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Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 7:48 AM

From NORAC Eighth Edition (Ninth Edition now in effect, but I don't recall that this changed):

22. Engine Lights

a. Headlight

The headlight facing the direction of movement on every train and engine must be displayed brightly by day and night.

The headlight must be dimmed:

1. While standing or passing through yards where other engines are working.

2. When approaching a station where a Form D is to be received.

3. When approaching junctions or terminals.

4. When standing or moving on a main track at meeting points.

5. When standing or when approaching another train operating in the opposite direction in multiple track territory.

EXCEPTION: When approaching or passing over public crossings at grade, the headlight must not be dimmed.

Engines in yard service must display the headlight to the front and rear, by day and by night. The headlight on the end coupled to cars may be extinguished.

And,

b. Auxiliary Lights

The leading end of leading engines that operate over public crossings at grade at speeds greater than 20 MPH must be equipped with auxiliary lights. Auxiliary lights consist of two ditch lights (auxiliary lights on steady), two crossing lights (auxiliary lights alternately flashing), or one oscillating light (auxiliary light that moves in a circular or figure eight pattern). Auxiliary lights are considered operative when they illuminate after the engine horn and/or bell is sounded or the auxiliary light switch is activated.

Auxiliary lights must be operational before the engine leaves its initial terminal, and must be displayed when the engine is approaching and operating over public crossings at grade.

Someone else will have to address when using the headlights during the day became required.

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Posted by The Butler on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 2:05 AM

 Does anyone know the rule/law on headlights.  I've seen old footage of traction and steam where it looked as though the headlights weren't used in the day time.  I saw an episode of  Trains and Locomotives on Ohio Cenrtal steam and the headlight wasn't always illuminated while running.

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Posted by tree68 on Monday, December 8, 2008 10:44 AM

And torpedo tubes on SD's...

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Posted by CShaveRR on Monday, December 8, 2008 9:26 AM

We're in a kinder, gentler age now, Larry.  Remember when we had Hoods, Big Blows, and U-boats?

(Pat and I are going to visit our favorite Elmo fans later this morning.)

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Posted by tree68 on Monday, December 8, 2008 8:52 AM

ELMO's..... Toasters......    Hard to say where this could lead in terms of nicknames....  

 

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Posted by CShaveRR on Monday, December 8, 2008 8:16 AM

The Butler
CNW 6000
Mookie
Saw 5 motors headed east - 3 of them were ELMOs and didn't seem to be working.  (since we have a diesel shop, they may have been worked on here).

ELMOs?

They're small, furry, red, and have a perky personality!

Laugh Laugh

And those annoying, squeaky horns.  But if that's what it takes to get kids to watch trains...

SJ:  ElMo--I like it!

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Posted by CNW 6000 on Monday, December 8, 2008 8:12 AM

The Butler

CNW 6000

Mookie
Saw 5 motors headed east - 3 of them were ELMOs and didn't seem to be working.  (since we have a diesel shop, they may have been worked on here).

ELMOs?

They're small, furry, red, and have a perky personality!

Laugh Laugh

Gosh, that tickled! Smile,Wink, & Grin

Thanks for filling me in Mook.

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Posted by Mookie on Monday, December 8, 2008 3:52 AM

The Butler

CNW 6000

Mookie
Saw 5 motors headed east - 3 of them were ELMOs and didn't seem to be working.  (since we have a diesel shop, they may have been worked on here).

ELMOs?

They're small, furry, red, and have a perky personality!

Laugh Laugh

actually ours are blonde-brown, not red.  Kisses

ELMO - big, blue, white - ElectroMotive

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Posted by The Butler on Monday, December 8, 2008 3:33 AM

CNW 6000

Mookie
Saw 5 motors headed east - 3 of them were ELMOs and didn't seem to be working.  (since we have a diesel shop, they may have been worked on here).

ELMOs?

They're small, furry, red, and have a perky personality!

Laugh Laugh

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Posted by Poppa_Zit on Monday, December 8, 2008 2:54 AM
CShaveRR

PZ, is a driver's license proof enough of age for the free rides, do you know?  Or is some other state form needed?  Or a specific transit ID?

 

Gotta have a specific transit ID card. I think the RTA card covers both the CTA and Metra. Here's what I found:

"Metra is working with the RTA regarding the Senior Free Ride program. Seniors can use their current RTA reduced fare card to qualify. Those without the fare cards can register for one at any of the RTA’s service locations which can be found by calling (312) 836-7000 or by visiting www.rtachicago.com.

Who is eligible?

  • Senior citizens aged 65 or over living in the RTA service region (Cook, DuPage, Kane, Lake, McHenry and Will counties) are eligible for free transit on fixed-routes operated by the Chicago Transit Authority (CTA), Metra and Pace.
  • To take advantage of the free transit, seniors must have either the Senior Reduced Fare Card or the new Senior Ride Free Smart Card.

 

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Posted by CNW 6000 on Sunday, December 7, 2008 10:58 PM

Mookie
Saw 5 motors headed east - 3 of them were ELMOs and didn't seem to be working.  (since we have a diesel shop, they may have been worked on here).

ELMOs?

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Posted by Mookie on Sunday, December 7, 2008 6:34 PM

BC - they ran the wheels off everything overnite Thurs.  Then Fri/Sat and Sun were a lot quieter.  They are moving really long grain trains - longer than the coal trains and throw in a few freights.  Saw 5 motors headed east - 3 of them were ELMOs and didn't seem to be working.  (since we have a diesel shop, they may have been worked on here).

I love good coffee and have yet to find it at McD's here.  Plus the hassle of having them do your cream and/or sugar makes it just not something I want to do.  So we order breakfast with milk and go to a real coffee house and have good coffee.  (skinny latte hot, please)

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Posted by CShaveRR on Sunday, December 7, 2008 4:16 PM

SJ, I hope your railroad cooperated with your train-watching better than mine did with mine!  I had no trains either going into or coming home from work today.  This morning I missed the first Railex perishable train by ten minutes.  And the eastbound distant signal for Park showed Approach on all three tracks this afternoon--an indication that nothing would be coming or going for a while.

PZ, is a driver's license proof enough of age for the free rides, do you know?  Or is some other state form needed?  Or a specific transit ID?

(We have Mickey Ds at both Ogilvie and Union Station--otherwise you may have to go a couple of blocks away from the station to find one.  We tend to ignore them most of the time in favor of other venues--but when Pat turns 65, that may change, as she pronounces their coffee as "OK".  Carl doesn't turn 65 until after Pat does, but there will be no change on his account--he never touches the stuff.)

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Posted by Poppa_Zit on Sunday, December 7, 2008 2:22 PM

The Butler

 QuestionFor the photographers:Question

Twenty years ago I used to carry my camera (Pentax K1000) with me as much as possible.  I found in the colder weather the temperature of the camera affected its performance.  Do digital P&S and/or SLR's have the same problems?

If you keep a camera too warm (like in your heated car) and bring it out into the cold you risk getting condensation forming inside your lens -- and worse, on the delicate electronics inside the camera, which over time can cause problems. Keeping it under a parka should work best. I always carried two extra batteries in my front pockets to keep them warm. I always dried everything with a hair dryer set to low as soon as I got home.

For Chris, my favorite Ansel Adams quotes:

  • It is the background that makes or breaks the image.
  • It's ok to work for free and give your pictures away, as long as you get a photo credit on the image and it's seen by lots of people.
  • Burning and dodging are simply the ways I use to correct mistakes that God has made in establishing tonal relationships..
  • What you take and how you take in pictures represents your state of mind.
  • I will make pictures for an entire year and if I get 12 significant photos, it's a good crop.
  • A good photograph is knowing where to stand.
  • Sometimes I do get to places just when God's ready to have somebody click the shutter.
  • You don't take a photograph, you make it.  
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Posted by Poppa_Zit on Sunday, December 7, 2008 2:13 PM

You can also get complimentary cups of coffee at McDonalds with that ID, too.

Makes for quite an outing, riding Metra and drinking coffee all day for free.

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Posted by chad thomas on Sunday, December 7, 2008 9:18 AM

Happy B-Day Mookie !!!!

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Posted by Mookie on Sunday, December 7, 2008 7:03 AM

Thank you for the birthday wishes BC.  Going to celebrate with lunch out and....well, what else - train watching.

I look forward to my next ride on the Metra and at free, you can't get any better than that!  Old age doth have its perks!

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Posted by CShaveRR on Sunday, December 7, 2008 5:19 AM

Happy birthday to Jen, a.k.a. SJ, a.k.a. Mookie! 

Just a brief tribute to the best Forum friend / Little Sister / psychologist / curious kitten anyone could ask for.

Bring credentials with you next time, SJ--Metra will let you ride for free!

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Posted by Poppa_Zit on Saturday, December 6, 2008 1:33 AM

CShaveRR
When it gets colder, I tend to be underexposed and my shudder speed increases.

Laugh

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Posted by CShaveRR on Friday, December 5, 2008 7:01 PM

zardoz
One of these days I'm going to have to arrange to meet you somewhere; we can reminisce about those "good old days".

Check your PM, Jim.

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Posted by CNW 6000 on Friday, December 5, 2008 4:18 PM

The Butler

 QuestionFor the photographers:Question

Twenty years ago I used to carry my camera (Pentax K1000) with me as much as possible.  I found in the colder weather the temperature of the camera affected its performance.  Do digital P&S and/or SLR's have the same problems?

I shoot a Canon Powershot A530 (P&S).  I have no problems as long as the camera is kept warm.  I try to keep in directly on my person and exposed to "outside" as little as possible.  Seems to work fine.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Friday, December 5, 2008 3:37 PM

When it gets colder, I tend to be underexposed and my shudder speed increases.

Take today, f'rinstance.

(A non-photographer)

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Posted by tree68 on Friday, December 5, 2008 12:17 PM

Somewhat.  Since they live and die by the battery, and batteries are adversely affected by cold, that can be a problem.  The shutter mechanism might be affected, though I haven't had a problem with mine yet.

At least you don't have to worry about the film being too stiff to go through the camera....

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Posted by The Butler on Friday, December 5, 2008 11:27 AM

 QuestionFor the photographers:Question

Twenty years ago I used to carry my camera (Pentax K1000) with me as much as possible.  I found in the colder weather the temperature of the camera affected its performance.  Do digital P&S and/or SLR's have the same problems?

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Posted by zardoz on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 7:53 PM

CShaveRR

I never heard the eastbound trains called Falcons; this was the first of those eastbounds.  Falcon schedules had been running westward for some time by then; speed had been brought up to 70 by then (but I remember seeing the train order that allowed #245 a top speed of 50 when everything else was restricted to 40--that's how bad things were in those days!).

The intermodal was on the center track, and its head-end had already passed the manifest train on Track 3 (which UP now calls Track 1).  It overturned the outside rail on the curve, and the manifest was diverted by the wreckage onto the street.  Good thing it was early morning!

Thanks, Carl.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 7:17 PM

No, not offhand.  We used to have quite a few wrecks back then, but nothing else of the magnitude of the one in Glen Ellyn.  Only one wreck from the early 1970s sticks out in my mind--some ore cars on a westbound went over the countryside near Meredith in early 1974.  I knew of that one because I was the yardmaster when that train left Proviso.

CNW had another wreck near Glen Ellyn--on the big curve east of town, near the DuPage River--after the big Glen Ellyn wreck.  It took most of a day to clear up--that one could be seen as I crossed the tracks in Lombard.

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Posted by Poppa_Zit on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 6:55 PM

Carl, do you recall a CNW wreck near Geneva in 1976?

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Posted by Poppa_Zit on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 6:50 PM

CShaveRR

Can't help you on that one, PZ--do you remember it as being prior to or after the one in LaGrange that took out the IHB bridge and happened right in front of the Amtrak?

That one I remember because we were called in on mutual aid to assist. It was in August, 1977.

The DG wreck was around that time, perhaps before it. But not sure. I do remember being there about an hour after it happened, freight cars tossed all over the triple tracks and onto Warren Avenue east of Belmont. Late night, cutting torches everywhere, big RR cranes arriving from both directions to disassemble the wreckage.

I'll keep searching.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 6:40 PM

I never heard the eastbound trains called Falcons; this was the first of those eastbounds.  Falcon schedules had been running westward for some time by then; speed had been brought up to 70 by then (but I remember seeing the train order that allowed #245 a top speed of 50 when everything else was restricted to 40--that's how bad things were in those days!).

The intermodal was on the center track, and its head-end had already passed the manifest train on Track 3 (which UP now calls Track 1).  It overturned the outside rail on the curve, and the manifest was diverted by the wreckage onto the street.  Good thing it was early morning!

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Posted by zardoz on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 6:22 PM

CShaveRR

Cause of the wreck was track not maintained for the speeds expected of it.  The train that first derailed was the very first of the eastbound 70-mph intermodals (and probably the last one ever to do 70 on that particular curve!).

Carl,

I didn't realize that the train that deriled was the first to do 70 thru there! I also did not know track maintenance was to blame! Was the IM one of the Falcons?

And to refresh my memory--you said it was the IM that derailed and the manifest ran into the wreck?  Was the IM on track 3 and the manifest was on 2?

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