BaltACD wrote: IRONROOSTER wrote: n012944 wrote: IRONROOSTER wrote: . The telling part was when the railroads suspended shipments while the president was at the football game. When Air Force One lands at a commercial airport, all takeoff and landings by other aircraft are suspended until the aircraft is taxied to a safe spot. Under your reasoning, all landing and takeoffs should stop around any city of size, since they are too "dangerous" to do around the president.I believe the article refers to suspending hazmat shipments not all trains. Paul Paul When the Pres is in the area....ALL freight train movements are suspended until the Pres leaves the area.
IRONROOSTER wrote: n012944 wrote: IRONROOSTER wrote: . The telling part was when the railroads suspended shipments while the president was at the football game. When Air Force One lands at a commercial airport, all takeoff and landings by other aircraft are suspended until the aircraft is taxied to a safe spot. Under your reasoning, all landing and takeoffs should stop around any city of size, since they are too "dangerous" to do around the president.I believe the article refers to suspending hazmat shipments not all trains. Paul Paul
n012944 wrote: IRONROOSTER wrote: . The telling part was when the railroads suspended shipments while the president was at the football game. When Air Force One lands at a commercial airport, all takeoff and landings by other aircraft are suspended until the aircraft is taxied to a safe spot. Under your reasoning, all landing and takeoffs should stop around any city of size, since they are too "dangerous" to do around the president.
IRONROOSTER wrote: . The telling part was when the railroads suspended shipments while the president was at the football game.
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The telling part was when the railroads suspended shipments while the president was at the football game.
When Air Force One lands at a commercial airport, all takeoff and landings by other aircraft are suspended until the aircraft is taxied to a safe spot. Under your reasoning, all landing and takeoffs should stop around any city of size, since they are too "dangerous" to do around the president.
I believe the article refers to suspending hazmat shipments not all trains.
Paul
Well then by the logic of IRONROOSTER they must all be stopped!!!
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IRONROOSTER wrote: TomDiehl wrote: IRONROOSTER wrote: TomDiehl wrote: IRONROOSTER wrote: Too many for me to live close to the tracks.Paul Exactly the point several people made in the comments to that article. Were the trains "rolling by and rattling the windows" when he looked at the property? Did he see the railroad tracks that close to the home he was about to buy? Sounds more like he's trying to blame the railroad for his own poor judgment.The issue is hazmat carried by trains, not trains themselves. Looking at the track doesn't tell you anything about hazmat loads. I agree if the complaint is about noise then yes the purchaser can see the tracks and reasonably be expected to understand the noise issue. But I don't know how he can easily know about the hazmat problem.Paul Direct cut-and-paste from the article:"In Baltimore, an old industrial port city where neighborhoods sprouted along rail lines, many residents see the dangers first-hand.Bryan Peterson's South Baltimore home rattles when rail cars and their hazardous chemicals roll past in the middle of the night, coming and going from Locust Point factories and terminals."The statement "and their hazardous chemicals" looks to be added as an afterthought, since noone would care if his house was "rattled" by the freight cars passing by. Then they quote statistics for HAZMAT rail shipments nationwide, but no mention of how often it happens on this line. Again, too small a number for anyone to care?I wonder how long railroads have been hauling hazardous materials? Especially in view of their common carrier status. If his home was near the Interstate, would he expect all truck shipments of HAZMAT to be rerouted?It also sound like he's not too far from the "Locust Point factories and terminals," and they're in "an old industrial port city where neighborhoods sprouted along rail lines."Sounds like an even stronger case for his poor judgment rather than the "evil railroad."Sorry, still no sympathy for his stupidity.Title of article is "Deadly cargo rolls on", opening paragraph "Tankers filled with deadly chemicals are likely to continue to roll through Baltimore and other major cities despite new federal rules initially aimed at reducing the risk of catastrophic accidents or terrorist threats by sending much of the cargo through less-populated areas." The main thrust of the article is the hazmat.He may have been ignorant about the danger, but that's not the same as stupid.I still think he has valid concerns and grievance.
TomDiehl wrote: IRONROOSTER wrote: TomDiehl wrote: IRONROOSTER wrote: Too many for me to live close to the tracks.Paul Exactly the point several people made in the comments to that article. Were the trains "rolling by and rattling the windows" when he looked at the property? Did he see the railroad tracks that close to the home he was about to buy? Sounds more like he's trying to blame the railroad for his own poor judgment.The issue is hazmat carried by trains, not trains themselves. Looking at the track doesn't tell you anything about hazmat loads. I agree if the complaint is about noise then yes the purchaser can see the tracks and reasonably be expected to understand the noise issue. But I don't know how he can easily know about the hazmat problem.Paul Direct cut-and-paste from the article:"In Baltimore, an old industrial port city where neighborhoods sprouted along rail lines, many residents see the dangers first-hand.Bryan Peterson's South Baltimore home rattles when rail cars and their hazardous chemicals roll past in the middle of the night, coming and going from Locust Point factories and terminals."The statement "and their hazardous chemicals" looks to be added as an afterthought, since noone would care if his house was "rattled" by the freight cars passing by. Then they quote statistics for HAZMAT rail shipments nationwide, but no mention of how often it happens on this line. Again, too small a number for anyone to care?I wonder how long railroads have been hauling hazardous materials? Especially in view of their common carrier status. If his home was near the Interstate, would he expect all truck shipments of HAZMAT to be rerouted?It also sound like he's not too far from the "Locust Point factories and terminals," and they're in "an old industrial port city where neighborhoods sprouted along rail lines."Sounds like an even stronger case for his poor judgment rather than the "evil railroad."Sorry, still no sympathy for his stupidity.
IRONROOSTER wrote: TomDiehl wrote: IRONROOSTER wrote: Too many for me to live close to the tracks.Paul Exactly the point several people made in the comments to that article. Were the trains "rolling by and rattling the windows" when he looked at the property? Did he see the railroad tracks that close to the home he was about to buy? Sounds more like he's trying to blame the railroad for his own poor judgment.The issue is hazmat carried by trains, not trains themselves. Looking at the track doesn't tell you anything about hazmat loads. I agree if the complaint is about noise then yes the purchaser can see the tracks and reasonably be expected to understand the noise issue. But I don't know how he can easily know about the hazmat problem.Paul
TomDiehl wrote: IRONROOSTER wrote: Too many for me to live close to the tracks.Paul Exactly the point several people made in the comments to that article. Were the trains "rolling by and rattling the windows" when he looked at the property? Did he see the railroad tracks that close to the home he was about to buy? Sounds more like he's trying to blame the railroad for his own poor judgment.
IRONROOSTER wrote: Too many for me to live close to the tracks.Paul
Too many for me to live close to the tracks.
Exactly the point several people made in the comments to that article. Were the trains "rolling by and rattling the windows" when he looked at the property? Did he see the railroad tracks that close to the home he was about to buy? Sounds more like he's trying to blame the railroad for his own poor judgment.
The issue is hazmat carried by trains, not trains themselves. Looking at the track doesn't tell you anything about hazmat loads. I agree if the complaint is about noise then yes the purchaser can see the tracks and reasonably be expected to understand the noise issue. But I don't know how he can easily know about the hazmat problem.
Direct cut-and-paste from the article:
"In Baltimore, an old industrial port city where neighborhoods sprouted along rail lines, many residents see the dangers first-hand.Bryan Peterson's South Baltimore home rattles when rail cars and their hazardous chemicals roll past in the middle of the night, coming and going from Locust Point factories and terminals."
The statement "and their hazardous chemicals" looks to be added as an afterthought, since noone would care if his house was "rattled" by the freight cars passing by. Then they quote statistics for HAZMAT rail shipments nationwide, but no mention of how often it happens on this line. Again, too small a number for anyone to care?
I wonder how long railroads have been hauling hazardous materials? Especially in view of their common carrier status. If his home was near the Interstate, would he expect all truck shipments of HAZMAT to be rerouted?
It also sound like he's not too far from the "Locust Point factories and terminals," and they're in "an old industrial port city where neighborhoods sprouted along rail lines."
Sounds like an even stronger case for his poor judgment rather than the "evil railroad."
Sorry, still no sympathy for his stupidity.
Title of article is "Deadly cargo rolls on",
opening paragraph "Tankers filled with deadly chemicals are likely to continue to roll through Baltimore and other major cities despite new federal rules initially aimed at reducing the risk of catastrophic accidents or terrorist threats by sending much of the cargo through less-populated areas."
The main thrust of the article is the hazmat.
He may have been ignorant about the danger, but that's not the same as stupid.
I still think he has valid concerns and grievance.
No, the stupidity comes from complaining about it after he didn't do his homework, just like you didn't in your answer. If he didn't know before buying the house, how does he know now what's in those cars?
The main thrust of the article is alarmist reporting. How many of those cars rolling by contain hazardous materials? This figure is significant in assessing the risk, if any, this traffic poses to any neighborhood. All the article stated was the number of cars nationally that transport HAZMAT, no figure on how may don't, or mention of percentages. Also no mention of how long these type materials were being transported on this line before those houses were built. On top of that, the article mentions two highly dangerous materials that are transported by rail, but don't mention of these roll over the line in question.
Trucks transporting HAZMAT are all around us daily. Should these be routed on highways through low population areas, too? I see at least one truck a week on the Interstate placarded 1.1D. And yes, I know what that means.
dehusman wrote: BaltACD wrote: When the Pres is in the area....ALL freight train movements are suspended until the Pres leaves the area.Correct. They don't want any road crossings blocked that might stop a motorcade or delay access.Dave H.
BaltACD wrote: When the Pres is in the area....ALL freight train movements are suspended until the Pres leaves the area.
Correct. They don't want any road crossings blocked that might stop a motorcade or delay access.
Dave H.
The motorcade line is more the reason than hazardous materials. After all, CSX has a line a couple of miles from the White House and trains run regularly there whether the President is home or not.
StillGrande wrote: dehusman wrote: BaltACD wrote: When the Pres is in the area....ALL freight train movements are suspended until the Pres leaves the area.Correct. They don't want any road crossings blocked that might stop a motorcade or delay access.Dave H.The motorcade line is more the reason than hazardous materials. After all, CSX has a line a couple of miles from the White House and trains run regularly there whether the President is home or not.
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Man is this interesting... This has been going on forever, now the swing bridge would sovle this but guess what CSX doesn't control it! Now what should happen is better saftey on the trains, and CSX runs there trains very fast near baltimore from what i've seen, and if the residents have a problem they should move, there is no way that CSX can or will reroute the trackage or trains, the tracks aren't in the best place at all, and well the saftey record with CSX isn't the best, so maybe the tracks should be traveled slower? I can see why the residents are afraid of the trains going by with chemcials. And also have you seen gas trucks? There is no way of knowing how much HAZMATS there are going in and out of the area
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The point made earlier about hazardous materials going to trucks and getting even closer to the public was rammed home yesterday when I was less than a mile behind a truck that rolled off I-75, fell onto the street below and exploded. The I-75 bridge is severely damaged and the highway may be closed for months as a new bridge is constructed.
Besides hampering (big time) my daily commute (there are no real good alternatives to I-75 along the west coast of Florida), I just wonder what the public reaction would be this morning if the accident had involved a hazardous load on the CSX juice train line which is a mile to the west?
Likely it would be "full disclosure" of hazmat materials, lower restircted speeds or maybe we should even reroute all hazmat train loads off any tracks near the public?!?!
More than 12 hours after the truck accident, the state police say they still do not know officially what the truck was carrying. There is little of it left to examine.
tdmidget wrote:Oltmannd, sounds like you would fit right in in that neighborhood. The substances that they were most concerned about were chlorine and anhydrous ammonia. So you're saying that all cities should send their water to the source of the chlorine to be treated? And how shall we bring farm fields to the fertilizer plant?
LA has moved away from chlorine to purify their water. Why can't other cities do the same thing? Farmers are looking for a source on nitrogen when the use anhydrous ammonia. They can get the nitrogen from other fertilizers such as urea, DAP, amonium nitrate or NFS.
I would be interested in the reroute proposal for the trains that serve the industries using or making the chemicals in the nearby industries that would allow rail service without relocating the industries as well. Since the industries are nearby, how exactly is the railroad supposed to route their shipments around the area?
Also telling, and pointed out before, it definitely seems the owner's complaints are focused more on the trains rolling by rattling his home than the hazardous materials. Perhaps he should focus some ire at the developer for putting homes so close to the tracks or the local jurisdiction for zoning residential property in such proximity to a known hazard. Maybe he can sue and have a giant concrete wall built between his property and the rail line. Maybe the city can run a new commuter line on the abandoned tracks.
bobwilcox wrote: They can get the nitrogen from other fertilizers such as urea, DAP, amonium nitrate or NFS.
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