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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Thursday, January 2, 2014 8:52 PM

The Arizona Roundtrip

Part V, Section “D” (of A-F)

Niland, CA

We finally arrive back in California, by Niland along Highway 111.  NO new second-track had been laid in the community, so going east to Iris (where the current two-tracking will end), was ruled out.  Heading west on High 111, a long concrete tie train was observed in the south siding at Niland.


The west switches of the Niland sidings are where a three headed target signal is at.


At English Rd., looking east at cleared land where a CP will apparently be put in:  The tie train is on the south siding in the distance.


Continued in Section E

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Thursday, January 2, 2014 8:58 PM

The Arizona Roundtrip

Part V, Section “E” (of A-F)

Niland, CA

Looking east from English Rd. at the north siding, the alignment of the future Main 1


Looking westbound at the future Main 1 alignment:


A wide angle … looking east:


Looking west:


Continued Section F

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Thursday, January 2, 2014 9:12 PM

The Arizona Roundtrip

Part V, Section “F” (of A-F)

Niland, CA

English Rd. is still closed to through traffic.


The roadway (on the south side of the track) has yellow writing on it.


Looking east, the three headed signal suddenly displayed yellow.


But, that view above of a yellow signal is of the time warp type.  It is yellow over dark over dark as in years ago and NOT the common contemporary yellow over red over red!

Two-tracking was disappointing in this area.  But, we now move on further west, to a slow going two-tracking area.

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Continued in Part VI:  “Two-Tracking by Salton Sea, CA” (9 Sections) to be posted by Sunday, January 5, 2014 at 8:00 A.M. Pacific Time

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Sunday, January 5, 2014 12:55 AM

The Arizona Roundtrip

Part VI (of I-VI), Section “A” (of A-I)

Two-Tracking by Salton Sea, CA

We arrive next at the west switch of the Wister siding, at CP SP660 WISTER, the old, current Wister, with an eastbound (rightward) that the yellow signal was for in Part V, Section F.


The current CP box that is on borrowed time:


But, the current east westbound CP mainline target mast signal is being modified with a lower head.



In the current two-tracking, apparently (“apparently) when the new universal crossover CP SP658 WISTER is put in service, the old absolute target signal (as shown above) will remain in service, and  be capable of displaying yellow over green for crossing over ahead.

Continued in Section B

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Sunday, January 5, 2014 1:00 AM

The Arizona Roundtrip

Part VI, Section “B” (of A-I)

Two-Tracking by Salton Sea, CA

At the future, new CP SP658 WISTER:

The east side westbound signals:


The new CP box, earthmoving equipment, and the new west side eastbound signals.


A close-up of that equipment:


Continued in Section C

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Sunday, January 5, 2014 1:04 AM

The Arizona Roundtrip

Part VI, Section “C” (of A-I)

Two-Tracking by Salton Sea, CA

Between signals at the new Wister, looking westbound:


With an eastward slant:




Continued Section D

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Sunday, January 5, 2014 1:11 AM

The Arizona Roundtrip

Part VI, Section “D” (of A-I)

Two-Tracking by Salton Sea, CA

Westward again:


From the west side of the future CP SP658 WISTER, looking east:




Continued in Section E

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Sunday, January 5, 2014 1:25 AM

The Arizona Roundtrip

Part VI, Section “E” (of A-I)

Two-Tracking by Salton Sea, CA

A final CP SP658 WISTER area eastward view by Highway 111:


The railroad freight mainline speed is 65 M.P.H., and the two-lane roadway speed is 65 M.P.H. in this wide open area.  And that goes on for miles and miles and miles, with not a whole lot of vehicle traffic.  Pacing a train through here for many miles is an unforgettable experience!

The photos in this series of the box for the future CP SP658 WISTER have its nameplate placards turned inward.  To confirm that that is the intended name for the CP, or at least it was, a June 1, 2013 photo is reshown here, before the placards were turned inward.


In Section A of this Part VI the west box for the present Wister siding was shown, i.e., for CP SP660 WISTER.  With the new CP SP658 WISTER, there will be TWO CP’s with the same name!

Continued in Section F

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Sunday, January 5, 2014 1:33 AM

The Arizona Roundtrip

Part VI, Section “F” (of A-I)

Two-Tracking by Salton Sea, CA

A few years ago west of Yuma, AZ, the railroad ran into a similar situation with the old CP SP725 ARAZ …


… and the new CP SP724 ARAZ.



The railroad solved that two Arazs problem by renaming the old Araz to Araz Junction, so that now CP SP725 ARAZ is CP SP725 ARAZ JCT.

What the railroad with do about two Wisters is unknown, but possible renaming the siding to East Wister seems plausible.  On the other hand, the siding most likely will be taken out of service and the absolute signals converted to intermediates.  Or, it could be possible there will be a combination of the two concepts.  But, that is just conjecturing on K.P.’s part.

Continued Section G

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Sunday, January 5, 2014 1:38 AM

The Arizona Roundtrip

Part VI, Section “G” (of A-I)

Two-Tracking by Salton Sea, CA

We now arrive at the Frink Rd. grade crossing.  Looking eastbound:


Looking westward with darkening skies.


The famous Border Patrol stop (upper left).



Continued in Section H

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Sunday, January 5, 2014 1:45 AM

The Arizona Roundtrip

Part VI, Section “H” (of A-I)

Two-Tracking by Salton Sea, CA

Another westward view:


A final eastward view by Frink Rd.:


Midway between Frink Rd. and Hot Mineral Spa Rd. are a set of grade crossing-less intermediates.


Trainmen must have strange thoughts go through their heads when having to walk a train in the middle of the night in this kind of isolated area …


… when autos and trucks are then few and far between.

Continued in Section I

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Sunday, January 5, 2014 1:54 AM

The Arizona Roundtrip

Part VI, Section “I” (of A-I)

Two-Tracking by Salton Sea, CA

At Hot Mineral Spa Rd., it was starting to get almost dark.



And, the second, heavily ballasted and unfinished main was getting real hard to see (and photograph).


But, the sight of a lit single-track signal on borrowed time against the darkening sky was a wonderful experience in itself.


This will end the Arizona trip posting series.

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This past week circumstances allowed K.P. to visit Tehachapi, the Los Angeles Metro Gold Line Foothill Extension, and the Workman Mill Rd. grade crossing on the LA&SL in the City of Industry area.  The tracks on the last mentioned subject are currently the same, but the area (“area”) has been dramatically altered, and the mysterious I-beam walling seems kind of obvious now …

The above mentioned subjects will appear in their respective threads in due time, but the material related to the Puente Hills Intermodal Facility (PHIMF) trains and the Workman Mill Rd grading crossing should appear in this thread in two to three days.

Also, while out taking photos on the Foothill Extension, a bridge AND future bridges (plural) over a major roadway artery was extensively photographed, and K.P. is hoping to duplicate a few of those views in this thread to make a comparison on the future Vineyard Ave. grade separation that is starting in Ontario, CA that will have two-tracks elevate over an UNDERPASS.

So, there are a lot of post things in the works … and an ever increasing backlog of replies waiting to be answered or addressed if K.P. can ever get to them …

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Posted by billio on Sunday, January 5, 2014 7:25 AM

KP, this series, geographically spanning the Sunset Route from Tucson to Wister (or thereabouts), has been a delightful Christmas present for us.  Thanks so much for taking the time to travel, document and post for our edification and enjoyment.  Happy New Year and best wishes.  -- billio

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Posted by mvs on Sunday, January 5, 2014 12:55 PM

K. P. Harrier

What a spectacular picture to end 2013/start 2014 with!  K.P., thank you for your continued photo essays.  Looking forward to some Perris Valley progress in 2014!

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Posted by Clyde Acolita on Monday, January 6, 2014 6:58 PM

Thanks for the photos KP. 

The new Wister control point at CP SP658 will be named Wister Crossovers in the timetable.  Not the first time the signs in the field disagree with the timetable data and/or dispatcher screens.  Doesn't really matter though because for operational purposes the control point number is what's important.

The lower head installed on the westbound SP660 signal is for the approach to SP658.  The old Wister siding will likely remain in service until the second main track to Niland is completed. 

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Posted by narig01 on Monday, January 6, 2014 11:12 PM
K.P. and other posters on the Sunset. I do not know if anyone is interested in Amtrak's Sunset Limited.
However FYI. Today the southbound Texas Eagle was 11hours late thru SW Arkansas. This is going to delay the Sunset in San Antonio by 6-8 hours or more.

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Posted by narig01 on Tuesday, January 7, 2014 6:07 AM
I was in error the southbound Texas Eagle never made it down thru here. And on Amtraks web site the Sunset left San Antonio about an hour late.

My apologies for the error.

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Posted by rdamon on Tuesday, January 7, 2014 5:58 PM

Saw this article about the Tower 55 separation in Dallas. Figured it was related.

Nine more months: Tower 55 railroad project on schedule for September completion

http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/01/07/5467715/nine-more-months-tower-55-railroad.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy

Saw this interesting map as well ...


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Posted by ccltrains on Wednesday, January 8, 2014 7:54 AM

RE the Bigboy:

I faintly remember reading that UP tried to convert a Bigboy to oil fired and it was not successful.  Other than convince of not handling coal why are they converting 4014 to oil fired?  What are they doing now that they did not try 60+ years ago?

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Wednesday, January 8, 2014 12:08 PM

Update as of Friday, January 3, 2014

The Workman Mill Rd. Grade Crossing

City of Industry, CA

Headway Run No. 1 (of 1-5)

On the original Los Angeles & Salt Lake Line between those two named geographic areas, at M.P. 13.92 (eastward out of Los Angeles) that many Sunset Route trains traverse by is the Workman Mill Road grade crossing.

On October 29, 2013 that grade crossing was blocked by altering construction.


The tracks and crossing gates thereat are still the same as they have been.  But, the roadway and surroundings are a very different world now!

AERIAL LINK:  The Previous Workman Mill Rd Grade Crossing and Neighborhood

That forward house on the upper right of the above aerial is now gone, and a large downward, slanting driveway area is present.



Continued in Headway No. 2

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Wednesday, January 8, 2014 12:12 PM

Update as of Friday, January 3, 2014

The Workman Mill Rd. Grade Crossing

City of Industry, CA

Headway Run No. 2 (of 1-5)

The fencing currently has ugly, heavy duty plywood between the tan vertical I-beams.


A few westward views of the parked cars on the downward slant driveway:



Continued in Headway No. 3

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Wednesday, January 8, 2014 12:18 PM

Update as of Friday, January 3, 2014

The Workman Mill Rd. Grade Crossing

City of Industry, CA

Headway Run No. 3 (of 1-5)

Just to the west across the street is a newly paved parking lot (for a long present industrial company) …


… where an abandoned, severed spur once was.


AERIAL LINK:  Now Gone Branching Off Industrial Track

That above abandoned spur shot was from December 23, 2010.  Also from that date, a reshown eastward photo of the old, now replaced high tension wire towers.


Now, those power line towers have long been replaced by power line poles (upper left), if we can call them poles.


Continued in Headway No. 4

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Wednesday, January 8, 2014 12:22 PM

Update as of Friday, January 3, 2014

The Workman Mill Rd. Grade Crossing

City of Industry, CA

Headway Run No. 4 (of 1-5)

An eastward view … the ground is graded between the new I-beam fencing and Main 1.



On the top view above, the plywood between the vertical I-beams is clearly seen.

A lot of work is still transpiring under and on both sides of the 60 Freeway overpass.


Continued in Headway No. 5

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Wednesday, January 8, 2014 12:30 PM

Update as of Friday, January 3, 2014

The Workman Mill Rd. Grade Crossing

City of Industry, CA

Headway Run No. 5 (of 1-5)

That eastward I-beam walling is anchored only with bolts.



Such anchoring hardly does well in the event of a jackknifing derailment, so the I-beam walling may (“may’) simply be for sound deadening to ease the local resident’s noise tribulation.  And, considering that two trash trains are currently projected to be disassembled and reassembled each day, the walling would seem to be a welcome gesture.

Interestingly, the non-residential industry area across the street west of Workman Mill Rd. only has chain link fencing and no sound deadening protection.



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This will conclude this series.  However … Related material (such as the discerned track arrangement and signaling at the future CP C014 WORKMAN) will be worked up as time permits, which time is in incredibly short supply right now for K.P.  Too many railroad things are happening, UNBELIEVABLY so!

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Posted by SP657E44 on Wednesday, January 8, 2014 5:01 PM

You might want to look a bit east this weekend, reportedly BNSF will be replacing the diamonds at both DT junction and Colton.

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Posted by SP657E44 on Wednesday, January 8, 2014 7:05 PM

Colton diamonds work: 10pm saturday night.

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Posted by BNSF6400 on Wednesday, January 8, 2014 10:14 PM
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You might want to look a bit east this weekend, reportedly BNSF will be replacing the diamonds at both DT junction and Colton.

A10

I heard that diamonds at Colton, DT Junction AND Los Nietos are getting replaced this Sunday. In fact, installed of a third diamond (for triple tracking) at the last two is scheduled but probably not this weekend. Also the westbound Southwest Chief (No. 3) will detour Sunday morning via the Metrolink San Gabriel Sub between San Bernardino and Los Angeles to avoid the diamond work.
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Posted by BarstowRick on Saturday, January 11, 2014 5:41 PM

The picture of the map just begs the question:   How much of the Sunset Route has been double tracked?   Although, K.P. has been good enough to keep us advised along with others in the regions of discussion can anyone summarize things here with a clear picture of what has been double tracked?    Or better I should ask... what hasn't been double tracked? 

Also, as a follow up question with regard to the Colton Flyover.    Does or is anyone out there catching this on film or digitally?     Odd that after going to the expense of putting in the flyover we are still going to have a single track crossing the BNSF mainline.     What's up with that?   

Regarding the question about the UP Big Boy.   UP did try an experiment with a Big Boy, outfitting it to burn oil.     The project didn't fail, necessarily.   Diesels were about to take over on most  railroads and the Challengers, Big Boys, were slated for retirement and what was thought to be extinction.   I wonder if they have an endangered species list for these monsters of the rails?   Devil

 

That should stir up the hornet's nest Big Smile

 

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Posted by MikeF90 on Saturday, January 11, 2014 8:26 PM

BarstowRick
The picture of the map just begs the question:   How much of the Sunset Route has been double tracked?  

Quick answer, about 70%. Depends on what you consider today's Sunset Route - U.P. hasn't given a precise definition. At any rate, you can visualize what's what on my SR two tracking Overview map (http://goo.gl/maps/j4qtA , also see sig). Bookmark for future reference.

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Odd that after going to the expense of putting in the flyover we are still going to have a single track crossing the BNSF mainline. What's up with that?

UP still wants direct access to East (old) Colton yard from WC so hence the new single track level crossing. Otherwise they have to run over the flyover past CP Mt Vernon and back up Bang Head.

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Posted by BarstowRick on Saturday, January 11, 2014 10:13 PM

Mike,

Thanks for the response.      The maps worked out nicely.

Now I have a better understanding as what gives with the crossover.   

Tough to stay warm when the night temperature get's down into the 20's.    Lot's of quilts and blankets.

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