marcimmeker wrote: I have been away from this forum for a few months, come back and this is the first thread I look at.Has there been much tension between railroaders and railfans lately for the railroaders to come down so harshly on magicman?I found the answers by Tree68 and Selector very helpfull as I am not working in the industry, are an ocean away etc. If I were new here and every question I had would be answered by railroaders on the forum in this way it would turn me away very quickly.In short, LimitedClear your answer this time was particularly unhelpfull because of the way you answered and it annoyed me greatly, in youtube terms it was a thumbs down. Please, when we have a question do not answer it in this way again. I prefer you remain silent.
I have been away from this forum for a few months, come back and this is the first thread I look at.
Has there been much tension between railroaders and railfans lately for the railroaders to come down so harshly on magicman?
I found the answers by Tree68 and Selector very helpfull as I am not working in the industry, are an ocean away etc. If I were new here and every question I had would be answered by railroaders on the forum in this way it would turn me away very quickly.
In short, LimitedClear your answer this time was particularly unhelpfull because of the way you answered and it annoyed me greatly, in youtube terms it was a thumbs down. Please, when we have a question do not answer it in this way again. I prefer you remain silent.
Sometimes the truth hurts...
I'll continue to respond as I deem appropriate.
LC
CSSHEGEWISCH wrote: tree68 wrote: Having your presence on the web scrutinized is getting widespread - witness the potential college students who are having problems due to what theyve posted on MySpace and FaceBook.Search engines make it pretty easy. Try Googling your own name some time. Gets pretty scary.For those of us who are old enough to remember our teachers threatening to put our misbehavior on the once-mythical "permanent record", it now exists and individuals are putting their less-than-exemplary behavior on it all by themselves. And then they wonder why it's hard for them to get into their chosen college or hired.
tree68 wrote: Having your presence on the web scrutinized is getting widespread - witness the potential college students who are having problems due to what theyve posted on MySpace and FaceBook.Search engines make it pretty easy. Try Googling your own name some time. Gets pretty scary.
Having your presence on the web scrutinized is getting widespread - witness the potential college students who are having problems due to what theyve posted on MySpace and FaceBook.
Search engines make it pretty easy. Try Googling your own name some time. Gets pretty scary.
For those of us who are old enough to remember our teachers threatening to put our misbehavior on the once-mythical "permanent record", it now exists and individuals are putting their less-than-exemplary behavior on it all by themselves. And then they wonder why it's hard for them to get into their chosen college or hired.
The info on the net has, I would guess, about a 50% chance of being correct.
Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar.
Here is a perfect example of how an in-cab video could be used against a railroad in court. On "Close call with kids on bikes", a prosecuting attorney could say the engineer should have been paying more attention to his job than shooting a video, whether or not the engineer was truly negligent. Check it out:
PigFarmer1 wrote: alstom wrote:My take on this is - if the footage does not do any harm to railroad property, or expose any company secrets, the individual who shot the footage should not be penalized, too bad at least. If the person who shot the footage shows everything in the cab, interior of the longhood and beyond, it should be taken more seriously and dealt with more heavily.I have ran into alot worse in-cab, employee shot videos on Youtube. The user "dumbbuff" was guilty of tons of cab videos from CSX. He has since quit working for CSX, and now works the WNY&P in western New York. Granted, his in-cab video clips were not very long in duration, they were still in violation of the CSX rules. According to him, CSX had never caught him taking these videos, and had never found them on Youtube, and he is just fine.On the other side of the coin, I have run into some employees who take it too far. The videos "Michael Running a Train" and "Michael Running a Train 2" are just plain stupid. The video includes both of the crew member's names. It shows both of their faces, the crew members even mention the route they're on once or twice. To top it off, other rule violations are caught on video. The conductor has his cellphone on in a moving piece of equipment, which is a violation. To see these videos, I posted the links below:http://www.youtube.com/watch?=wW0ip5x1QnIhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMLIqYr4uIA&feature=relatedAny opinions on these videos from you guys?........... No offense but, your take on this is irrelevant. Those of us who work for the railroad know that it is against the rules to use electronic "gadgets" (video games, cameras, I-pods, and phones as well as crossword puzzles, Soduko, and reading books/magazines/newspapers) in the cabs of vehicles, machines, and locomotives. We are rountinely warned against doing it. To blatantly break the rules and then post footage of it on the internet could easily be viewed as insubordination by the carrier and and insubordination is a firing offense. There are no gray areas to be discussed.
alstom wrote:My take on this is - if the footage does not do any harm to railroad property, or expose any company secrets, the individual who shot the footage should not be penalized, too bad at least. If the person who shot the footage shows everything in the cab, interior of the longhood and beyond, it should be taken more seriously and dealt with more heavily.I have ran into alot worse in-cab, employee shot videos on Youtube. The user "dumbbuff" was guilty of tons of cab videos from CSX. He has since quit working for CSX, and now works the WNY&P in western New York. Granted, his in-cab video clips were not very long in duration, they were still in violation of the CSX rules. According to him, CSX had never caught him taking these videos, and had never found them on Youtube, and he is just fine.On the other side of the coin, I have run into some employees who take it too far. The videos "Michael Running a Train" and "Michael Running a Train 2" are just plain stupid. The video includes both of the crew member's names. It shows both of their faces, the crew members even mention the route they're on once or twice. To top it off, other rule violations are caught on video. The conductor has his cellphone on in a moving piece of equipment, which is a violation. To see these videos, I posted the links below:http://www.youtube.com/watch?=wW0ip5x1QnIhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMLIqYr4uIA&feature=relatedAny opinions on these videos from you guys?...........
My take on this is - if the footage does not do any harm to railroad property, or expose any company secrets, the individual who shot the footage should not be penalized, too bad at least. If the person who shot the footage shows everything in the cab, interior of the longhood and beyond, it should be taken more seriously and dealt with more heavily.
I have ran into alot worse in-cab, employee shot videos on Youtube. The user "dumbbuff" was guilty of tons of cab videos from CSX. He has since quit working for CSX, and now works the WNY&P in western New York. Granted, his in-cab video clips were not very long in duration, they were still in violation of the CSX rules. According to him, CSX had never caught him taking these videos, and had never found them on Youtube, and he is just fine.
On the other side of the coin, I have run into some employees who take it too far. The videos "Michael Running a Train" and "Michael Running a Train 2" are just plain stupid. The video includes both of the crew member's names. It shows both of their faces, the crew members even mention the route they're on once or twice. To top it off, other rule violations are caught on video. The conductor has his cellphone on in a moving piece of equipment, which is a violation. To see these videos, I posted the links below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?=wW0ip5x1QnI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMLIqYr4uIA&feature=related
Any opinions on these videos from you guys?
...........
No offense but, your take on this is irrelevant. Those of us who work for the railroad know that it is against the rules to use electronic "gadgets" (video games, cameras, I-pods, and phones as well as crossword puzzles, Soduko, and reading books/magazines/newspapers) in the cabs of vehicles, machines, and locomotives. We are rountinely warned against doing it. To blatantly break the rules and then post footage of it on the internet could easily be viewed as insubordination by the carrier and and insubordination is a firing offense. There are no gray areas to be discussed.
I never made any indication that "this is how the rules should be", I am just saying that this is my outlook on the situation, take it or leave it. Two more users I found on Youtube that have pretty intense cab videos, would be "imbologna" and "csxman199." Both of them explain controls, show footage of them making yard movements, operating locomotives or otherwise moving equipment around. Names are given out in these individual's videos, and routes are given out. They are setting themselves up for stiff penalty.
I myself have taken footage and video in the cab of the locomotive(s), but I never post photos of the crew, never include the crewmember(s) in either my footage or photos, don't particularly care to get their names, and definitely don't reveal engine number and date of the event. Some of you may think that I am at fault for even taking footage/photos in the cab. Too bad, I am a railfan and jump at a chance to get to see one of these crewmember's homes.
Again, I was not saying that they should change the rules based on my opinions, I was just stating my outlook on the situation. Rules won't change, and crews will get in trouble for having electronics onboard a moving piece of equipment. I do believe crewmembers are allowed to talk on the cellphone, or use a camera on a stationary piece of equipment though, at least that is how the rules and regulations are on Norfolk Southern, and I believe CSX.
tree68 wrote:Having your presence on the web scrutinized is getting widespread - witness the potential college students who are having problems due to what theyve posted on MySpace and FaceBook.Search engines make it pretty easy. Try Googling your own name some time. Gets pretty scary.
So true Larry, so true. With the rise of Facebook, MySpace and the like, its not that hard for any given HR person who is looking into a potential job applicant to cruise those sites looking to see if that person has a profile on a site like that. I have had a MySpace page for the last 3 years, and I am very careful what I put up there. I love when I browse that site, and see some people who post pictures of themselves in just about any compromising position you can think of. My career counselor warned me about MySpace, telling me that alot of companies are plugged in, and regularly search both MySpace and Facebook looking up potential job applicants.(It depends, really, on the importance of the job) And, before anyone says it, forget about "privacy" with sites like that, because once you put something on a site like that, any "expectation of privacy" goes right out the window. When one posts on those "social networking" sites, they are putting whatever it is they post in a very public place, accessible by anyone. And to find you, all a company has to do is Google your email address, not necessarily your name, and they can get every email address that goes with your name as well.
People have had job opportunities evaporate because of the content of their MySpace, or similar page. I have read several articles on it in the past year or so. The more you put yourself out there, the more people will know.
Try this: In addition to "googling" your name, as Larry suggested, also "google" your email address, or, google your screen name. .... chances are everything you ever posted on any forum in the past however many years will be found by the search engine. I tried it, and found a posts to dating site forums that I made five, and six years ago. Every post I ever made here was found, as was all of my photos on my photo site. There was even a post to a computer forum that I belonged to back in 2000 that showed up in the search. If it's there, it will be found, even if you have forgotten about it.
Edited to add: I just did it again, and it came back with 1,380 entries for my screen name
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csxengineer98 wrote: TimChgo9 wrote: csxengineer98 wrote:its not just youtube they look at.. big brother from the railroads is everywhere where employees might post censitive company information for the public.. even here...csx engineer So, employees of any given company should be able to post sensitive company information on the web??? I don't follow.... It's not "Big Brother", it is a business protecting it's interests. In this electronic information age, companies have to take steps to make sure that their trade secrets, procedures, and etc, are not made public, or made available to people who shouldn't see them. If a group of people put their money together to develop a business idea, then, shouldn't they have the right to reasonably protect that investment? Companies, from Microsoft to Kellogg's Cereal have trade secrets, procedures, and other things that they must protect from falling into the hands of their competitors, lest they lose their competitive edge. So what if a company goes to forums and other message boards that are industry specific (Trains.com could be considered "industry specific") looking to see if sensitive things leak out about their company. I worked at a company about 10 years ago, where we dealt with the manufacture of color laser printers, a field that was highly competitive back in the late 90's. Since I worked in the Field Service unit of the company and had access to all of the technical info about the company's products, I had to sign a confidentiality agreement, and my email and phone calls were regularly monitored, as was everyone else's in my department. So, if the BNSF yanks the videos on You Tube, then that's their business. The first time I saw a "cab ride" video on there, I was wondering just what the crew member was thinking. First off, I don't find the videos all that interesting, but that's beside the point. My first comment when I saw one was "Wow, someone is going to get in trouble." Somehow or another, the gap between "rails" and "fans" has got be closed. As fans, we need to start appreciating the fact that the guys behind the throttle are working, and are not there to entertain us, and the "rails" have to realize that not all of us are "foaming at the mouth geeks" looking to get in their way. Also, as fans, we have to realize that the rails, and the railroads don't "owe" us anything. They are engaged in the movement of freight and passengers around the country in order to make a profit. All the railroads have PR offices, and do things to present a friendly face to the general public, which is what any wise company does, but that's where it starts and stops. They don't owe us cab ride videos, or clean locomotives, or constantly waving, ever cheerful employees, or matching paint schemes, for that matter. What rails and fans owe each other is some respect, and common courtesy, but like anything else those have to be earned. I don't take issue with LC's answers at all... he's telling it how it is, and well, that's it then. the point i was making was the the railroads arnt just watching youtube..they watch any sight where railroad employees might gather on the net... such as this sight.. and yes..its the railrods big brother.. not the goverments big brother..but im sure the DHS..FBI..and other fed and state govermement security aggenceces take a look at places like this to keep an eye on things too.. maybe its both to them working together..who knows..im not privy to that level of information about the companys security and how they go about checking for leaks and breaches... as for the posting information..i never once said that it was ok to do.. i stated that carriers do check for things to see if things are leaked... csx engineer
TimChgo9 wrote: csxengineer98 wrote:its not just youtube they look at.. big brother from the railroads is everywhere where employees might post censitive company information for the public.. even here...csx engineer So, employees of any given company should be able to post sensitive company information on the web??? I don't follow.... It's not "Big Brother", it is a business protecting it's interests. In this electronic information age, companies have to take steps to make sure that their trade secrets, procedures, and etc, are not made public, or made available to people who shouldn't see them. If a group of people put their money together to develop a business idea, then, shouldn't they have the right to reasonably protect that investment? Companies, from Microsoft to Kellogg's Cereal have trade secrets, procedures, and other things that they must protect from falling into the hands of their competitors, lest they lose their competitive edge. So what if a company goes to forums and other message boards that are industry specific (Trains.com could be considered "industry specific") looking to see if sensitive things leak out about their company. I worked at a company about 10 years ago, where we dealt with the manufacture of color laser printers, a field that was highly competitive back in the late 90's. Since I worked in the Field Service unit of the company and had access to all of the technical info about the company's products, I had to sign a confidentiality agreement, and my email and phone calls were regularly monitored, as was everyone else's in my department. So, if the BNSF yanks the videos on You Tube, then that's their business. The first time I saw a "cab ride" video on there, I was wondering just what the crew member was thinking. First off, I don't find the videos all that interesting, but that's beside the point. My first comment when I saw one was "Wow, someone is going to get in trouble." Somehow or another, the gap between "rails" and "fans" has got be closed. As fans, we need to start appreciating the fact that the guys behind the throttle are working, and are not there to entertain us, and the "rails" have to realize that not all of us are "foaming at the mouth geeks" looking to get in their way. Also, as fans, we have to realize that the rails, and the railroads don't "owe" us anything. They are engaged in the movement of freight and passengers around the country in order to make a profit. All the railroads have PR offices, and do things to present a friendly face to the general public, which is what any wise company does, but that's where it starts and stops. They don't owe us cab ride videos, or clean locomotives, or constantly waving, ever cheerful employees, or matching paint schemes, for that matter. What rails and fans owe each other is some respect, and common courtesy, but like anything else those have to be earned. I don't take issue with LC's answers at all... he's telling it how it is, and well, that's it then.
csxengineer98 wrote:its not just youtube they look at.. big brother from the railroads is everywhere where employees might post censitive company information for the public.. even here...csx engineer
its not just youtube they look at.. big brother from the railroads is everywhere where employees might post censitive company information for the public.. even here...
csx engineer
So, employees of any given company should be able to post sensitive company information on the web??? I don't follow.... It's not "Big Brother", it is a business protecting it's interests. In this electronic information age, companies have to take steps to make sure that their trade secrets, procedures, and etc, are not made public, or made available to people who shouldn't see them. If a group of people put their money together to develop a business idea, then, shouldn't they have the right to reasonably protect that investment? Companies, from Microsoft to Kellogg's Cereal have trade secrets, procedures, and other things that they must protect from falling into the hands of their competitors, lest they lose their competitive edge. So what if a company goes to forums and other message boards that are industry specific (Trains.com could be considered "industry specific") looking to see if sensitive things leak out about their company. I worked at a company about 10 years ago, where we dealt with the manufacture of color laser printers, a field that was highly competitive back in the late 90's. Since I worked in the Field Service unit of the company and had access to all of the technical info about the company's products, I had to sign a confidentiality agreement, and my email and phone calls were regularly monitored, as was everyone else's in my department.
So, if the BNSF yanks the videos on You Tube, then that's their business. The first time I saw a "cab ride" video on there, I was wondering just what the crew member was thinking. First off, I don't find the videos all that interesting, but that's beside the point. My first comment when I saw one was "Wow, someone is going to get in trouble."
Somehow or another, the gap between "rails" and "fans" has got be closed. As fans, we need to start appreciating the fact that the guys behind the throttle are working, and are not there to entertain us, and the "rails" have to realize that not all of us are "foaming at the mouth geeks" looking to get in their way. Also, as fans, we have to realize that the rails, and the railroads don't "owe" us anything. They are engaged in the movement of freight and passengers around the country in order to make a profit. All the railroads have PR offices, and do things to present a friendly face to the general public, which is what any wise company does, but that's where it starts and stops. They don't owe us cab ride videos, or clean locomotives, or constantly waving, ever cheerful employees, or matching paint schemes, for that matter. What rails and fans owe each other is some respect, and common courtesy, but like anything else those have to be earned.
I don't take issue with LC's answers at all... he's telling it how it is, and well, that's it then.
First off I think DHS, and the FBI would only come here if they had a reason. And, if the railroads (as well as any other big company) are "here", if you will, it is their right to react, and to protect their interests. It's not "Big Brother", that is an ominous sounding name applying to an all-seeing, all-knowing entity, which the railroads are not. If, however, they find that there are things on any given site that may be a cause for concern, I am sure that they then look into it, and if action is warranted they take it.... but, I am sure they do not spy on every person that works for them.... what company on this earth has those kinds of resources?
Of all the railroads, BNSF has been the most positive to me as a railfan. While I have actively solicited permission to photograph from other RR and been denied, BNSF offered me an opportunity to register with them. I have an ID card and a registration number that I always carry. Of course there are rules, but I have no problem with being allowed to photo and track movements with those rules.
"Keeping America's rail transportation network safe from crime and terrorist activity is a high-priority for today's railroad industry.
Citizens for Rail Security (CRS) encourages rail fans to report suspicious activities, trespassers or individuals to BNSF's Resource Operations Command Center.
However, when pursuing your hobby you do not have the right to trespass on railroad property or rights-of-way. It is illegal and dangerous and will be viewed by law enforcement as a criminal offense subject to arrest and prosecution.
Thank you for your interest in BNSF."
Howard in Greeley
marknewton wrote: marcimmeker wrote:In short, LimitedClear your answer this time was particularly unhelpfull because of the way you answered and it annoyed me greatly, in youtube terms it was a thumbs down. Please, when we have a question do not answer it in this way again. I prefer you remain silent.Yes, it's far better that LimitedClear spare your feelings than tell you the truth. IMO it was a very helpful answer - he clearly ans succinctly explained why in-cab videos made by traincrew are a no-no. If you had an ounce of sense you'd realise this.Mark.
marcimmeker wrote:In short, LimitedClear your answer this time was particularly unhelpfull because of the way you answered and it annoyed me greatly, in youtube terms it was a thumbs down. Please, when we have a question do not answer it in this way again. I prefer you remain silent.
Well, I have been away from this forum for a reason as I have to deal with some complicated personal issues that leave me in a very irritated state of mind.
The tone of LimitedClear's answer seemed to me different then he used before I left this forum.
I leave it at that as I do not want to irritate railroaders. They have been helpfull before explaining things about their job and I appreciate that very much.
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edblysard wrote: All Class 1 roads, and most others for that matter, have the same basic rules about employees taking photographs and videos on property while on duty...simply put, any such photographs and video is the property of the railroad, and must be submitted to the carrier prior to publication.I take quite a few photos of the railroad where I work, and as a matter of safety, never do so while I am on duty...it is dangerous, and a violation of my railroads safety rules.If BNSF had their employee remove the video from youtube, there are some fairly good reasons to do so.Said video may have shown proprietarily information or procedures, or may have contained footage that management felt left the carrier liable in some way....it really doesn't matter, it is their railroad, their locomotive, and their employee, whom they are paying to run a train, not a video camera. Imagine the result if, while he was video tapping, the train was involved in a grade crossing accident.I can easily imagine the prosecuting attorney asking the engineer, "So, instead of paying attention to your surroundings, you were adjusting your video camera, and didn't see the car approaching the crossing..."Or asking management, "Does BNSF routinely allow their engineers to play with cameras and such while operating something as dangerous as a train?" By allowing this video to remain on youtube, it could be argued that BNSF encouraged or endorsed such actions, which leave the railroad wide open for all types of lawsuits.I would imagine that the Risk Management folks from BNSF routinely surf the net looking for such things, as do the same folks at UP...their job is to protect the carrier from liability, not entertain railfans. You guys need to understand that when a railroader does post photos or video, he or she is risking their job doing so.If it comes down to my job, or your entertainment, well, guess which one wins....You should thankfully take what you do get to see, and not worry about what might be removed from youtube.
All Class 1 roads, and most others for that matter, have the same basic rules about employees taking photographs and videos on property while on duty...simply put, any such photographs and video is the property of the railroad, and must be submitted to the carrier prior to publication.
I take quite a few photos of the railroad where I work, and as a matter of safety, never do so while I am on duty...it is dangerous, and a violation of my railroads safety rules.
If BNSF had their employee remove the video from youtube, there are some fairly good reasons to do so.
Said video may have shown proprietarily information or procedures, or may have contained footage that management felt left the carrier liable in some way....it really doesn't matter, it is their railroad, their locomotive, and their employee, whom they are paying to run a train, not a video camera.
Imagine the result if, while he was video tapping, the train was involved in a grade crossing accident.
I can easily imagine the prosecuting attorney asking the engineer,
"So, instead of paying attention to your surroundings, you were adjusting your video camera, and didn't see the car approaching the crossing..."
Or asking management, "Does BNSF routinely allow their engineers to play with cameras and such while operating something as dangerous as a train?"
By allowing this video to remain on youtube, it could be argued that BNSF encouraged or endorsed such actions, which leave the railroad wide open for all types of lawsuits.
I would imagine that the Risk Management folks from BNSF routinely surf the net looking for such things, as do the same folks at UP...their job is to protect the carrier from liability, not entertain railfans.
You guys need to understand that when a railroader does post photos or video, he or she is risking their job doing so.
If it comes down to my job, or your entertainment, well, guess which one wins....
You should thankfully take what you do get to see, and not worry about what might be removed from youtube.
Ed,
Thanks for the reply. I fully understand that safety must come first, always as does liability.
This employee was clearly not paying attention to the rules he signed up to thus giving us a false picture of the business.
Thanks to all railroaders who love their job and share their love with us fans here.
Maybe we should "pester" the public relations departments of railroads to put up some approved videos of cab rides?
Thanks again.
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Hmmm. Writing in about an area clearly within the private property of the railroad from which outsiders are excluded by law. An area considered both safety and security sensitive and from which heavy, very heavy equipment is controlled and you think that because railfans are interested in cab videos that somehow matters?!?
You are either trolling for railroader responses or you are completely clueless.
Neither you nor any employee has any right to shoot such video and such video is clearly in violation of safety rules, Federal Regulations (FRA and TSA at least) and possibly even Federal Statutory Law. The individual shooting the videos should have been fired and I'm somewhat surprised he (or she) wasn't.
Oh, and I don't care if you don't like either of my responses, as I am and have been in the RR industry for some time both in operations (Engineer and Conductor) and Management.
magicman710 wrote: ...What I am asking is, dont you think that railroads should have more important things to do than be looking at videos on youtube to make sure there is no cab videos?Do truck companies search youtube trying to catch one of their drivers making videos of the cab in their truck for truck fans? I dont believe so.I know its a matter of "safety" but how does having a camera sitting in the cab (not being held) in any way affect the safety of the train? I can understand the engineer holding the camera and trying to run it at the same time; but if the train is stopped and your holding it or if it is sitting on the dash, is it really that unsafe?
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What I am asking is, dont you think that railroads should have more important things to do than be looking at videos on youtube to make sure there is no cab videos?
Do truck companies search youtube trying to catch one of their drivers making videos of the cab in their truck for truck fans? I dont believe so.
I know its a matter of "safety" but how does having a camera sitting in the cab (not being held) in any way affect the safety of the train? I can understand the engineer holding the camera and trying to run it at the same time; but if the train is stopped and your holding it or if it is sitting on the dash, is it really that unsafe?
To your first question, yes, and that's the whole point. The rule was theirs to make, they posted the rule, the rule was willfully violated, and when they learned of it they acted to support the purpose of their rule. What about that is odd?
I don't know about trucking companies in this respect, largely because they are irrelevant, just as would be lead acid batteries, bus companies, dandelions,...whew...the list is endless. But how this company learned of the videos is also irrelevant. They learned, and then acted in keeping with their internal policies to ensure compliance. Again, is that odd?
Finally, about safety. Wantonly flaunting one's own disregard and disrespect of one's employer's rules doesn't sound like a very safe, or smart, thing to do. If you want oddity, that would indeed be odd.
-Crandell
Folks, the rules are clear. No electronic devices operating when you are on-duty. Not cameras, not games, not I-pods. Cell phones are allowed in emergency situations, and as redudant communications. Laptops only for rules reference.
What I am hearing is, a bunch of folks who want real railroaders to risk their jobs for some videos, the heck with Safety.
I'd think that what you do in your workplace should stay there. Youtube?, a fodder pile. The guy most have gotten far from his job to even think of doing that.
Management should have canned him or put him on a rehab program.
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Limitedclear wrote: Troll ALERT!!LC
Troll ALERT!!
Hmmm... Thats a interesting statement... I hope you have some evidence to back that up.
Probably 80% of railfans who want to view videos go to youtube, and cab videos probably make up a good perecentage of those searched, because alot of people want to see them.
I post a thread about the fact that the most well know cab videographer had to remove his videos and asked why, and I am cited as a troll? Logic please?
I have been on the series of Trains forums for over 2 years now, with probably 90% of my postings to Classic Toy Trains, because I am a O Gauge Modeler.
I come here a few times to ask some questions that bother me, but when I do so, I am calle d a troll? Logic please?
Perhaps this is forum where you need to be "approved" to post. I'm pretty sure its not.
Now if possible, I hope this thread can go back to the orginial thread subject. The first couple of posts where very informative and what I wanted. The third, not exactly.
"Lionel trains are the standard of the world" - Jousha Lionel Cowen
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