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Is slack still necessary?

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Posted by route_rock on Monday, June 9, 2008 9:05 AM

  One reason for not hearing slack when starting is as a policy we try to stop with the train stretched.It allows for a smooth start for one and two keeps the malcontents from being able to pull the pin on you.

  You now things are going good when you start up and as soon as the motor starts to move old fred gives a beep and says hes moving too.

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Posted by Modelcar on Monday, June 9, 2008 8:50 AM

....So it sounds to me {from the last statements above}, the act  of coupling / uncoupling process relies more on slack in the operation of a train than does slack being used to start a train.

Does slack give starting a mile long train that much advantage when it only provides 50' or so to work with....Watched a 5 engine train on the Frankfort line here start last night {and didn't hear any slack...being taken up}, must have been stretched...{and just 2 of the engines were on line}, so that {the other 3}, were added dead weight....but it is level track here from where we watched...But it sounded like the engineer just notched lightly to start.....as he was to proceed slowly...{heard it on my radio}, so the diamond at CSX could be cleared by the time this train arrived there...just a mile or less ahead.  Guess I'm saying the train seemed to move out very easy without using "Slack".

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 9, 2008 8:14 AM
You would almost need a compressed air powered slack-removing wedge with spring withdrawl on each coupler.  And even that would need a bleed valve in order to pull the pin with the trainline charged.
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Posted by zardoz on Monday, June 9, 2008 7:26 AM
Not to mention that it would be rather difficult to uncouple cars if there was no slack.
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Posted by tree68 on Monday, June 9, 2008 7:04 AM

The tolerance issue notwithstanding, another use of slack that has gone by the wayside was using it to start a long, heavy train.

Before high horsepower, DP, and roller bearings, trains would often be started by bunching up the slack (while stopping, if possible), then pulling it out.  The locomotive only had to start one car rolling at a time (albeit in rapid succession).  I've been around trains when you could hear the slack action coming and going from your vantage point mid-train. 

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Posted by Modelcar on Monday, June 9, 2008 6:49 AM

.....Do they {by design}, get away with less slack on passenger trains simply because they are shorter and less tonnage...?

One would sure think it would be less difficult to operate a train {freight}, if less slack was "built in" to couplers, etc...

Does today's tonnage and power combination allow operation of a long freight train {if less slack was the condition}.....?

Is it a fact slack is benificial  to getting a train started in some instances....?

One would think {by looking at the design}, the Triple Crown type trains have quite a bit less slack than normal rail cars consist has....but understand it is much less tonnage too...

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Posted by route_rock on Sunday, June 8, 2008 11:27 PM
  Even if you take all the slack from between the knuckles you still have cuhioned drawbars to worry about. Some engineers can run a good train and have little slack action and others are just murderous. Then somedays you get them to switch spots lol. I know when I am having a bad day I try to calm down and take it a bit easier.I try not to be rough with the equipment as I like my conductors ( Usually) and dont want them to have to walk back and fix any problem I may have caused.

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Posted by chad thomas on Sunday, June 8, 2008 11:22 PM

Welcome to the forum.

I would say slack is a nessasary evil in couplers for longevity. If the tolerances were tighter they would probably have a much shorter lifespan and thus higher maintainance costs. just my 2 cents.

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Is slack still necessary?
Posted by NP Red on Sunday, June 8, 2008 10:43 PM
With hi-power diesels these days is train slack still a must to start a long train a moving. Maybe cars could be manufactured with less slack or even very little. Wouldn't this help in alot of cituations?

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