bad guy will bite on it or someone will put two and two together and blow someone in.
Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it...
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