vsmithIs common sense dead in America?, Was Mike Judge right in his latest film? Are we truely on our way from Democracy to Idiocracy?
Yes Vsmith, common sense is dead, (When we need to warn of the obvious (Power lines may be dangerous), then we're screwed.)
vsmith are there not NO TRESPASSING signs
Yes but there are no "High Voltage" signs attached every 3 feet to warn people who shouldn't be there in the first place.
I'm tempted to help Amtrak and NS out and Help them Educate the general public that overhead power lines for trains are very dangerous. With a little help from the UK.
(The sign w/ the arrow for on the poles and edge of yards, the 'double flash symbol' for next to wires on poles (the cross arms), and "Live rails" in 3 rail equipped zones. (Obviously we leave the signs to be mounted next to the wires to the rail fans who also work for the railroad, to post when on duty.)Coming soon to a rail line near you: MODERNIZATION! The new fight against railfans and Trespassers alike. Tagline: "What happens when the lawsuits need to stop?"Opening sometime in the near future.
It's inevitable.
(Signs are from Railway Signs and Signals of Great Britain, under Section 18: Signs in Electrified Areas)
mudchickenIT'S NOT THE VOLTS, IT'S THE AMPS THAT KILLS YA!
And, it depends upon where it travels--if it goes through you, you may well die; if it goes over your skin, you may be shocked or burned. I have understood that high frequency current tends to travel on the surface, and not through the interior. Put a couple of Edison cells, a spark coil, a fluorescent tube, and several people holding hands to complete the circuit: the fluorescent tube lights up nicely, and the people in the circuit are calm until one loosens his grip and the current has to jump across a gap.
Johnny
I didn't read it all, but here are a couple things I picked up on. About teh award, the guys should have been given Darwin awards. Too bad they survived. I hope the railroads will consider making such places more dangerous (yes, that's right), so it kills the idiots who do stupid stuff like that. Then again, maintenance would be afraid to go to work, and for good reason, so there goes that idea. This kinda reminds me of the lady railfan who stood on the tracks to take a picture, got hit by a choo-choo, and sued the railroad for running trains on its tracks. The engineer shouldn't have hit the brakes (I assume he did-the article didn't specify).
Now about the apparent flamer, I have not been reading any other posts by him, so I don't know the backstory, but I hear he may have been trouble in the past for you guys. Typing any post in all caps is a bad idea, no matter what, but I'm nto sure about teh rest of the violations on him, though this is based from reading that one post. The Jew comment wasn't very good. As for the terrorist comment, it's possible the MOW worker was just playing with him (a lot of those guys will do that...you don't have a clue how many terrorist comments I've gotten myself for having pictures with the power plant in teh background, along with all the wonderful ideas of what the workers wanted to do with me). Of course, the MOW guy could have been just as dumb and really wondered if he was a terrorist, but we have no way of knowing. As for the language, usually, something like "F*CK" isn't a censor bypass, but direct censoring by the user (mostly unaware of forums' preexisting censoring). Remember that not all forums have censoring, and different ones allow certain words others don't (notice that his second censored word was one he thought was normally allowed, and made no attempt to censor himself). Not censor bypassing, IMO, though the language could have been a little better.
This sort of sounds like creating an situation that does not exist, reminds me of the guy sitting on a chair beside the tracks, when questioned what he was doing, he said he was appointed the job to keep elephants away from the train tracks, the other chap said "but I don't see any elephants" the reply was " well, it must be working eh ! "
Mike Balla jrYes Vsmith, common sense is dead, (When we need to warn of the obvious (Power lines may be dangerous), then we're screwed.)
Yes common sense is dead but on occasion reality brings it back to life. Remember when McDonalds got sued and lost because of the hot coffee that a customer spilled on herself and got burnt. Now coffee cups everywhere warn us that its hot. Common sense eventually rose from the grave as this award was overturned. I think the original award was 21 million. Now, with these brain surgeons, did they ever climb telephone poles in their neighborhood? I doubt it, common sense said that it was dangerous. Common sense says playing on railroad equipment is dangerous. Playing on tracks with high speed trains is dangerous. Lets just hope that common sense once again rises from the grave and NS and Amtrak are exonerated in their appeal.
As to the foul mouth's earlier post and the one week suspension, he warranted permanent removal and nothing less. That "person" is no railfan!
Award was not overturned; it was reduced by the trial judge to $640,000 prior to an appeal being filed. Award was $2.86 million not $21 million. Parties settled out of court. Original plaintiff's request to McDonalds was $20,000. McDonald's offered $800. Settlement was less than $640,000 but has not been disclosed.
RWM
you know something? when 9/11 first happened one of the first comments i ever posted online was whether or not the govt and/or railroads will begin patrolling ports/railyards more aggressively. THe conventional wisdom back then was that the next terrorist attack was going to come from within. I still believethat thatis possible. Have u seen the graphitti on these freightcars lately? If someone has time to paint a portrait of george w. bush with almost picture-perfect quality (as seen on a CSX train boxcar recently in FLA), there is plenty of time to sabotage freightcars carying dangerous chemicals. Who's REALLY S inspecting all those millions of containers that pass through our country? It's not just the RR that needs to be involved. This is where homeland security dollars need to go, not into airport security frauds that let people sneakj through with knives, paper cutters , and such(geez, next time they'll build stealth bombers THAT GET SHOT DOWN (oops, did i just say that))? Get a grip, my beloved u.s.a.....
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