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Posted by passengerfan on Saturday, May 24, 2008 11:13 AM

Thx KP

I just bought a new Canon SLR with a couple of extra zoom lenses and am anxious to try it out. Thought I would give Tehachapi a try this weekend as I have to work today. Maybe watching and photgraphing the track realighment on the July 4th weekend might not be such a bad idea after all.

I only hope to come close to your photography it has been great, I have enjoyed all of the updates and look forward to your future photo endeavours .

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Saturday, May 24, 2008 10:45 AM
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Thanks for the latest photos on Cajon Triple tracking. I was planning on going their this weekend but guess I will wait for July 4th instead.

Passengerfan:

If you are thinking about visiting on July 4, be mindful that Cajon Pass is normally dead as can be on THAT holiday, as it usually is on big holidays.  If BNSF finally gets the third track laid, the dead July 4 holiday would be an excellent time to change the track alignments.  While the photo below was posted previously, one can discern from it just how big that quick re-alignment project will be

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Saturday, May 24, 2008 10:03 AM
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I have a question, what kind of camera and lens are you using for most of your shots ?

Al - in - Stockton

I've been borrowing my wife's 8 megapixel digital Sony that has some type of zoom capability.  It is hardly a Hasselblad or Nikon, both of which I've owned in the ancient past.

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Posted by passengerfan on Saturday, May 24, 2008 9:01 AM

Thanks for the latest photos on Cajon Triple tracking. I was planning on going their this weekend but guess I will wait for July 4th instead.

I have a question, what kind of camera and lens are you using for most of your shots ?

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Saturday, May 24, 2008 7:43 AM

Update as of May 23, 2008:

Cantilevered bridge part of signal structure has been attached after being transported from Cajon to Blue Cut

The old and new signals are nearly a quarter mile apart.  Also, note the difference in retaining wall textures

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Posted by Modelcar on Monday, May 19, 2008 3:07 PM

....Appreciate the photo update.

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Posted by garyla on Monday, May 19, 2008 1:25 PM

Thanks again, K.P.!  More nice work.

As for new CWR awaiting installation, I saw a load parked up in Victorville last week, near the bulk oil dealer.  Maybe that's for this project also.

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Monday, May 19, 2008 1:06 PM

As of May 18, 2008:

At CP Walker, the eastbound LEFT signal units had been turned away for months ...

But now ... Those "turned away" signals are facing forward and are alive, even though they govern no laid track yet.  Somewhere in the vicinity of the camera, it is believed the visible present in use track will be alignment shifted to be associated with the left set of signals

Adjacent State Route 138 and the Mormon Rocks.   The new additional track's bridge has been finished for several months now, and still is waiting for track laying.  The bridge behind it probably dates to 1913, ninety-five years ago, when the Cajon-Summit segment was double-tracked

State Route 138 highway overpass supports.  Is the solid extra concrete work to help prevent key support structure damage and/or bridge collapse in the event of a train derailment?

The Blue Cut walls are now complete.  Note the roadway's new metal railings

Near Blue Cut, the completed rock cutwork here rises all the way up to the UP main.

Grading here for the new track was completed a number of months ago, and is where the eastbound Keenbrook siding was until 1972 when automatic block signals gave way to CTC.  The dirt road grade crossing where the camera is at still has not been prepared for the third-track.  While the railroad's right-of-way is pretty immune, the vicinity is in a somewhat precarious spot, as the dirt roadway leading to this location often gets washed out during rainstorms and snowmelts.  Interstate 15 is the white slanted line on top left.  The vertical hills-contour-following Cajon Blvd. is in the background just right of the center yellow marker board.

View from Cajon Blvd.  Extensive cutting and wall work for the third track seems complete

The unincorporated community of Devore is at the westbound foot of Cajon Pass.  The third track in this view (top track) was put in a few years ago.  Previously, trains could easily be seen from Cajon Blvd. a few blocks away, but no more.  Massive complexes, such as this very recent one for FedEx, is now blocking the view for train watchers

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Posted by Modelcar on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:48 PM

....Thanks for the update.

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 8:52 AM

FIVE photos taken just railroad east of CP Cajon

Watering the tracks

Measuring and adjusting for correct track position

Occasionally there are contorted equipment positions during adjustments

In this view, note that the rails are NOT connected, but severed where the concrete ties meet the wooden ties.  Such allows track unrestricted movement during repositioning.  The farthest track is a short siding that connects to the main just out of view on the right.  Because tie replacement at turnouts is a time consuming and complicated affair, the wood ties will be replaced later at a more convenient time.  (Click on photo for larger view)

That cantilever signal bridge section on a trailer is still at Cajon (background)

ONE revealing telephoto taken East of Summit:

Welded rail cars in Martinez Spur is a telltale sign that track laying for the third track between Keenbrook and Walker will soon start

 

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Posted by garyla on Friday, May 9, 2008 10:45 AM

Thank you, K. P. Harrier, for the set of photos showing where the third track may continue.  Nice work.

With construction possibly going on and on, this thread may get enough new material to run for several years.  Fun for us railfans to watch!

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Posted by Modelcar on Friday, May 9, 2008 10:32 AM

....Thanks again, for update.

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Posted by CNW 6000 on Friday, May 9, 2008 9:36 AM
Thanks for the excellent photo-documentary of the progress!

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Friday, May 9, 2008 9:03 AM

Update as of May 8, 2008

The support walls and base are in place for relocating Swarthout Canyon Road crossing gate

Looking railroad east at new/old CP Cajon.  New bridge is on left.  In this view, as yet un-laid third track will be on right.

Grading equipment is still present, and will spend the night at Cajon where the 2.2% (left) and 3.0% (right) lines split

Remember this April photo?  At this staging area, note the cantilever signal bridge single-track module in the rear right

The module has now been moved (upper left).  Why?

The Answer:  The module is now on a trailer, and ...

Movement two to three miles to MP 65.0's horizontal support structure must be imminent

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Posted by Modelcar on Thursday, April 24, 2008 3:49 PM

....Again....Thanks for sharing.  Appreciate it very much.

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Thursday, April 24, 2008 8:08 AM

Current happenings as of April 24, 2008:

PHOTO 1:  Blue Cut.  Construction activity continues at mid-left.  New Track 1 bridge is at lower right.  Looking railroad west

PHOTO 2:  The final cantilevered signal upright section has been installed.  Mile Post (M.P.) 65.  Looking railroad east

PHOTO 3:  Swarthout Road grade crossing gate will probably be relocated to between where dark low wall rises briefly and the background roadway on right.  Looking railroad west

PHOTO 4:  A closer view

PHOTO 5:  Looking railroad east by Swarthout Road grade crossing

PHOTO 6:  CP (Control Point) Cajon.  Looking railroad west at new Track 3 bridge

PHOTO 7:  New and old signals.  Looking railroad west

PHOTO 8:  Short track with a future absolute signal

PHOTO 9:  A quarter mile railroad east of Cajon near where the 3.0% Cajon to Summit grade separates away from the ruling 2.2% grade (shown here).  New bridge is for the soon to be laid Track 2                        

PHOTO 10:  Looking eastbound down unto where the old westbound Cajon siding was 40 years ago in Automatic Block Signal days.  It is unknown whether the as yet un-laid Track 3 will follow the old siding alignment or shift over to the present track.  Cement work is from days of old.

PHOTO 11:  Cantilevered signal "sections" here at Cajon proper will be installed between two and three miles to the left, side-attached onto the upright (at M.P. 65) that is depicted in PHOTO 2 above.  In the below foreground, eastbound trains travel photo left to right and out of view swing over the bridge in PHOTO 9, and come back into view on the top center, where they swing to the right again and out of view.   The particular "Mormon Rocks" in the upper background is the site of the many, many published photographs that depict the famous "Sullivan's Curve"

PHOTO 12:  Proof these waiting cantilever sections will be going to M.P. 65 

PHOTO 13:  This "three-track" cantilevered signal bridge is NOT one piece, but is made up of "one-track" and "two-track" sections bolted together

(For those that may not know ... If any photo is too small, merely mouse click on it and it will expand for a better view.).

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Posted by Modelcar on Thursday, April 3, 2008 8:56 PM

.....Enjoyed the construction photos, again....Thanks.

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Posted by passengerfan on Thursday, April 3, 2008 7:10 PM

Sorry I haven't mentioned it before but have really been enjoying the photo's of the changes taking place at Cajon Pass. I can't wait for it to be completed so I can try my new Canon Digital. The camera is complete with tri pod and 300mm zoom lens so should be able to get some fairly decent photos.

So anxious I can hardly contain myself for tax season to be over (taxman) that I am already planning a trip to Tehachapi Loop just to try it out and get my feet wet with the new camera. I only hope to become as skilled as you and your really excellent photos and the story that has accompanied the construction.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, April 3, 2008 7:01 PM

Those "concrete items" look more like prefabricated sections for a grade crossing surface--narrower ones outside the rails, wider ones between the rails.

Nice pix, by the way--can't wait to see it in real life next year!

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Thursday, April 3, 2008 5:49 PM

Railroad west of Cajon

Tracks coming toward camera are coming into Blue Cut

Following shots taken at Blue Cut

Swarthout Canyon Road, looking railroad east

Same grade crossing.  Note new pavement and just put down dividing roadway center.  The yet to be laid third track will be laid where the crossing gate is presently at

Looking railroad west at retaining wall under construction

Same wall as viewed from Cajon Blvd.

Retaining wall construction up close, looking railroad east

View looking railroad west

A few hundred feet railroad west of above shot, view is looking down on grading for third track

Close up.  Are these concrete items for a future cantilevered signal?

View is looking railroad west.  Cajon Blvd. is on far upper left, and the site of the famous lookout where every railfan stops the first time they visit Cajon Pass

A mile railroad west of Blue Cut ...

New as yet to be powered-up cantilevered signal bridge co-exists with in-use old target signals.  On the other side of the tracks was the old Keenbrook siding during Cajon's double-track Automatic Block Signal days.  In 1972, bi-directional CTC and powered crossovers were installed throughout what was then known as the "First District," and the siding was removed. In the late seventies or early eighties, an addition double-crossover was installed two miles railroad west (left) of this picture, and was also named Keenbrook.  The new third track (to be identified as Track 1) will be laid over what was once the Keenbrook siding.  The track in the above background is the ex-SP UP Palmdale Cutoff.

 

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Posted by Modelcar on Sunday, March 30, 2008 9:13 PM

.....Enjoyed the photos....Thanks.

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Sunday, March 30, 2008 9:08 PM

Not in Cajon Pass per se, but on the western approach to the pass, at Ono, is a new University Parkway roadway bridge that was one of California Department of Transportation's (Caltrans') most wanted items.

Looking east (westbound, to the right) at old cantilevered signals.  The tri-light signals that pointed the other way on this signal bridge were removed.

Looking west (eastbound, to the left), a new cantilevered bridge was erected and signal are now unobstructed for trains heading up to Cajon Pass.  From left to right, are signals for Tracks 1 and 2.  Track 3 signals are probably a half a mile beyond what the camera sees.

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Sunday, March 30, 2008 9:02 PM
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Not to get too far ahead of ourselves here, but are there any fresh rumors that the third-tracking will next be extended beyond Summit to somewhere in Hesperia?

Garyla et al:

Reference further triple-tracking east of Summit, I know of no rumors, but examine the following photos ...

Between Summit and Lugo:  Photo looks westbound toward Summit, and at triple-track.  Paved road on left is Summit Valley Road.  Cleared right-of-way on right seems wide enough for eight tracks!  At top right, the severe-looking grade is the old Summit track alignment, changed in 1972.  Since 1972, the old right-of-way had a remaining track on it called Martinez Spur.  It is unknown if it still is in place or not.

Note two types of signals (tri-lights and targets) midway (where three-tracks become two) between Summit and Lugo .  That the old targets remain tells this forum contributor that three tracks will eventually be extended east (to the right) to at least Lugo, but extension all the way to Hesperia or Victorville is likely.

From same location as the first photo, third photo looks eastbound at the now two-track line.  Note wide, cleared right-of-way, camera side of tracks.

Between Lugo and Hesperia:  Again, note wide, cleared right-of-way camera side of tracks.

Main Street overpass in Hesperia, looking south, or westbound.  Note cement work that would hinder laying a third track.

Hesperia.  No grading.

Hesperia, near Victorville, where the M.P. 42.9.detector is located.  Graded area is present

My personal conclusions:  The large, cleared right-of-way near Summit may be a fire break for the well known severe fire hazard area.  Other cleared areas may be merely for maintenance roads, OR grading as time permits (i.e., when workers have nothing more pressing to do) for an anticipated possible future third-track.  The present 2007-2008 Keenbrook to Summit construction project seemed to have been mobilized quickly after an Environmental Impact Report (EIR) was OK'ed by government authorities.  Nothing new may happen until a Summit eastward study (if required) is completed and the subsequent EIR OK'ed.

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Posted by SleeperN06 on Saturday, March 22, 2008 9:13 PM

Wow! Great photos, I live and work near this area and this is so much more than I can see from the road. Thanks for sharing, Warren. I don't know why I didn't notice this thread earlier.Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by Modelcar on Saturday, March 22, 2008 7:12 AM

.....What an immense amount of earth and rock they have moved and are moving to make all this relocation and addition happen...!

Thanks for photos again Warren.

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Posted by Warren Smith on Friday, March 21, 2008 11:50 PM

Here are some shots from a high enough perspective to show both tunnels.  Traffic is now on the shoofly ...

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Posted by garyla on Friday, March 21, 2008 4:36 PM

Thanks for the heads-up, Bruce. 

That ought to be enough extra trackage to help get another long eastbound train up over the peak elevation before merging onto the one eastbound main line.

 

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Posted by Bruce Kelly on Friday, March 21, 2008 9:30 AM
garyla: A few years ago, BNSF laid what amounts to a long siding along the north side of Main 1 from Summit east a few miles to CP Martinez. At least that's the name I recall; been a couple years since I was last there. Not to be confused with the long Martinez Spur, essentially a piece of the old ATSF main line that was left in place when Santa Fe did its big Summit line change back in the 1970s. BNSF's 3rd main track will tie in with that long siding at Summit.
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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Friday, March 21, 2008 7:19 AM

The following pictures were NOT taken by myself, but acquired through sources:

The new Walker crossovers as viewed from the west end.

The new intermediate signals between Walker and Silverwood.

Four notes about the TOP photo:

(1) With the installation of this new Walker crossovers location, the signals in the background were initially two new poled signals, but a cantilevered bridge soon replaced them.

(2) The control point alignment is on an almost east-west axis.

(3) The new second track from Cajon to Walker has not been laid yet.

(4) As shown in this view, the alignment of the new track will be on the left.  However, within a half mile behind the photographer the alignment switches and will be on the right.

Two notes about the LOWER photo:

(1) Most new signal arrangements on Cajon Pass are of the cantilevered type.  This signal structure is nonconforming.   The bridge for this newly TWO-tracked section is designed for THREE tracks.  Is it possible a long transfer track will be installed here so southbound UP trains from Palmdale and Hiland will be able to move onto the westbound BNSF and vice-versa?

(2) This signal bridge appears to be the same one that was recently taken down at the west end of Daggett (not West Daggett).  Note the black paint where the signal units are at, a characteristic of premerger AT&SF signal bridges erected 15 years ago.  If it is in fact that bridge, the old target units were replaced by new tri-lights.

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Posted by garyla on Wednesday, March 19, 2008 4:55 PM

Not to get too far ahead of ourselves here, but are there any fresh rumors that the third-tracking will next be extended beyond Summit to somewhere in Hesperia?

 

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