One of those annoying "What is it?" threads

[edblysard]

A control stand in the G12...from what I can tell, it is in English...but you gotta love the reverser handle, a "rebar T bar"....

[CNW 6000]

With the sale to the Brazilian railroads of all those old GE's and various SD40's, Brazil is one of the few places where locomotives of both North American and export design work side by side, sometimes even in the same consist.

I guess you could call the MU cable a 'Universal Translator' then? 

SD40: "Hey 526, let's get goin' "!

G 16: "Que?"

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

With the sale to the Brazilian railroads of all those old GE's and various SD40's, Brazil is one of the few places where locomotives of both North American and export design work side by side, sometimes even in the same consist.

[edblysard]

A EMD G12, the work horse of South America, although they have a good collection of Alco S2s

And a GE,  riding on a temporary bogie, then up on jacks for conversion to B+B trucks.

 

 

Lastly, a visual of the difference in height between a EMD G16 and a American GE.

All photos courtesy of Pedro, my buddy in Brazil.

[Modelcar]

.....Ed, that "porch" extended out front reminds me back in the steam days of the Big Boys....They seemed to be extended out beyond the boiler/ smoke box as your  unusual diesel you show.

[Anonymous]

And this?

And THAT.... is a monster!!!!!!

[edblysard]

Marc has it..a re trucked SD40...Pedro says they are classified as SD40 B+Bs....narrow gage...they cast the trucks in Brazil, along with the bolsters, I don't remember which traction motors they use, but the additional axles and traction motors make it rate tractive effort it at the equivalent of a 3000hp unit.

They modified the rear hood also, to fit in the tunnels this locomotive has to use...he said they chopped it 6 inches to make the fan shrouds clear.

Same place, different view of the same locomotive...

Also Brazil...a GE with the same treatment..

Another narrow gage GE...looks kinda funny on those narrow tracks.

 We have shipped some where around 100 locomotives to Brazil over the last two or three years...not all are converted to narrow gage, note the dual gage tracks in the last photo...

Last time around it was a bunch of EMDs...the time before that, something like ten GE B30-7As...BN's cabless boosters.

[Ted Marshall]

I got it...It's an EMD DDM45. Am I right?

 

 

[MStLfan]

If I remember Pedrop's comments correctly, they had to do some work to get those trucks under the locomotives.

It's in one of his threads somewhere.

edit: http://www.trains.com/trccs/forums/975575/ShowPost.aspx

greetings,

Marc Immeker

[Ted Marshall]

One of those retrucked metre gauge sd40's out Pedrop's way in Brazil?

 Amazingly, I am stumped so I will bow to Marc's better knowledge on this one. In all of my travels I've never seen a non-snoot SD40 with a front porch that long. Also, the pilot seems a bit unusual for an SD40 as well.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

For those who are not familiar, Cape gauge is 3' 6", found in South Africa, Queensland, Western Australia, some other former British possessions and formerly in Newfoundland.

[MStLfan]

One of those retrucked metre gauge sd40's out Pedrop's way in Brazil?

greetings,

Marc Immeker

PS Read somewhere that former JZ diesels (Yugoslavia) are finding their way to the US too.Do you have a picture of them too?

[CNW 6000]

I know one of these for once!  (I remember what Pedro said.)  I'll keep quiet to see if anyone else can chime in.

[edblysard]

And this?

[MStLfan]

The destination is Magadi Soda in Kenya. Don't know the type but didn't this subject / order come a couple months ago? If I remember correctly they use cap gauge in Kenya.

Website Magadi Soda:

http://www.magadisoda.co.ke/index.htm

greetings,

Marc Immeker

 

[edblysard]

Yes and yes, headed to a soda ash mine if I remember correctly.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

That is definitely one of NRE's E-series export locomotives, en route to Africa, probably Kenya.

[Ted Marshall]

And this is...?

Is it an NRE E-series freight locomotive?

[edblysard]

And this is...?

[Ted Marshall]

To answer the second question: This is an EMD SD70ACe/lc, bound for use in Austailia by BHP Iron Ore. It is easily distinguished by the safety stripes on the plow.

[Ted Marshall]

To answer the first question...their final U.S. destination was Houston/Galveston.

[edblysard]

Mark,

As Ted correctly guessed, they are EMD G8 export locomotives, formerly Korean National Rail...they came via rail to .....(waiting for Ted's guess) and were loaded into a ship bound for the Canal and South America...these and the G12/G16 are almost as numerous overseas and GPs are here...they are used on almost ever railroad in South America, and quite a few in Europe.

 

Here is something else for Ted, or anyone else to guess at...although it was already posted a while ago.

 

What are they, where are they going and who owns them?

 

 

This last image shows an EMD export G12 in South America, working for ALL, photo courtesy of a friend in Brazil.

[KCSfan]

Hi Ed,

A lot of people beat me to the first "what is it". I've seen a lot of those cars carrying carbon black on former T&P lines in south Louisiana where there are several plants that make the stuff. I also see them from time to time on the KCS here at Shreveport. To the best of my knowledge they are all privately owned cars and some have one of the owner/manufacturers name, CABOT, painted in bold letters on their sides. I'm open to correction but think carbon black is the product of incomplete combustion of hydro cardons (petroleum or natural gas) which explains the concentration of its manufacture in the chemical belt of south LA.

With respect to that crap on the flats, I suspect it is bound for Mexico or overseas but don't have a clue as to who it formerly belonged to.

Mark

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

There are also some KNR RS8's (repowered with EMD engines) sitting at NRE in Dixmoor.  The RS8 would be the Alco model comparable to the G8.

[Randy Stahl]

Ummm .. I guess .. somewhere in Texas , perhaps in a swamp someplace ??

[edblysard]

Ted,

Would you care to guess again?

Missouri?

[ericsp]

I knew right away what that car carried.Back in the 70s there were always several strings of carbon black hoppers south of Mojave,near the old railroad scrapyard. I assumed there was a carbon black plant nearby and wondered what it did.

According to http://www.envirostor.dtsc.ca.gov/public/search.asp?cmd=search&reporttype=SSF&hidept=True&status=&reporttitle=Senate+District+18&senate=18&export_excel=True there used to be three carbon black plants in Kern County.

Columbia Chemical was at 12701 United Street, south of Mojave.

Continental Carbon was where the Buttonwillow Branch crosses the Stockdale Highway, east of Bakersfield.

Great Lakes Carbon was at 1050 Sierra Highway, south of Rosamond.

[Ted Marshall]

 If my research is correct, there were six of these that were destined for Chile. #'s 3050, 3019, 3014, 3052, 3039 and 3046.

These units departed from Silvis, IL on 11/24/04 and were picked up at Barstow, IL by the M-NSIGAL1-23. They left barstow with the NS 6790-NS 9657-NREX 5070, then the 5 flats right behind the power. There was a sixth engine, #3046 on flatcar OTTX 93477, but was set out because the conductor could not get the correct paperwork for it. These particular engines sat in Silvis for several years. They originally arrived on the UP and were handed over to the IAIS at Des Moines for the trip east into Silvis.

[blhanel]

Not with Ed's Dodge Magnum in the shot...