Bunch a bonified morons if you ask me! http://www.kbjtkq.com/news/090407a.htm Good job, how are you gonna move the train?
Dan
Maybe they put out a warrant for the dispatcher who told them hold there. Or, the yardmaster without any room in the yard for the train. I can agree with the towns concerns for emergency vehicles. Provided that this wasn't some type of emergency stop, the dispatacher should have held the train at a better location. Perhaps the dispatcher on duty in Omaha wasn't aware of the layout of his/her territory.
CC
I hope that the "City" of Fordyce has excellent attorneys. Interfering with Interstate Commerce is a serious offense last time I checked. The officers are likely well beyond their jurisdiction, a fact that the UP legal department will be more than happy to educate them about...lol...
LC
One would think that this little burg, with all the emphasis on railroading they make note of on thier city web site would be friendlier to the little old U.P.
Limitedclear wrote:I hope that the "City" of Fordyce has excellent attorneys. Interfering with Interstate Commerce is a serious offense last time I checked. The officers are likely well beyond their jurisdiction, a fact that the UP legal department will be more than happy to educate them about...lol...LC
Uh, doesn't Federal Law apply here more than the state?
I didn't think the "City" or "State" could override the other laws.
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It is funny how the Mayor thinks that it is still "the Cotton Belt". I wonder if the police brought an extra horse for the engineer to ride on back to the jail, or if they just tied him up behind their horse and made him walk.
He did say that the engineer didn't sign the ticket. Isn't that illegal in some places? Of course the judge ordered the police to go retrieve the engineer off the train, so who knows if it would have mattered.
The mayor sounds like he is through about half a bottle of Beam, and his second pack of cigarettes for the day.
csmith9474 wrote: The mayor sounds like he is through about half a bottle of Beam, and his second pack of cigarettes for the day.
Well, to me he sounds like the typical "good 'ol boy" you hear and see on COPS every Saturday night on Fox TV...wonder if he lives in a "double wide"?
eolafan wrote: csmith9474 wrote: The mayor sounds like he is through about half a bottle of Beam, and his second pack of cigarettes for the day.Well, to me he sounds like the typical "good 'ol boy" you hear and see on COPS every Saturday night on Fox TV...wonder if he lives in a "double wide"?
Yeah, to say the least.
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I would love to see the judge. I bet he shoes horses when he ain't behind the bench.
For whoever listens to Bob and Tom, the mayor sort of reminds me of Floyd the Trucker.
eolafan wrote:Hey, isn't Fordyce where Jed Clampett and his brood came from?
Could be. They really seem to be behind the times there. Heck, the Cotton Belt still lives on there. I guess these folks must be illiterate as well to not be able to read "Union Pacific" in large red letters against a bright yellow background.
csmith9474 wrote: It is funny how the Mayor thinks that it is still "the Cotton Belt".
It is funny how the Mayor thinks that it is still "the Cotton Belt".
Funny how the mayor knew the correct RR on the town;'s website:
What's wrong with Jim Beam and smokes?
It's all about the application....
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well gol lee.....da way yalls jaws are a flappin youd think yall city folk aint got no respect fer us simple people livin in the sticks......ima sure am glad n happy i aint no city folk....yall soundin real mean and bigot like...........
has anyone researched details?...why was the train stopped? equipment failure? hoglaw?..why did the "Cotton Belt" refuse?.....did they give a reason?...was the engineer belligerent ? or was he\she just ignorant sounding as you guys raggin on a "small town" mayor that has a seemingly real concern for the safety of the public of this "lil hick town on the Cotton Belt"........ i mean no disrespect to anyone here but come on....i read posts of people going off on people " behind the times" and "illiterate" and theres no details.......again im sorry for spouting here but .........a lil respect i guess is all....
J. Edgar wrote: well gol lee.....da way yalls jaws are a flappin youd think yall city folk aint got no respect fer us simple people livin in the sticks......ima sure am glad n happy i aint no city folk....yall soundin real mean and bigot like........... has anyone researched details?...why was the train stopped? equipment failure? hoglaw?..why did the "Cotton Belt" refuse?.....did they give a reason?...was the engineer belligerent ? or was he\she just ignorant sounding as you guys raggin on a "small town" mayor that has a seemingly real concern for the safety of the public of this "lil hick town on the Cotton Belt"........ i mean no disrespect to anyone here but come on....i read posts of people going off on people " behind the times" and "illiterate" and theres no details.......again im sorry for spouting here but .........a lil respect i guess is all....
The stupid do not deserve respect. If you have concern for public safety, then why take the one person who is qualified to move the train off the train?
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n012944 wrote: J. Edgar wrote: well gol lee.....da way yalls jaws are a flappin youd think yall city folk aint got no respect fer us simple people livin in the sticks......ima sure am glad n happy i aint no city folk....yall soundin real mean and bigot like........... has anyone researched details?...why was the train stopped? equipment failure? hoglaw?..why did the "Cotton Belt" refuse?.....did they give a reason?...was the engineer belligerent ? or was he\she just ignorant sounding as you guys raggin on a "small town" mayor that has a seemingly real concern for the safety of the public of this "lil hick town on the Cotton Belt"........ i mean no disrespect to anyone here but come on....i read posts of people going off on people " behind the times" and "illiterate" and theres no details.......again im sorry for spouting here but .........a lil respect i guess is all....The stupid do not deserve respect. If you have concern for public safety, then why take the one person who is qualified to move the train off the train?
From what I've read before, railroads pay traffic tickets incurred by train crews on duty. I wonder though if the ticket will appear on the engineer or conductor's record?
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AntonioFP45 wrote: From what I've read before, railroads pay traffic tickets incurred by train crews on duty. I wonder though if the ticket will appear on the engineer or conductor's record?
while conductoring for CSX in MI "we" would get tickets from the city of Holland Mi for blocking crossings while taking coal to West Olive power plant.....according to the Detroit Service Lane Timetable special instructions...." .....state law prohibits crossing blockage beyond 5 minutes for a standing train, if conditions permit cutting of crossings as per rulebook is required ,if conditions do not allow for the cutting of crossings the DSPR will alert the local authorities......"
the city of Holland would contact the Trainmaster in Wyoming Mi for the train ID and the ticket would be assigned to the "train" and CSX payed it locally thru the Trainmaster after a "proper" investigation this also happens sometimes in the city of Wayne moving autoracks around...IF the train crew would act "unprofessionally" in reguards to local authorities..i.e. being ignorant like saying " im an engineer and your state laws dont affect me...." the loud mouth crew member would get a ticket for obstucting justice......which takes me to the point i tried to make before....it dont matter if your a UP engineer or the Pope.....if you break the law and\or dont respect local authority your get arrested simple as that
Bingo!!!
The RR will get the ticket for blocking the crossing...simple. No big deal for the engineer or conductor. But if either begin to get obnoxious and have no regard for proper authority (Local/State laws don't apply to me as I'm a big-bad railroader kind of BS) then they will receive a citation to court (not just a ticket) for all kinds of different charges, depending on how much of an A$$ the offending person is.
Try to remember, the officer is just doing his job, just like the train crew. Don't take it personally, and don't get an attitude. It only makes things worse.
Marc
locomutt wrote: Limitedclear wrote: I hope that the "City" of Fordyce has excellent attorneys. Interfering with Interstate Commerce is a serious offense last time I checked. The officers are likely well beyond their jurisdiction, a fact that the UP legal department will be more than happy to educate them about...lol...LCUh, doesn't Federal Law apply here more than the state?I didn't think the "City" or "State" could override the other laws.
Limitedclear wrote: I hope that the "City" of Fordyce has excellent attorneys. Interfering with Interstate Commerce is a serious offense last time I checked. The officers are likely well beyond their jurisdiction, a fact that the UP legal department will be more than happy to educate them about...lol...LC
My point exactly.
So, what exactly did they "arrest" the engineer for?
If I remember correctly, blocking a crossing is a class three misdemeanor, punishable by citation and fines not arrest and incarceration.
The engineer is not required to sign or accept a ticket, unless he is empowered to act as a legal agent for the railroad.
So the mayor sent his troops up to "get the engineer off the train"...under what pretext do they have the authority to remove an employee from private property and or interfere with interstate commerce?
What was the reason given, besides contempt of Mayor?
edblysard wrote: So, what exactly did they "arrest" the engineer for?If I remember correctly, blocking a crossing is a class three misdemeanor, punishable by citation and fines not arrest and incarceration.The engineer is not required to sign or accept a ticket, unless he is empowered to act as a legal agent for the railroad. So the mayor sent his troops up to "get the engineer off the train"...under what pretext do they have the authority to remove an employee from private property and or interfere with interstate commerce? What was the reason given, besides contempt of Mayor?
J. Edgar wrote: edblysard wrote: So, what exactly did they "arrest" the engineer for?If I remember correctly, blocking a crossing is a class three misdemeanor, punishable by citation and fines not arrest and incarceration.The engineer is not required to sign or accept a ticket, unless he is empowered to act as a legal agent for the railroad. So the mayor sent his troops up to "get the engineer off the train"...under what pretext do they have the authority to remove an employee from private property and or interfere with interstate commerce? What was the reason given, besides contempt of Mayor? again...............DETAILS...what are the details....i would side with the crew ( crew and RR are 2 different things here) if the details warrented it... but ..railroad "law" means nothing to joe smalltown cop....just because you "work on the railroad" does not repeat DOES NOT exempt you from any laws or respect for said laws.....its sounding more and more like this crew acted "unprofessonally" to proper law enforcement officers...and yet the foamers here ( yes i know what a foamer is) continue to "defend" the acts of the crew....as far as "private propery" and "interfering with interstate commerce" the point remains....YOU HAVE NO RIGHT OR AUTHORITY TO DISREGAURD THE RULE OF LAW....no matter how "small town" or local that law may be....sure ICC\ntsb "rules" apply but they are just RULES not law.....UP can contest and the crew can "defend" thier actions but.......BUT that does not expunge them from following the law or respecting those enforcing the law....period
and to be redundant.....i am a former RR traincrew employee that has gotten tickets ( addressed to the railroad not as its agent ) for blocked crossings.....RR employees are not "special" and "exempt" from any law....small town or state wide...if a "law" passed by a town,city,county,state is contestable from a RR managment point of view thats fine.....its not up to the crew on site to contest it
After viewing the map below, it's pretty safe to assume the train was parked at the junction, or was switching: http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?zipcode=71742
I've been trying to find more details, but not many people (besides railfans, Union Pacific and Fordyce) really care anyhow.
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